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Post-Game Notes: BOS 114, MIA 117 (0-1)

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Re: Post-Game Notes: BOS 114, MIA 117 (0-1) 

Post#161 » by nic4747 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:12 am

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bisme37 wrote:I'm not excusing all of Kemba's suckitude but I swear those slippery courts are throwing him off a lot. When he drives and goes into his step back or change of direction his feet don't seem to be gripping the court as well as usual and it's making him uncomfortable. He relies on shiftiness to get his shots off.

Are these courts being greased or something?

It's odd.

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I didn't see as much slipping tonight compared to the Toronto series, but you might be on to something. Kemba does rely on his ability to stop on a dime to get his shot off. It looked like he was getting better as the game progressed so I'm hoping he has a big comeback in game 2.
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Post#162 » by The Corey's » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:12 am

The Comedian wrote:The offense late was just so gross, no movement, no misdirection. It’s tough to ask guys to continually go iso 50 minutes into a game, and expect them to be efficient with it.


Im finding the lack of creativity on both ends of the floor disturbing.

The Celtics offense is literally coming down to shoot and jack a 3. If we have a good night we win if we dont we stuggle.

Smart isnt going to go ham like that again this series and without him tonight then we were in a ton of trouble.
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Re: Post-Game Notes: BOS 114, MIA 117 (0-1) 

Post#163 » by TheMartian » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:13 am

Gotta tip your hat to the Heat, they made the bigger plays down the stretch. Interested to see what adjustments Stevens makes for game 2.
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Re: Post-Game Notes: BOS 114, MIA 117 (0-1) 

Post#164 » by The Corey's » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:13 am

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bisme37 wrote:I'm not excusing all of Kemba's suckitude but I swear those slippery courts are throwing him off a lot. When he drives and goes into his step back or change of direction his feet don't seem to be gripping the court as well as usual and it's making him uncomfortable. He relies on shiftiness to get his shots off.

Are these courts being greased or something?

It's odd.

:-?

I miss the TD Garden. :(



I didn't see as much slipping tonight compared to the Toronto series, but you might be on to something. Kemba does rely on his ability to stop on a dime to get his shot off. It looked like he was getting better as the game progressed so I'm hoping he has a big comeback in game 2.


Everyone is playing on the same court and dont forget that Butler got a **** rebound while laying on his ass.

Its inexcusable. Get better sneakers if your kicks dont tread.
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Post#165 » by djFan71 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:13 am

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Brad trusts his players too much. He won't take over like he did in his early days. Just chalk it up to Tatum's continuing growth as a primary. Oh well.

Can't lose three more games, if my math is correct.

The last drive was great, though. Other than an otherworldly block, we’re singin Tatum’s superstar mentality, not getting down after the misses, etc.

That said, I totally agree on plays vs iso.
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Post#166 » by jfs1000d » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:14 am

CelticsPride18 wrote:Not making excuses for Kemba but his burst doesn’t look good. He looks slow sometimes.

He clearly is lacking some explosiveness. Even his dribbling isn’t tight right now. They got to run him off screens.

And enough with the damn late game ISO’s. Just awful.


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Post#167 » by SichtingLives » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:15 am

soxfan2003 wrote:Many people got on K Walker in the game threads.. I don't think that is really fair.. Recently, he hasn't shot as well and he normally does but he is facing tougher defense and he is willing to take shots at end of quarters that usually hurt your FG%. And Walker is making mostly good decisions and playing reasonably hard on both ends. As a fan I feel that is all one can ask for.

Ainge's biggest weakness as gm is being too infatuated with weak defenders at PGs that are undersized like Iverson (reported tried to trade for him), IT, Kyrie Irving and now K Walker. On defense Walker is one to two levels up from IT since he is bigger but he still compromises the defense against elite competition for him to be worthy of a max/near max deal. Kyrie Irving isn't even that short but he plays more like a small PG.

These guards all work reasonably well during regular season. But usually they are bad investments at max money if you want to win a championship.

Some will counter and say Steph Curry is clearly a bargain at max money. Not only is he 6"3 and arguably greatest shooter in NBA history but Steph Curry is super strong so even Lebron James in the NBA Finals was reluctant to try to back him down.

Honestly, if fans are ever frustrated with K Walker in this series, blame Danny Ainge/maybe Stevens and not K Walker. If you are going to succeed with a small PG, against truly elite competition you usually need other players to make up for it. SAS won with Avery Johnson and even Tony Parker but they were usually a huge team elsewhere to make up for it and neither of those PGs made the max. Duncan after all often played PF. They even had lineups with Duncan at PF and Leonard at SF. Duncan/Robinson.

Toronto won with Lowry but he makes up for his relative lack of height with a lot of strength and savvy. And Toronto with Gasol/Siakam/Leonard had a big front court.

Rajon Rondo may have been skinny but he is super long and athletic so he hardly fit the mold of undersized PG. Rondo also taller.


This is all dead on. Kemba's offensive woes are problematic but the Heat were attacking, abusing and switching onto him on defense all night and that is probably a bigger issue. Was just going to say that for an organization that values defensivel versatility so much it's odd that we have run a never ending string of defensively weak and/or under-sized pg's under Brad. It's almost like thats the one position we sacrifice the D for O so if the O isn't there...kinda gotta have the balls to keep the guy on a short leash, which Brad doesn't.

Also, I don't think it was perfectly apparent that Smart was the full-time answer at PG at the time we extended him, but he has made it apparent since then.
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Re: Post-Game Notes: BOS 114, MIA 117 (0-1) 

Post#168 » by Romeiro Celtic » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:15 am

It's really disappointing how Kemba has been playing since the Toronto series, I feel like he's totally scared of being aggressive and screw up, but he is completly killing us with his play. He need to get his **** together and step up, Tatum can't be carrying the load all the time, Smart has his flaws and Jaylen likes to disappear sometimes. Kemba was such a great leader through all season, he needs to be that leader now.
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Post#169 » by Green89 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:16 am

Does Brad defer to the players because his biggest weakness is calling offensive sets?
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Post#170 » by Ill News » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:16 am

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Green89 wrote:Someone needs to ask Brad why Kemba was on Butler nearly every play in the fourth and overtime.


Probably the same reason why Kemba was on Lowry for most of Game 6.

The Heat were targeting Kemba on offense every damn time in the clutch. Can't fault him for being small, but man, he was a liability out there. Couple that with his offensive woes and it was a miracle we only lost by 3.
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Re: Post-Game Notes: BOS 114, MIA 117 (0-1) 

Post#171 » by Ben-N1ce » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:16 am

People are acting like the Heat aren't good. They steamrolled the Bucks minus a supernova game from Middleton. I don't think anything less than B+ wins any game. Celtics played pretty good and it wasn't enough.
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Post#172 » by ConstableGeneva » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:17 am

Silver lining: Kemba isn't blaming his teammates and throwing his coach under the bus. Step up from last season lol.
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Post#173 » by Green89 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:17 am

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CelticsPride18 wrote:Not making excuses for Kemba but his burst doesn’t look good. He looks slow sometimes.

He clearly is lacking some explosiveness. Even his dribbling isn’t tight right now. They got to run him off screens.

And enough with the damn late game ISO’s. Just awful.


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The fact he kept backward dribbling to the half court line didn't help matters.
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Post#174 » by K For Three » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:18 am

At least the Pats beat Miami.

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Post#175 » by MagicBagley18 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:18 am

In games where smart is carrying us offensively as the number 1 or number 2 scorer I always get nervous. That’s not a knock on him- it just usually means that kemba or brown or someone else is off and will potentially be off all game or get complacent/lost on offense.


It’s a catch 22 bc you need him to stay in games like that and get a lead or keep it close but it’s usually at the expense of someone whose more of a creator. I like smart being on and hitting shots of course but it’s better when he’s in the 15-18 point range, knocking down shots and getting buckets off turnovers or cuts more than games where he’s looking to score.

I know he hit like 6 3s but I just always think it evens out in games where he’s carrying a heavy load offensively for us
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Re: Post-Game Notes: BOS 114, MIA 117 (0-1) 

Post#176 » by Triple7 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:18 am

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No kidding and we're **** unhappy with that iso 3 ball by Tatum. How the hell did he design that play? :banghead:


That iso by Kemba getting blocked was worse. :banghead:

The worst part was why isn’t he taking the pull up jumper.


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Exactly! Wtf did he plan to do there anyways? Did he expect to drive and score on that play? I agree, he should have tried to do a pull up J, if it’s not there, then pass the ball early. Instead of just running the clock and taking a terrible shot. I’m sick of our iso ball, and Tatum and Kemba taking turns at it.
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Post#177 » by Green89 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:18 am

ConstableGeneva wrote:Silver lining: Kemba isn't blaming his teammates and throwing his coach under the bus. Step up from last season lol.


He knows Real Gm has that covered. 8-)
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Post#178 » by bucknersrevenge » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:18 am

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SichtingLives wrote:For me this whole series comes down to Kemba (disregarding Hayward). If this is as good as he's gonna be we won't win. If he is all-star Kemba I don't think Miami has enough firepower to overcome it. But I am also of the opinion he is physically compromised and they just don't want to say it.

I like the kids game but with his knee appearing to be more and more problematic, looks like we bought a lemon.


I really don’t think it’s the knee....a lot of his shots are looks he routinely makes and knocks down. He’s just missing and then pressing. he just hasn’t consistently stepped up to the level of competition at this level and he’s been schemed out.

He had a few 3s tonight that should have been knockdown and a few other possessions where he got to his spot off the dribble but it’s not falling.


I think it might be the knee too. He looks wobbly on drives, routinely, but uncharacteristically, loses his handle all too frequently. There is is zero explosion on drives anymore and I think it's because he cannot drive off of that knee. He doesn't explode for layups. He looks slow. He's giving up the ball to Smart for HIM to drive. Let that sink in for a second. He's giving up the ball so that someone else can make the play. He is passive with the ball and I think it's because he knows that something is wrong.
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Re: Post-Game Notes: BOS 114, MIA 117 (0-1) 

Post#179 » by TheMartian » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:19 am

Is this the first loss in those black jerseys? So the magic isn't in those jerseys, eh? Enough with the stupid superstition ish and just play better.

BTW, team still hasn't figured out the zone and we're in the ECF now. That's on the coach.
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Post#180 » by K For Three » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:19 am

ConstableGeneva wrote:Silver lining: Kemba isn't blaming his teammates and throwing his coach under the bus. Step up from last season lol.

Honestly, he had a really great game vs. Toronto in game 3 and somehow the Celtics vomited all over themselves and then lost with .5 seconds.
Since then he seems to be a bit spooked.

Then again they are also in a pandemic bubble and 200,000 Americans just died and Florida is really a mess IMO. So I wouldn't want to personally be there lol.

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