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Post#401 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:30 pm

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TheNetsFan wrote:"Small Ball" is a terrible misnomer. Bosh was 6'11". Lebron is 6'9" and built like a truck. That's playing big men with traditionally small men skills, not playing small men at big man positions.


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Even saying that the Lakers "went small" is false. AD and Lebron are big as hell. Robert Covington and PJ Tucker were getting mauled out there.

Playing your 5 most skilled guys to close out the 4th is fine. Playing undersized for 4 quarters is a losing strategy. All you're doing is allowing for the opponent to get lay ups and offensive rebounds.

Everyone should have seen Houston get taken to 7 games by OKC and known what was coming.

It is not a terrible misnomer. Around 2010 almost every team had 2 big men that played back to the basket ball. Lakers had the twin towers Pau and Bynum and then Dwight. Celtics had KG and Perkins etc... These were the typical types of big men each team had. Bosh was a PF his whole career than was converted into playing center in miami and Lebron was a 3 playing the 4 or Shane batter was a 3 playing the 4. This wasn't typical at that time which is why I believe they started the trend of small ball.

It's not just about height. Doesn't matter how tall Bosh is/was , he wasn't big or strong enough to bang around with guys like Bynum, Perkins, Chandler at first. I remember around that time he had to gain alot of weight in the summer to handle the 5. Lebron just happen to be a freak that can play every position like Magic Johnson. You guys are just thinking about the Rockets taking it to the extreme and ya think that's the only definition of small ball but it's not.

GS had KD playing the 4 or 5 as a 7 footer and that was/is still considered small ball. Doesn't matter how tall he is, would you want KD playing the 5 the whole game? Exactly. But if he played the 5 for one minute you would consider that being small ball.

EDIT: Now that I think of it, I think the D'Atoni's Suns might have actually started this trend. Remember the Suns had Stoudemire playing the 5 and Marion playing the 4. STAT was 6'11 which is a typical center height in todays game but at the time everybody called it small ball because he was a natural PF for that time. Matrix was about 6'8 SF playing the 4 , it sounds like a typical height for the 4 now but at that time it wasn't, hence playing small.

And then after them I guess you can consider the Van Gundy Orlando Magics. Dwight was a legit center at 6'11. But Rashard lewis was a SF his whole career and Van Gundy converted him to PF. I wouldn't call this small ball really but the idea of a stretch 4 started trending shortly after, and now here we are. These teams played a part of why the NBA is the way it is today.


Yes there are "small ball" line ups where you put your 5 most skilled players on the floor at different points of a game, i.e. Golden State Warriors' death line ups and our soon to be death line ups when we let KD run the 5 in a 5 out.

Then there is playing small by having PJ Tucker playing center at 6'5 because your GM was dumb enough to get rid of all bigs on the roster because D'Antoni doesn't know how to use traditional centers.

But you still need size. You still need that guy that can disrupt the middle and protect the defensive glass. Chandler/Nowitzski, Bosh/Lebron, Duncan/Leonard, Bogut/Green, McGee/Green, Thompson/Love, Gasol/Siakam etc. NBA Champions always have size up front.
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Re: Around the League 2020 Playoffs 

Post#402 » by Papi_swav » Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:48 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:
Thank you!!

Even saying that the Lakers "went small" is false. AD and Lebron are big as hell. Robert Covington and PJ Tucker were getting mauled out there.

Playing your 5 most skilled guys to close out the 4th is fine. Playing undersized for 4 quarters is a losing strategy. All you're doing is allowing for the opponent to get lay ups and offensive rebounds.

Everyone should have seen Houston get taken to 7 games by OKC and known what was coming.

It is not a terrible misnomer. Around 2010 almost every team had 2 big men that played back to the basket ball. Lakers had the twin towers Pau and Bynum and then Dwight. Celtics had KG and Perkins etc... These were the typical types of big men each team had. Bosh was a PF his whole career than was converted into playing center in miami and Lebron was a 3 playing the 4 or Shane batter was a 3 playing the 4. This wasn't typical at that time which is why I believe they started the trend of small ball.

It's not just about height. Doesn't matter how tall Bosh is/was , he wasn't big or strong enough to bang around with guys like Bynum, Perkins, Chandler at first. I remember around that time he had to gain alot of weight in the summer to handle the 5. Lebron just happen to be a freak that can play every position like Magic Johnson. You guys are just thinking about the Rockets taking it to the extreme and ya think that's the only definition of small ball but it's not.

GS had KD playing the 4 or 5 as a 7 footer and that was/is still considered small ball. Doesn't matter how tall he is, would you want KD playing the 5 the whole game? Exactly. But if he played the 5 for one minute you would consider that being small ball.

EDIT: Now that I think of it, I think the D'Atoni's Suns might have actually started this trend. Remember the Suns had Stoudemire playing the 5 and Marion playing the 4. STAT was 6'11 which is a typical center height in todays game but at the time everybody called it small ball because he was a natural PF for that time. Matrix was about 6'8 SF playing the 4 , it sounds like a typical height for the 4 now but at that time it wasn't, hence playing small.

And then after them I guess you can consider the Van Gundy Orlando Magics. Dwight was a legit center at 6'11. But Rashard lewis was a SF his whole career and Van Gundy converted him to PF. I wouldn't call this small ball really but the idea of a stretch 4 started trending shortly after, and now here we are. These teams played a part of why the NBA is the way it is today.


And around that time, when the rest of the NBA was trying to get more shooting on the court and have stretch 4s, Billy King was like "**** that", and got us Gerald Wallace at SF, so that we could have worse spacing while everyone else got better spacing. Everyone else already had shooting at the SF spot, it was therefore pretty unique to play someone who couldn't shoot at SF. See, he was playing chess while everyone else was playing checkers, we just couldn't see it at the time.

And don't forget shortly after that we added an old KG at the 4 along side Brook at the 5. No wonder we got off to a horrible start. Brook wasn't shooting 3s at this time either.
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Re: Around the League 2020 Playoffs 

Post#403 » by Papi_swav » Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:54 pm

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Papi_swav wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Thank you!!

Even saying that the Lakers "went small" is false. AD and Lebron are big as hell. Robert Covington and PJ Tucker were getting mauled out there.

Playing your 5 most skilled guys to close out the 4th is fine. Playing undersized for 4 quarters is a losing strategy. All you're doing is allowing for the opponent to get lay ups and offensive rebounds.

Everyone should have seen Houston get taken to 7 games by OKC and known what was coming.

It is not a terrible misnomer. Around 2010 almost every team had 2 big men that played back to the basket ball. Lakers had the twin towers Pau and Bynum and then Dwight. Celtics had KG and Perkins etc... These were the typical types of big men each team had. Bosh was a PF his whole career than was converted into playing center in miami and Lebron was a 3 playing the 4 or Shane batter was a 3 playing the 4. This wasn't typical at that time which is why I believe they started the trend of small ball.

It's not just about height. Doesn't matter how tall Bosh is/was , he wasn't big or strong enough to bang around with guys like Bynum, Perkins, Chandler at first. I remember around that time he had to gain alot of weight in the summer to handle the 5. Lebron just happen to be a freak that can play every position like Magic Johnson. You guys are just thinking about the Rockets taking it to the extreme and ya think that's the only definition of small ball but it's not.

GS had KD playing the 4 or 5 as a 7 footer and that was/is still considered small ball. Doesn't matter how tall he is, would you want KD playing the 5 the whole game? Exactly. But if he played the 5 for one minute you would consider that being small ball.

EDIT: Now that I think of it, I think the D'Atoni's Suns might have actually started this trend. Remember the Suns had Stoudemire playing the 5 and Marion playing the 4. STAT was 6'11 which is a typical center height in todays game but at the time everybody called it small ball because he was a natural PF for that time. Matrix was about 6'8 SF playing the 4 , it sounds like a typical height for the 4 now but at that time it wasn't, hence playing small.

And then after them I guess you can consider the Van Gundy Orlando Magics. Dwight was a legit center at 6'11. But Rashard lewis was a SF his whole career and Van Gundy converted him to PF. I wouldn't call this small ball really but the idea of a stretch 4 started trending shortly after, and now here we are. These teams played a part of why the NBA is the way it is today.


Yes there are "small ball" line ups where you put your 5 most skilled players on the floor at different points of a game, i.e. Golden State Warriors' death line ups and our soon to be death line ups when we let KD run the 5 in a 5 out.

Then there is playing small by having PJ Tucker playing center at 6'5 because your GM was dumb enough to get rid of all bigs on the roster because D'Antoni doesn't know how to use traditional centers.

But you still need size. You still need that guy that can disrupt the middle and protect the defensive glass. Chandler/Nowitzski, Bosh/Lebron, Duncan/Leonard, Bogut/Green, McGee/Green, Thompson/Love, Gasol/Siakam etc. NBA Champions always have size up front.

Yes this is what I'm saying, I specifically said don't let the Rockets taking it to the extreme make you think this is the only type of small ball. They did too much. I wouldn't make KD play the 5 for 30 minutes even though he's 7 feet. We have our bigs so we're good in that part.

But the point is, we were saying HEAT started the trend but in fact I think Suns started it.
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Re: Around the League 2020 Playoffs 

Post#404 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:28 am

That Bam block on Tatum was the best play of the entire playoffs. HOLY GOD!!!
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Post#405 » by gigantes » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:17 am

MrDollarBills wrote:That Bam block on Tatum was the best play of the entire playoffs. HOLY GOD!!!

Looked like one of those dunks where nothing and nobody was going to stop it, no matter where they might be standing.

Someone could mess up their fingers on the hoop if they got to that a little late.
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Re: Around the League 2020 Playoffs 

Post#406 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:23 am

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MrDollarBills wrote:That Bam block on Tatum was the best play of the entire playoffs. HOLY GOD!!!

Looked like one of those dunks where nothing and nobody was going to stop it, no matter where they might be standing.

Someone could mess up their fingers on the hoop if they got to that a little late.


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Post#407 » by gigantes » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:47 am

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Post#408 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:16 am

gigantes wrote:r/NBA with some more angles:

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Defensive awareness is critical to team defense. Jimmy got beat off the dribble but it looked like he knew he was leading him right into a contested shot. That's exactly the kind of teamwork we need on the Nets if we expect to win a championship. That play is going to burn Tatum all night and tomorrow, I expect him to come out looking for blood in game 2.
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Re: Around the League 2020 Playoffs 

Post#409 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:34 am

AND DOWN GO THE CLIPPERS.

Now let's break down what beat them. #1 Elite offensive guard play by Jamal Murray. #2 wings and forwards that can defend and switch. Look at the putrid shooting stats from the Clippers' superstar wings. Leonard and George both shot sub 30% from the field.

And then obviously, the Joker is a supreme talent, racking up 22 rebs, 13 assists, and 16 points.

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Post#410 » by Papi_swav » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:35 am

Wow I cannot believe Denver beat Clips, that's crazy. Everybody counted the Nuggets out and they pulled off the upset. I don't know whether to put most of the blame on Doc Rivers, PG13 or Kawhi.

I said it before, Denver is one main piece away from becoming a legit threat but they seem like they are already there. Imagine if they upset the Lakers too lol I doubt the NBA would allow that.
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Post#411 » by vincecarter4pres » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:38 am

MrDollarBills wrote:AND DOWN GO THE CLIPPERS.

Now let's break down what beat them. #1 Elite offensive guard play by Jamal Murray. #2 wings and forwards that can defend and switch. Look at the putrid shooting stats from the Clippers' superstar wings. Leonard and George both shot sub 30% from the field.

And then obviously, the Joker is a supreme talent, racking up 22 rebs, 13 assists, and 16 points.

the Nets need to take notes.

Had the Nuggets and the Heat 2nd round for the series, only series I took, holler!
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Post#412 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:41 am

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MrDollarBills wrote:AND DOWN GO THE CLIPPERS.

Now let's break down what beat them. #1 Elite offensive guard play by Jamal Murray. #2 wings and forwards that can defend and switch. Look at the putrid shooting stats from the Clippers' superstar wings. Leonard and George both shot sub 30% from the field.

And then obviously, the Joker is a supreme talent, racking up 22 rebs, 13 assists, and 16 points.

the Nets need to take notes.

Had the Nuggets and the Heat 2nd round for the series, only series I took, holler!


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Post#413 » by vincecarter4pres » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:42 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:AND DOWN GO THE CLIPPERS.

Now let's break down what beat them. #1 Elite offensive guard play by Jamal Murray. #2 wings and forwards that can defend and switch. Look at the putrid shooting stats from the Clippers' superstar wings. Leonard and George both shot sub 30% from the field.

And then obviously, the Joker is a supreme talent, racking up 22 rebs, 13 assists, and 16 points.

the Nets need to take notes.

Had the Nuggets and the Heat 2nd round for the series, only series I took, holler!


well well well!

Wait I lied, I took Houston for the series for $25 to stop myself from betting any of the games in that series individually. :lol:

Legit forgot about that. :lol:
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Post#414 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:43 am

So now the Lakers will have to face Jokic and Murrary. Murray is better than any guard on the Lakers and will Vogel go with a traditional center defense versus Jokic or will he go with Davis on Jokic?

I like Denver's depth in this series.
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Post#415 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:45 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:
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vincecarter4pres wrote:Had the Nuggets and the Heat 2nd round for the series, only series I took, holler!


well well well!

Wait I lied, I took Houston for the series for $25 to stop myself from betting any of the games in that series individually. :lol:

Legit forgot about that. :lol:


I haven't bet in a few weeks tbh, it's hard to call these games.
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Post#416 » by vincecarter4pres » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:47 am

MrDollarBills wrote:So now the Lakers will have to face Jokic and Murrary. Murray is better than any guard on the Lakers and will Vogel go with a traditional center defense versus Jokic or will he go with Davis on Jokic?

I like Denver's depth in this series.

I'm going Denver again, they're going to be like +570.

Homecourt doesn't exist in the bubble and to me Denver is just on a roll. LAL has the 2 best players this series though. I think.

LeBron is still the best player left in the playoffs. You can argue Davis, Murray and Jokic in almost any order right now.

Great hustle and defenders, shooters, they have 2, 3 level scorers, this is going to be a good one.
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Post#417 » by vincecarter4pres » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:50 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
well well well!

Wait I lied, I took Houston for the series for $25 to stop myself from betting any of the games in that series individually. :lol:

Legit forgot about that. :lol:


I haven't bet in a few weeks tbh, it's hard to call these games.

Yeah I've mainly just taken series. I was going to go Heat for the ECF, but they were only +115 and I wasn't overly confident. I would have took them if they were at least like +230.

Made the mistake of betting a bunch of NFL games this past weekend and lost like $200 of what I was up from the Miami series smh!

I got so excited to bet NFL I forgot my rule to never bet more then 1 game a time slot week 1. Hell, I almost always extend that to week 2 as well.
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Post#418 » by Papi_swav » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:57 am

Lakers have their work cut out for them. I don't see this series going less than 6 games. I kinda want the upset but I kinda want LeBron to win because this might be his last one.
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Post#419 » by MGrand15 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:02 am

MrDollarBills wrote:AND DOWN GO THE CLIPPERS.

Now let's break down what beat them. #1 Elite offensive guard play by Jamal Murray. #2 wings and forwards that can defend and switch. Look at the putrid shooting stats from the Clippers' superstar wings. Leonard and George both shot sub 30% from the field.

And then obviously, the Joker is a supreme talent, racking up 22 rebs, 13 assists, and 16 points.

the Nets need to take notes.


Marks has to take notes on the Clippers too.

LA was supremely talented but they felt disjointed all year. Felt like they just took turns scoring. Didn't really like each other. They had so many great scorers and defenders that it didn't matter. I kinda felt like our team next year could be similar talent wise. Kyrie + KD as the main iso scorers like Kawhi + PG. Dinwiddie + LeVert as the bench punch like Lou Will and Montrez. A bunch of good roleplayers surrounding them.

This emphasizes the importance of an actual offensive system, strong chemistry + finding lineups that are playoff ready. We can't just rely on our talent and play straight iso ball.
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Re: Around the League 2020 Playoffs 

Post#420 » by therealbig3 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:12 am

I’m a LeBron homer, so I just have to say: LeBron still sits on the throne as the best in the game.

Really didn’t expect Kawhi to go out that badly, but wow, one of the worst game 7 performances from a player of his caliber I’ve ever seen.

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