ECF: (3) Boston Celtics vs Miami HEAT (5) - Part 2 (2-0 Miami)

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Celtics in 7
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Re: ECF: (3) Boston Celtics vs Miami HEAT (5) - Part 2 (1-0 Miami) 

Post#41 » by AussieCeltic » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:01 am

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CoP wrote:Still hilarious that (some) Heat fans are crying about the refs when they were in the bonus for half of the 4th and shot 12 FTs in the quarter


Being in the bonus for half of the 4th is an automatic ref job in your opinion? Jesus. Tell me which of the fouls that got us there are wrong?

How can you not complain on that Smart flop. It got you to the OT and almost cost us the game.


It wasn’t a flop. Jones runs right through him. Literally. If you want to complain about Walker giving him a little shove then you’d actually have an argument, but not when Jones runs right over him at full speed
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Re: ECF: (3) Boston Celtics vs Miami HEAT (5) - Part 2 (1-0 Miami) 

Post#42 » by AussieCeltic » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:04 am

Syd-TK3 wrote:The heat survived the refs and Smarts token 1 game were he turns into Curry
They in a good spot


He shot 6/13 from 3.

He has shot 6/11 x 2 this playoffs and 5/9 in another game.

When are people going to give him credit that it’s not a “token” game. He’s got one or two more of these this series depending on how far it goes
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Post#43 » by The Corey's » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:05 am

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He had a sick game but I think he's gonna come down to earth shooting wise



Ya. And so isn't crowder. I would know. I had to watch his terrible shot selection in Boston for years.


Miami Crowder ain't Boston Crowder my man. Get used to seeing 3-5 threes from him a game in this series.


You think he didnt jack 5 to 7 a game here?

He can take those all game. Live with the results.
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Post#44 » by Enso » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:28 am

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Hes fine but I dont expect him to be a difference maker, he never was for us.


Yeah you can't really compare him from what 4 years ago ? Different situation.


Yea, hes worse. A journeyman.


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Post#45 » by ejn1214 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:39 am

I don't mind the raptors players but their fans are the worst. I like most of the heat players, and they have no fans. Can I cheer for the heat? Being the 13th fan may help the team.
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Re: ECF: (3) Boston Celtics vs Miami HEAT (5) - Part 2 (1-0 Miami) 

Post#46 » by DrPampiloni » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:58 am

I think Goran Dragic also deserves some praise. He carried the team offensively when nobody else was making shots. Then, at the start of OT, he absolutely masterminded Theis' 6th foul (Theis is really the defensive anchor for the Celtics, +12 in 34 minutes, only Celtic with a positive +-). Jimmy had almost literally zero successful drives to the basket before that.
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Post#47 » by gom » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:28 am

Marcus Smart is a very good player. I understand how some fans don't like him, but he plays his heart out and is not only a shooter and playmaker, his defense is solid too. Finally he has some x-factor, that right-place right-time notion. From a gm perspective he's on an excellent deal until 2022.
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Re: ECF: (3) Boston Celtics vs Miami HEAT (5) - Part 2 (1-0 Miami) 

Post#48 » by fishfuego. » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:33 am

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CoP wrote:Still hilarious that (some) Heat fans are crying about the refs when they were in the bonus for half of the 4th and shot 12 FTs in the quarter


Being in the bonus for half of the 4th is an automatic ref job in your opinion? Jesus. Tell me which of the fouls that got us there are wrong?

How can you not complain on that Smart flop. It got you to the OT and almost cost us the game.

It wasn't so much that it was a flop, but a foul on Boston when J Jones jr was pushed into Smart. Heat should have won in regulation.
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Re: ECF: (3) Boston Celtics vs Miami HEAT (5) - Part 2 (1-0 Miami) 

Post#49 » by FlatearthZorro » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:37 am

We had so many opportunities to win this in regulation and didn't play our game on offense. My takes are:

- Kemba hasn't lived up to his contract so far.
- We should've gotten Jaylen way more involved.
- We should've moved the ball and Brad should've emphasized it instead went iso.
- If Hayward is not back by game 2, he's basically a scratch for the series cause his kid is due somewhere in late September. If he comes back in say game 4, there's a high likelihood of him being gone after that.
- Tatum's last drive was good, but he should've went up with 2 hands in hindsight.
- Heat have a bunch of ways of initiating contact when our guys weren't expecting it and basically weren't doing anything to merit a foul, they should be mindful of that.
- Heat shouldn't complain about the whistles, they legit got the better part of it, easily.

This was a huge waste for us. Let's see how the guys respond.
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Post#50 » by FlatearthZorro » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:41 am

Elnegron wrote:Marcus smart with another gimmick play at the end. You can tel that play they practice it a lot. Run by smart, he slide and then flop. Look for theis to flop in game 2 to get bam in foul trouble because that's 40% of the so call Boston elite defense


Our defense >>>>>> yours. By basically most metrics. Your defense ain't that good, you got a bunch of guys that are easy to exploit, which is admitted by you coach and that zone. You would play man defense, if you could defend us.

Actually Kemba slightly pushed Jones into Smart, Jones extended his hands forward, which he shouldn't have done and that led to the foul.
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PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
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Post#51 » by FlatearthZorro » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:44 am

dean456 wrote:
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He had a sick game but I think he's gonna come down to earth shooting wise



Ya. And so isn't crowder. I would know. I had to watch his terrible shot selection in Boston for years.


Miami Crowder ain't Boston Crowder my man. Get used to seeing 3-5 threes from him a game in this series.


Dude Crowder had his best year in Boston, in which he averaged ~15 pts on around .480 from the field if I'm not mistaking. I dunno what he's averaging for you guys, but we will see how he performs the rest of the way.
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PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
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Re: ECF: (3) Boston Celtics vs Miami HEAT (5) - Part 2 (1-0 Miami) 

Post#52 » by robbie84 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:45 am

Miami played better in the 4th.
They Have some guys with brass balls that shoot with elite confidence and aren't phased by the moment.
Reminds me of when Toronto beat the Celtics in game 6- they just hit tough shot after tough shot.
That's what the playoffs are about.

I still believe that the Celtics are a better team by a decent margin but Miami's 3 point shooting and defense is awesome and could get them the series if they stay hot.
One day Marcus Smart will be defensive player of the year, mark my words.
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Post#53 » by Vlade Divac » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:04 am

It would be so fake if Boston won after Smart’s flop at the end of regulation. How they could not have seen it. Shameful. He better watch next few games - I wish he gets suspended.


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Post#54 » by CoP » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:38 am

iamoti wrote:
CoP wrote:Still hilarious that (some) Heat fans are crying about the refs when they were in the bonus for half of the 4th and shot 12 FTs in the quarter


Being in the bonus for half of the 4th is an automatic ref job in your opinion? Jesus. Tell me which of the fouls that got us there are wrong?

How can you not complain on that Smart flop. It got you to the OT and almost cost us the game.

No, you misunderstood me. I don't think it was a ref job. I'm not interested in debating borderline calls because they usually happen both ways in every game. Crowder getting 3 FTAs on a flailing flop early in the 4th is an example, but it's all good.

It was a great game and I just think it's funny that some Heat fans think the refs were trying to job them when they were in the bonus for half the quarter and shot 12 free throws to 3 for the Celtics.
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Post#55 » by iamoti » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:52 am

FlatearthZorro wrote:We had so many opportunities to win this in regulation and didn't play our game on offense. My takes are:

- Kemba hasn't lived up to his contract so far.
- We should've gotten Jaylen way more involved.
- We should've moved the ball and Brad should've emphasized it instead went iso.
- If Hayward is not back by game 2, he's basically a scratch for the series cause his kid is due somewhere in late September. If he comes back in say game 4, there's a high likelihood of him being gone after that.
- Tatum's last drive was good, but he should've went up with 2 hands in hindsight.
- Heat have a bunch of ways of initiating contact when our guys weren't expecting it and basically weren't doing anything to merit a foul, they should be mindful of that.
- Heat shouldn't complain about the whistles, they legit got the better part of it, easily.

This was a huge waste for us. Let's see how the guys respond.


Please tell me how we easily got the better part of it. I'm so tired of hearing this excuse. I can name you at least 3-4 bad calls in your favor, not to mention the most important call that got you guys to OT. Jones was pushed into Smart who flopped.
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Post#56 » by Dupp » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:03 am

Is smart a 3 and D player now or something
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Post#57 » by FlatearthZorro » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:04 am

iamoti wrote:
FlatearthZorro wrote:We had so many opportunities to win this in regulation and didn't play our game on offense. My takes are:

- Kemba hasn't lived up to his contract so far.
- We should've gotten Jaylen way more involved.
- We should've moved the ball and Brad should've emphasized it instead went iso.
- If Hayward is not back by game 2, he's basically a scratch for the series cause his kid is due somewhere in late September. If he comes back in say game 4, there's a high likelihood of him being gone after that.
- Tatum's last drive was good, but he should've went up with 2 hands in hindsight.
- Heat have a bunch of ways of initiating contact when our guys weren't expecting it and basically weren't doing anything to merit a foul, they should be mindful of that.
- Heat shouldn't complain about the whistles, they legit got the better part of it, easily.

This was a huge waste for us. Let's see how the guys respond.


Please tell me how we easily got the better part of it. I'm so tired of hearing this excuse. I can name you at least 3-4 bad calls in your favor, not to mention the most important call that got you guys to OT. Jones was pushed into Smart who flopped.


Theis got his 5th foul on a call where Adebayo was absolutely holding his jersey. Dragic seemed to be out of bounds on that pass for the easy lay up to Butler(at least that's what I saw, I'll need more angles, but Dragic looked like his left foot was on the line under the basket). The 3 pt foul that Jae got, I don't know who touched him there for it to be a foul. There was literally no contact and he somehow got the call. That's the 3 calls I can remember off the top of my head. You also had a ton more FTs, which I'd always take. I know you'll come back with the Jones foul, but to me he shouldn't have extended both his hands towards Smart, if he didn't do that I doubt that would've been called.
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Post#58 » by RB34 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:08 am

Can we not talk about the Refs, had enough of that from Raptors fans trying to excuse their crap play.

Heat won, they played better when it counted most. C’s gave up two good leads, something we’ve being doing a lot of.
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Post#59 » by iamoti » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:12 am

FlatearthZorro wrote:
iamoti wrote:
FlatearthZorro wrote:We had so many opportunities to win this in regulation and didn't play our game on offense. My takes are:

- Kemba hasn't lived up to his contract so far.
- We should've gotten Jaylen way more involved.
- We should've moved the ball and Brad should've emphasized it instead went iso.
- If Hayward is not back by game 2, he's basically a scratch for the series cause his kid is due somewhere in late September. If he comes back in say game 4, there's a high likelihood of him being gone after that.
- Tatum's last drive was good, but he should've went up with 2 hands in hindsight.
- Heat have a bunch of ways of initiating contact when our guys weren't expecting it and basically weren't doing anything to merit a foul, they should be mindful of that.
- Heat shouldn't complain about the whistles, they legit got the better part of it, easily.

This was a huge waste for us. Let's see how the guys respond.


Please tell me how we easily got the better part of it. I'm so tired of hearing this excuse. I can name you at least 3-4 bad calls in your favor, not to mention the most important call that got you guys to OT. Jones was pushed into Smart who flopped.


Theis got his 5th foul on a call where Adebayo was absolutely holding his jersey. Dragic seemed to be out of bounds on that pass for the easy lay up to Butler(at least that's what I saw, I'll need more angles, but Dragic looked like his left foot was on the line under the basket). The 3 pt foul that Jae got, I don't know who touched him there for it to be a foul. There was literally no contact and he somehow got the call. That's the 3 calls I can remember off the top of my head. You also had a ton more FTs, which I'd always take. I know you'll come back with the Jones foul, but to me he shouldn't have extended both his hands towards Smart, if he didn't do that I doubt that would've been called.


Jones was pushed before "hitting" Smart , check out the play again, it could've been called the other way easily. Smart is a better actor.

You dont have a good angle on that Dragic play , i saw the picture.

I dont remember the 5th on Thies but i remember for sure a play where he clearly fouled Bam and it wasnt called.

I'll give you Jae's that shouldn't have been a 3pt foul but side of bounds instead (don't remember if you guys were in foul trouble or not)

There were bad calls either way and you can argue the most important one was against Miami. It was a hard fought game , any team could've won. Let's not blame the refs.
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Re: ECF: (3) Boston Celtics vs Miami HEAT (5) - Part 2 (1-0 Miami) 

Post#60 » by robbie84 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:35 am

I think both teams got some bad calls...pretty even for most part.
Heat just shot better when it counted.
One day Marcus Smart will be defensive player of the year, mark my words.

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