Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

Papi_swav · Post #1821 » by **Papi_swav** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:25 am

MrDollarBills wrote:If you watched what Bam Adebayo just did to Jason Tatum, this is exactly why valuing going small or devaluing rim defense is asinine. You need interior defense to win in the NBA.

lol dude why do you keep on beating this dead horse. Yes everybody already knows every team needs some size , nobody is saying go full Rockets out there. But more importantly , we need perimeter defense which is something HEAT has alot of and so does Boston, we don't. BAM is pretty much the only rim protector Miami has, Olynk isn't no rim protector. But Bam can also switch to the perimeter and do things offensively that Allen and DJ can't. So bringing Bam into this convo really isn't saying much, the dude is a all around player.

MrDollarBills · Post #1822 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:26 am

DarkXaero wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:If you watched what Bam Adebayo just did to Jason Tatum, this is exactly why valuing going small or devaluing rim defense is asinine. You need interior defense to win in the NBA.
I don't think anyone is saying that we don't need rim protection. But we're an already an above average rim protection team on paper. Not just with Allen, and DJ, but also KD in the fold next year, who did that for Golden State. You also need good perimeter defenders though which we lack.

Agreed. I was just being dismissive of the "league is going to small ball" narrative. Jimmy Butler is an excellent defender and even he needed interior help after Tatum got the edge on him. We definitely need a dog on the perimeter but we need our length and size up front too.

vincecarter4pres · Post #1823 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:18 am

So, cause I can't help myself... :lol:

LeVert
Dinwiddie
Prince
Claxton
'20 1st round pick

for

Paul George

DarkXaero · Post #1824 » by **DarkXaero** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:19 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:So, cause I can't help myself...

LeVert
Dinwiddie
Prince
Claxton
'20 1st round pick

for

Paul George

Lmao, I've thought about it myself but I doubt Clippers look to make a drastic move like that.

vincecarter4pres · Post #1825 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:24 am

DarkXaero wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:So, cause I can't help myself...

LeVert
Dinwiddie
Prince
Claxton
'20 1st round pick

for

Paul George
Lmao, I've thought about it myself but I doubt Clippers look to make a drastic move like that.

Yeah, there's literally no way. The only way they even trade him would be something where he goes to Minny and Beal goes to LAC, or even Giannis, straight up for Harden, something like that.

Imagine they trade him for Harden? The awkward, unhappy reunion that will be in Houston? :lol:

DarkXaero · Post #1826 » by **DarkXaero** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:51 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:So, cause I can't help myself...

LeVert
Dinwiddie
Prince
Claxton
'20 1st round pick

for

Paul George
Lmao, I've thought about it myself but I doubt Clippers look to make a drastic move like that.

Yeah, there's literally no way. The only way they even trade him would be something where he goes to Minny and Beal goes to LAC, or even Giannis, straight up for Harden, something like that.

Imagine they trade him for Harden? The awkward, unhappy reunion that will be in Houston?

I could see George for Beal being a possibility, not sure about Giannis as if Milwaukee trade Giannis, they'll be looking for young assets. Likewise for Houston. With Washington, I'm not sure as they're still either a lotto team or a low playoffs seed with Beal.

ProspectPark · Post #1827 » by **ProspectPark** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:02 am

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GTR11 · Post #1828 » by **GTR11** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:10 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:
GTR11 wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:I don't know what you mean by this.? he just paid Levert to a decent size contract. He also gave Joe Harris and Din a 2nd contract. Not sure what you mean

That was meant to Kamaze and that previous post above.
With the current management I can't recall any transactions being made to move up in a draft. We in win now mode yet I keep seeing people bring up draft as more important than some players. As I explained, win now teams most of the times do not move up in a draft while surrendering their players. Opposite is what happens 99% of the time. In addition to it there's not one sure star player/s that coming out and within our reach.
We have good prospects that still need to be developed and couple picks we have to make our decision with. I get the fact that you never stop building for future and our organization made it clear that it'll be their priority. However how often you see players come in and contribute right away? Barkley was the last one I can recall. Even though it still took him few years to figure it out. Does it make sense to give up Din or LeVert to move up into top seven right now? To me it's laughable at this point.

Wait, Charles **** ing Barkley is the last rookie to come in and contribute right away? Even if we're only talking contenders?

Bruh...

I think we understand word contribute differently. Most of those clown Prok put out there is a joke. PG wasn't ready his first two years either etc.

Prokorov · Post #1829 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:34 pm

Papi_swav wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:If you watched what Bam Adebayo just did to Jason Tatum, this is exactly why valuing going small or devaluing rim defense is asinine. You need interior defense to win in the NBA.

Bam Adebayo is 6'9" and miami also goes small at the 4 spot. This is a really bad example of "why you should go big"

Nycnyc7188 · Post #1830 » by **Nycnyc7188** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:40 pm

Looks like the nerds may finally get the most unnecessary trade the nets may pull smh

Read on Twitter

Prokorov · Post #1831 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:40 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Agreed. I was just being dismissive of the "league is going to small ball" narrative. Jimmy Butler is an excellent defender and even he needed interior help after Tatum got the edge on him. We definitely need a dog on the perimeter but we need our length and size up front too.

The league is going small ball and Miami is a prime example of that.

The Heat dont start a single player over 6'9". their starters are:

6'3"
6'6"
6'7"
6'7"
6'9"

They not only go small at center, they go small at PF. They are all about pace, space, spreading the floor and being able to switch 1 through 5. And really thats the entire league. Rockets take it to an extreme, outside of them the most successful teams go small at the 4 for sure and many at the 5 either full time or for heavy minutes. Even teams that played true bigs heavy in the regular season have glued them to the bench in the post season. Gasol, Kanter, Leonard,...

Lakers are the only team that really goes big 4/5 but they also have Lebron so it kind of makes any strategy work. Jokic is big but he is also a floor spacing point-5.

Prokorov · Post #1832 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:42 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:So, cause I can't help myself...

LeVert
Dinwiddie
Prince
Claxton
'20 1st round pick

for

Paul George

if you want to guarantee no title with KD this is the move to make.

Paul Geroge is the cancer everyone claims Kyrie is. (His old team always does better without him, his new team always comes up short,) and he ALWAYS comes up small late in the playoffs. He is the TMac of this era. Even his D is more reputation than substance at this point in his career

Prokorov · Post #1833 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:50 pm

Nycnyc7188 wrote:Looks like the nerds may finally get the most unnecessary trade the nets may pull smh

Read on Twitter

Please enlighten us on how:

-Adding a 20/8 PG on a team whose star PG is injury prone is "uneccessary"
-Adding an Elite G/W defender on a team that severely lacks defenders is "unnecessary"

Jrue is probably the best fit in the entire league among available FA's/trade targets for this team. Our 2 biggest issues are wing defense and durability of our scorers/offense creators. Jrue is an elite wing defender and a guy who will give you 20ppg in his sleep if one of our stars is down. He keeps us title contenders if Kyrie got hurt. He keeps us afloat if KD missed some time.

And that price is dirt cheap!

Prokorov · Post #1834 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:51 pm

Jrue for Dinwiddie/Allen and filler would be a home effing run:

Kyrie
Harris
Jrue
KD
Jordan

Levert leads the bench unit as a super sub scorer...

Levert
Temple
Musa
Prince
Claxton | MLE | #19

vincecarter4pres · Post #1835 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:53 pm

Prokorov wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:So, cause I can't help myself...

LeVert
Dinwiddie
Prince
Claxton
'20 1st round pick

for

Paul George

if you want to guarantee no title with KD this is the move to make.

Paul Geroge is the cancer everyone claims Kyrie is. (His old team always does better without him, his new team always comes up short,) and he ALWAYS comes up small late in the playoffs. He is the TMac of this era. Even his D is more reputation than substance at this point in his career

That's cold blooded Prok! :lol:

You're probably right though. He's a moody little B Aye as well.

Papi_swav · Post #1836 » by **Papi_swav** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:55 pm

Nycnyc7188 wrote:Looks like the nerds may finally get the most unnecessary trade the nets may pull smh

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We atleast need a center coming back or their 13th pick especially if we're adding Allen and a future 1st. They don't even want their 13th pick anyway.

Nets have to add Prince anyway because the salary does not match. Jrue is making 26M per, Allen and Din equals to 15M. So if it's Din, Allen, Prince, Musa, future 1st , then we should atleast get back Jrue and Hart or Jaxson Hayes along with their 13th pick. That should be a fair trade.

vincecarter4pres · Post #1837 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:08 pm

Papi_swav wrote:
Nycnyc7188 wrote:Looks like the nerds may finally get the most unnecessary trade the nets may pull smh

Read on Twitter

We atleast need a center coming back or their 13th pick especially if we're adding Allen and a future 1st. They don't even want their 13th pick anyway.

Nets have to add Prince anyway because the salary does not match. Jrue is making 26M per, Allen and Din equals to 15M. So if it's Din, Allen, Prince, Musa, future 1st , then we should atleast get back Jrue and Hart or Jaxson Hayes along with their 13th pick. That should be a fair trade.

I don't see it Swav. Prince is a negative, not a positive asset who creates a need for them to incentivize the offer with the 13.

In fact I feel like this might become a 3 or 4 team offer with Allen and/or Dinwiddie going elsewhere to provide either more assets for New Orleans in the form of picks or players on rookie scale, or one established player coming back to them whose team doesn't want Jrue in exchange for said player, and who either we prefer Jrue to, or don't have the package to get.

I could see something somewhat complex, where they combine some of their assets like the 13 and Ball, with Allen and the teen's 1st they get for Dinwiddie, and the better of our future 1st and their's of that draft, sent to Chicago for LaVine.

Hello Brooklyn · Post #1838 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:09 pm

Prokorov wrote:Jrue for Dinwiddie/Allen and filler would be a home effing run:

Kyrie
Harris
Jrue
KD
Jordan

Levert leads the bench unit as a super sub scorer...

Levert
Temple
Musa
Prince
Claxton | MLE | #19

I don't trust the source but this would be a great move.

Getting Jrue without getting rid of Levert would be huge.

We would easily be the best team in the league.

Papi_swav · Post #1839 » by **Papi_swav** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:20 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:
Nycnyc7188 wrote:Looks like the nerds may finally get the most unnecessary trade the nets may pull smh

Read on Twitter

We atleast need a center coming back or their 13th pick especially if we're adding Allen and a future 1st. They don't even want their 13th pick anyway.

Nets have to add Prince anyway because the salary does not match. Jrue is making 26M per, Allen and Din equals to 15M. So if it's Din, Allen, Prince, Musa, future 1st , then we should atleast get back Jrue and Hart or Jaxson Hayes along with their 13th pick. That should be a fair trade.

I don't see it Swav. Prince is a negative, not a positive asset who creates a need for them to incentivize the offer with the 13.

In fact I feel like this might become a 3 or 4 team offer with Allen and/or Dinwiddie going elsewhere to provide either more assets for New Orleans in the form of picks or players on rookie scale, or one established player coming back to them whose team doesn't want Jrue in exchange for said player, and who either we prefer Jrue to, or don't have the package to get.

I could see something somewhat complex, where they combine some of their assets like the 13 and Ball, with Allen and the teen's 1st they get for Dinwiddie, and the better of our future 1st and their's of that draft, sent to Chicago for LaVine.

It's not about Prince impact, if we're trading for Jrue we need Prince's contract to match salary, it's that simple. There are teams that will trade for Prince straight up, he does not have a negative value, he is slightly overpaid but it's nothing serious. The positive value is coming from Dinwiddie, Allen and the future 1st, forget about Prince for now.

I can also see a 3 team trade as well but I hope we get back more than just Jrue.

vincecarter4pres · Post #1840 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:24 pm

Prokorov wrote:Jrue for Dinwiddie/Allen and filler would be a home effing run:

Kyrie
Harris
Jrue
KD
Jordan

Levert leads the bench unit as a super sub scorer...

Levert
Temple
Musa
Prince
Claxton | MLE | #19

I believe you'd see a follow up move here based on who Marks knows behind the scenes who we'll be getting with the MLE as well.

Also remember, even if the deal was only Jrue coming back this way, some combo of Musa, Temple and Prince needs to be added to match salary.

I don't believe Ibaka is going to take that large a paycut to come here for MLE, but we're going to get someone who should make a little more Imho.

But let's say he knows Favors is coming for MLE. Then he would look to trade whoever is left of the SFT, the Salary Filler Trio. :lol:

Like say we have Prince left. Maybe he adds him to Claxton, Rodi and the 19 and adds one established high level player, a 3&D wing type, maybe Dipo or Covington, maybe Aaron Gordon. Or he finds a way to trade up into the top 12 for a solid player and the pick, cause he has a target. Or it's just something more simple like Prince and Rodi for Terrence Ross or Norman Powell.

Or say Marks knows Harkless is coming here for MLE. He has Temple and Musa left of the SFT. He sends Temple, Rodi and the 19 to Chicago for Markkanen or Carter.

I just think there will be one follow up move, whether it's a bigger name or someone undervalued or a surprise guy.