2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome)

[HarthorneWingo]

I prefer not to go down the road you might be inferring. The only fact I know right now is one is a 30 year old mother of a 6 year old boy. If you believe she desreves to die because there are members on that force that are indeed part of a gang...well to put it nicely I can't support that.

I don't think anyone really supports it but some have pointed to it as a reflexive response to the systemic and brutal treatment at the hands of police. If you want to get really basic about, you can look no further than The Bible.

"A man shall reap what he sows."

And my stance go to Derrick Chauvin and do that if you really want the "eye for an eye" approach. Honestly I wouldn't shed a tear, but unless some facts drop that these two officers were specifically involved some sort of incident or criminal activity it just seems like an assassination attempt on two innocent people that for all we know could be upstanding citizens.

I mean wingo you had a group of people outside the hospital chanting "I hope they die". Have we really gotten to that point of no return? But then I see men like Najee Ali and believe there is hope.

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I hear you. I don't condone the act of the perp or the classless chanting of the crowd outside the hospital. But I understand that people who live in neighborhoods where the police have terrorized them have experienced things that most people don't understand. Also, we don't know why the shooter chose these particular officers. Maybe they had done something despicable to this shooter or his family? I don't think we know yet. Police now have to realize that the unions' overzealous support of criminal cops and the militarization of the police has brought about and "us vs. them" problem that has gotten worse. The police are out of control. This is why we need to reform the criminal justice system.

[mpharris36]

I don't think anyone really supports it but some have pointed to it as a reflexive response to the systemic and brutal treatment at the hands of police. If you want to get really basic about, you can look no further than The Bible.

"A man shall reap what he sows."

And my stance go to Derrick Chauvin and do that if you really want the "eye for an eye" approach. Honestly I wouldn't shed a tear, but unless some facts drop that these two officers were specifically involved some sort of incident or criminal activity it just seems like an assassination attempt on two innocent people that for all we know could be upstanding citizens.

I mean wingo you had a group of people outside the hospital chanting "I hope they die". Have we really gotten to that point of no return? But then I see men like Najee Ali and believe there is hope.

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I hear you. I don't condone the act of the perp or the classless chanting of the crowd outside the hospital. But I understand that people who live in neighborhoods where the police have terrorized them have experienced things that most people don't understand. Also, we don't know why the shooter chose these particular officers. Maybe they had done something despicable to this shooter or his family? I don't think we know yet. Police now have to realize that the unions' overzealous support of criminal cops and the militarization of the police has brought about and "us vs. them" problem that has gotten worse. The police are out of control. This is why we need to reform the criminal justice system.

I 100% agree. I am always willing to wait for all the facts.

And I agree there needs to be complete reform and unions are potentially the main issue...because they are so strong and even when you can pin point the awful cops sometimes you can't do anything about it because they have this untouchable bubble around them.

So I am completely with you, the solution by getting rid of them in those areas we need to make sure we have the right ones and better trained ones. Recent studies were done that 81% of black americans want either the same or more levels of policing in there communities because they know the effects of what would happen if the police took a step back and that would be worse.

What needs to be done is more accountability and visability along with significantly more stringent screaning and training process for the people on the force. It isn't an easy job and you have to make split second decisions (outside of that f*cker Chauvin) so we need brighter people and more well trained people in those positions.

I don't claim to have all the answers but I know the road we are going down right now just aint it.

[HarthorneWingo]

Some news on Biden's foreign policy. He calls for increases in our military budget and continuing our military presence in the Middle East. (Links to sources are seen by viewing the original articles.)

https://news.antiwar.com/2020/09/11/biden-says-stay-in-mideast-increase-military-spending/

Biden Says Stay in Mideast, Increase Military Spending
Biden wants refocus on fighting Russia
Jason Ditz Posted on September 11, 2020

Former Vice President Joe Biden gave some of his first foreign policy-related positions in an interview with Stars and Stripes on Thursday, saying the “forever wars have to end” while seemingly ruling out any full-fledged withdrawals, arguing the US still has to worry about terrorism and ISIS.

Biden said the ongoing US wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria are so complicated he can’t promise a withdrawal. He also suggested he may increase military spending even beyond its current record levels as he shifts focus to what he believes should be the military’s priorities.

The priorities, as are so often the case for the US, are fighting Russia, who Biden identified as a “near-peer” power. The US spends more than ten times the amount on its military annually that Russia does, and it is unclear in what way they are a “near-peer.”

Either way, Biden intends to shift the focus toward unmanned drones and cyber-warfare, and suggests that is likely to boil down to not just a shift in where money is spent, but likely an increase in spending as well.

“First thing I’m going to have to do, and I’m not joking: if elected I’m going to have to get on the phone with the heads of state and say America’s back,” Biden said, saying NATO has been “worried as hell about our failure to confront Russia.”

Though the international community has faulted President Trump for being too close with Russia, the fear of that appearance has meant extremely limited diplomacy between the major nuclear powers. Biden’s plans for confrontation seem to offer more of the same, higher record spending, and avoiding peace overtures for fear of not looking sufficiently tough.

[Fury]

thats kinda how I see it. We have riotes all over the place, still dealing with a pandemic, police brutality issues, and someone tried to assassinate two cops in LA the other day but he thinks its time to jam out...it was so cringe. I'm not saying politicains don't pander because they all do...but for the very few times he makes public appereances and they are all so calculated this way the way to come to the podium?

The two cops from the execution squad?

I prefer not to go down the road you might be inferring. The only fact I know right now is one is a 30 year old mother of a 6 year old boy. If you believe she desreves to die because there are members on that force that are indeed part of a gang...well to put it nicely I can't support that.

I don't believe they deserved to die, that's a strawman argument. But any time someone gets killed by a cop or vigilante, there's always a character assassination of said person. I hope you have that same energy for when that happens, especially when comparing the type of things that are being said about these people (executioners) compared to the others (smoked marijuana or some bull).

Anyway, what Biden did doesn't come close to the ignorance of "the other side." We have a president who is going on television telling people cops should be all about retribution and kill people who "deserve" it. You have that same energy for that? Cause it's far worse.

[mpharris36]

The two cops from the execution squad?

I prefer not to go down the road you might be inferring. The only fact I know right now is one is a 30 year old mother of a 6 year old boy. If you believe she desreves to die because there are members on that force that are indeed part of a gang...well to put it nicely I can't support that.

I don't believe they deserved to die, that's a strawman argument. But any time someone gets killed by a cop or vigilante, there's always a character assassination of said person. I hope you have that same energy for when that happens, especially when comparing the type of things that are being said about these people (executioners) compared to the others (smoked marijuana or some bull).

Anyway, what Biden did doesn't come close to the ignorance of "the other side." We have a president who is going on television telling people cops should be all about retribution and kill people who "deserve" it. You have that same energy for that? Cause it's far worse.

I don't how it can be considered a straw man argument when I have seen plenty of people justify it by saying "well this is what happens ect...". You had people show up to the hospital chanting they hope they die and you had people live streaming on the scene excited when the cops were shot instead of trying to help. I am always trying to find out the facts before I judge any situation because ever situation is unique in its own sense. A lot of times people jump to conclusions and that is wrong. That happens on both sides all the time. So I do have the same energy, I don't assume every cop shooting is justified just like I don't assume every cop shooting is negligent with racial intent.

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[Fury]

I prefer not to go down the road you might be inferring. The only fact I know right now is one is a 30 year old mother of a 6 year old boy. If you believe she desreves to die because there are members on that force that are indeed part of a gang...well to put it nicely I can't support that.

I don't believe they deserved to die, that's a strawman argument. But any time someone gets killed by a cop or vigilante, there's always a character assassination of said person. I hope you have that same energy for when that happens, especially when comparing the type of things that are being said about these people (executioners) compared to the others (smoked marijuana or some bull).

Anyway, what Biden did doesn't come close to the ignorance of "the other side." We have a president who is going on television telling people cops should be all about retribution and kill people who "deserve" it. You have that same energy for that? Cause it's far worse.

I don't how it can be considered a straw man argument when I have seen plenty of people justify it by saying "well this is what happens ect...". You had people show up to the hospital chanting they hope they die and you had people live streaming on the scene excited when the cops were shot instead of trying to help. I am always trying to find out the facts before I judge any situation because ever situation is unique in its own sense. A lot of times people jump to conclusions and that is wrong. That happens on both sides all the time. So I do have the same energy, I don't assume every cop shooting is justified just like I don't assume every cop shooting is negligent with racial intent.

It's a strawman because I never said I believe they deserved to die. As far as everything else goes, the fact that you ignore my point about Trump says a lot. "Both sides" aren't on the same moral plane. Stop trying to act like they are.

[mpharris36]

I don't believe they deserved to die, that's a strawman argument. But any time someone gets killed by a cop or vigilante, there's always a character assassination of said person. I hope you have that same energy for when that happens, especially when comparing the type of things that are being said about these people (executioners) compared to the others (smoked marijuana or some bull).

Anyway, what Biden did doesn't come close to the ignorance of "the other side." We have a president who is going on television telling people cops should be all about retribution and kill people who "deserve" it. You have that same energy for that? Cause it's far worse.

I don't how it can be considered a straw man argument when I have seen plenty of people justify it by saying "well this is what happens ect...". You had people show up to the hospital chanting they hope they die and you had people live streaming on the scene excited when the cops were shot instead of trying to help. I am always trying to find out the facts before I judge any situation because ever situation is unique in its own sense. A lot of times people jump to conclusions and that is wrong. That happens on both sides all the time. So I do have the same energy, I don't assume every cop shooting is justified just like I don't assume every cop shooting is negligent with racial intent.

It's a strawman because I never said I believe they deserved to die. As far as everything else goes, the fact that you ignore my point about Trump says a lot. "Both sides" aren't on the same moral plane. Stop trying to act like they are.

The fact I ignored your trump comment is for a reason. Your belief is clearly that trump and anyone who would even consider supporting him is on a lower moral plane then anyone else. At that point what is there to argue you clearly have your mind made up.

[Stannis]

[Fury]

I don't how it can be considered a straw man argument when I have seen plenty of people justify it by saying "well this is what happens ect...". You had people show up to the hospital chanting they hope they die and you had people live streaming on the scene excited when the cops were shot instead of trying to help. I am always trying to find out the facts before I judge any situation because ever situation is unique in its own sense. A lot of times people jump to conclusions and that is wrong. That happens on both sides all the time. So I do have the same energy, I don't assume every cop shooting is justified just like I don't assume every cop shooting is negligent with racial intent.

It's a strawman because I never said I believe they deserved to die. As far as everything else goes, the fact that you ignore my point about Trump says a lot. "Both sides" aren't on the same moral plane. Stop trying to act like they are.

The fact I ignored your trump comment is for a reason. Your belief is clearly that trump and anyone who would even consider supporting him is on a lower moral plane then anyone else. At that point what is there to argue you clearly have your mind made up.

This is true, tho. We don't need to sugarcoat it. After these 4 years, what reason would there be to support him? He's an awful human being and he's not even at least good at the job.

[GONYK]

So after 2 rounds of major pollng, Trump's "Law and Order against the brown people" campaign has resulted in Biden widening his lead in Wisconsin and Minnesota.

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[mpharris36]

It's a strawman because I never said I believe they deserved to die. As far as everything else goes, the fact that you ignore my point about Trump says a lot. "Both sides" aren't on the same moral plane. Stop trying to act like they are.

The fact I ignored your trump comment is for a reason. Your belief is clearly that trump and anyone who would even consider supporting him is on a lower moral plane then anyone else. At that point what is there to argue you clearly have your mind made up.

This is true, tho. We don't need to sugarcoat it. After these 4 years, what reason would there be to support him? He's an awful human being and he's not even at least good at the job.

You are certainly entitled to that opinion.

But you are of the belief that half or nearly half of the country is of lower plane than the other?

I nearly disagree with any socialist ideals but I still wouldn't call any individual having a lower moral plane than me. I have the approach a person is coming from a sincere place that its there opinion that those policies would work when I believe the exact opposite. The great thing about this country is freedom of speech. I might disagree with your political views but that doesn't mean I'm a better person than you or vice versa. Our actions is how I judge peoples character.

[Fury]

The fact I ignored your trump comment is for a reason. Your belief is clearly that trump and anyone who would even consider supporting him is on a lower moral plane then anyone else. At that point what is there to argue you clearly have your mind made up.

This is true, tho. We don't need to sugarcoat it. After these 4 years, what reason would there be to support him? He's an awful human being and he's not even at least good at the job.

So you are of the belief that half or nearly half of the country is of lower plane than the other?

I nearly disagree with any socialist ideals but I still wouldn't call any individual having a lower moral plane than me. I have the approach a person is coming from a sincere place that its there opinion that those policies would work when I believe the exact opposite. The great thing about this country is freedom of speech. I might disagree with your political views but that doesn't mean I'm a better person than you or vice versa. Our actions is how I judge peoples character.

jfc

Trump is a narcissist con-man. Stop trying to rationalize his bull. This has nothing to do with socialist ideas or conservative ideals (that went out the window once Trump took over the party). This is straight up a joke that Trump is a serious candidate in anyone's eyes. And if you think he is, or you continue to rationalize, then you're peddling the destruction of this country. Trump is a piece of **** ****, you don't need to support him.

[mpharris36]

This is true, tho. We don't need to sugarcoat it. After these 4 years, what reason would there be to support him? He's an awful human being and he's not even at least good at the job.

So you are of the belief that half or nearly half of the country is of lower plane than the other?

I nearly disagree with any socialist ideals but I still wouldn't call any individual having a lower moral plane than me. I have the approach a person is coming from a sincere place that its there opinion that those policies would work when I believe the exact opposite. The great thing about this country is freedom of speech. I might disagree with your political views but that doesn't mean I'm a better person than you or vice versa. Our actions is how I judge peoples character.

jfc

Trump is a narcissist con-man. Stop trying to rationalize his bull. This has nothing to do with socialist ideas or conservative ideals (that went out the window once Trump took over the party). This is straight up a joke that Trump is a serious candidate in anyone's eyes. And if you think he is, or you continue to rationalize, then you're peddling the destruction of this country. Trump is a piece of **** ****, you don't need to support him.

Is he an ****? Sure he is. You will get no disagreement from me there. Trump got into office because people were tired of pandering career politicians that did nothing when they got into office. But you and I have a total different understanding of what the destruction of the country looks like.

[Fury]

So you are of the belief that half or nearly half of the country is of lower plane than the other?

I nearly disagree with any socialist ideals but I still wouldn't call any individual having a lower moral plane than me. I have the approach a person is coming from a sincere place that its there opinion that those policies would work when I believe the exact opposite. The great thing about this country is freedom of speech. I might disagree with your political views but that doesn't mean I'm a better person than you or vice versa. Our actions is how I judge peoples character.

jfc

Trump is a narcissist con-man. Stop trying to rationalize his bull. This has nothing to do with socialist ideas or conservative ideals (that went out the window once Trump took over the party). This is straight up a joke that Trump is a serious candidate in anyone's eyes. And if you think he is, or you continue to rationalize, then you're peddling the destruction of this country. Trump is a piece of **** ****, you don't need to support him.

Is he an ****? Sure he is. You will get no disagreement from me there. Trump got into office because people were tired of pandering career politicians that did nothing when they got into office. But you and I have a total different understanding of what the destruction of the country looks like.

Ok. And? What has he done to prove those people right?

[Butch718]

So after 2 rounds of major pollng, Trump's "Law and Order against the brown people" campaign has resulted in Biden widening his lead in Wisconsin and Minnesota.

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The message is resonating with independents and centrist voters.

So he's trying a new tactic by blaming Biden for the country not having a mask mandate.

[mpharris36]

jfc

Trump is a narcissist con-man. Stop trying to rationalize his bull. This has nothing to do with socialist ideas or conservative ideals (that went out the window once Trump took over the party). This is straight up a joke that Trump is a serious candidate in anyone's eyes. And if you think he is, or you continue to rationalize, then you're peddling the destruction of this country. Trump is a piece of **** ****, you don't need to support him.

Is he an ****? Sure he is. You will get no disagreement from me there. Trump got into office because people were tired of pandering career politicians that did nothing when they got into office. But you and I have a total different understanding of what the destruction of the country looks like.

Ok. And? What has he done to prove those people right?

I think the best thing a president can do is make sure the economy is doing well so jobs are available. Being less reliant on gov't aid is a top priority to me.

He had an unemployment rate (pre-pandemic) hovering around 3.5% which is the lowest in a half century. Wages and the market were going up. Trying to become less reliant on imported products from China (lowest amount of $ imported from china since 2013 per the census bureau). This is a big thing to me because we were becoming so reliant on exporting from china and that number has been increasing exponentially nearly every year for the last 30 years. In 2020 we are actually on pace to shatter 2019 import number to be at a decade low number since 2010.

Also just some anecdotal evidence as well, I work in the consumer goods private sector my whole life I have in that span of about 10 years I have worked for 3 different companies. The market was never as robust for many of us as it was in 2019 in terms of step up roles and higher paying jobs.

[Fury]

Is he an ****? Sure he is. You will get no disagreement from me there. Trump got into office because people were tired of pandering career politicians that did nothing when they got into office. But you and I have a total different understanding of what the destruction of the country looks like.

Ok. And? What has he done to prove those people right?

I think the best thing a president can do is make sure the economy is doing well so jobs are available.

He had an unemployment rate (pre-pandemic) hovering around 3.5% which is the lowest in a half century. Wages and the market were going up. Trying to become less reliant on imported products from China (lowest amount of $ imported from china since 2013 per the census bureau). This is a big thing to me because we were becoming so reliant on exporting from china and that number has been increasing exponentially nearly every year for the last 30 years. In 2020 we are actually on pace to shatter 2019 import number to be at a decade low number since 2010.

Also just some anecdotal evidence as well, I work in the consumer goods private sector my whole life I have in that span of about 10 years I have worked for 3 different companies. The market was never as robust for many of us as it was in 2019 in terms of step up roles and higher paying jobs.

An economy he inherited that already had declining unemployment rates. Economic growth was actually slower than Obama's first year, you know, when he took over a country in a recession: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/09/05/trump-obama-economy/

A trade war that has devastated farmers and cost jobs: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2020/08/07/more-pain-than-gain-how-the-us-china-trade-war-hurt-america/

Anything else? Or is a mixed bag economy (that's **** now, maybe Trump should pick himself up by the bootstraps and fix it?) that he inherited at the right time it?

[GONYK]

Get ready for a lot of this in the next 50 days.

The Covid response and racism are emerging as the 2 issues voters are prioritizing the most this election

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[DOT]

Comic get more and more accurate as time goes on