Trade Talk (Part Four)

[Ducklett]

I agree that after the Isaac injury Magic have a reason to not sell low, high, or at all anymore. They need him now. Unless...they have someone in mind in this draft to take those minutes over.

Even if they were shopping him right now, there isn't a chance that 17th pick is the best offer. I am not sure it would be in the top 3 that I have seen other teams' posters suggest on the T&T board.

Out of curiosity do you think your FO would use Gordon to trade up in this draft and what sort of range do you think you could get into if you did?

I'm just wondering if we could Rambis this draft and keep trading down, picking up assets as we go. Like if we did that rumoured 3 team deal with Atl/NY and got down to 6, could we then trade down with say Washington to 9 for some future assets and then flip that to you guys with Johnson for Gordon and 15? We could even cobble together some more salary (or wait until the rookies are signed maybe) and take on an additional contract if you wanted to move them, like Aminu or Ross (not sure how you guys feel about either, just throwing that out there). Or is that not enough value for Gordon in your mind?

Also, what's your opinion on Bamba? Is he a key part of your future or would you be interested in moving him?

At this juncture, we are all over the place from top to bottom. I think they give Bamba until Vuc is too old to be a start and if he isn't a quality starter, that's pretty much it. The metrics have been pretty good as far as showing him being decent to good and he could be a game changer on defense if he can keep the bulk he put on and can recover his stamina post having Covid. A lot of people in Orlando are out on him, but he still has upside for days if he can put it together.

I am sure there may be a trade out there for 15+AG. I would hope that it would be game changing and take us up a tier. In this draft, however, I don't think 9 is much better than 15 because this draft is a total mess. Magic are in prime position at 15 to take whatever "lotto" talent falls out of the lotto. 9 doesn't do enough for me, personally, to change from 15 at the cost of AG.

I am not sure why you think AG isn't worth 17 or 18th pick in this draft. That is totally insane. It just isn't worth trading him if his value is seen as that low. Keep it until the deadline, give him the touches and position he needs to increase his value. Dude is still a top tier wing defender. Look at his stats when he plays defense on Lebron. If I remember ESPN's data on it, only 1 player in NBA history has guarded Lebron better than AG. That is pretty insane.

[KGdaBom]

The Wolves have IMO 3 players that we should really not trade away and 3 we should really try to sign. KAT, D'Lo and Beasley. After them I'm holding out hope that Culver takes a nice step up this year. I think we need Okogie to defend the SF position unless we draft somebody or trade or sign somebody. We need to sign Beasley, Juancho and J Mc. The rest of the players I can take or leave. Naz is kind of nice, but we can do better IMO. Layman is a nice swing forward, but we can do better. Am I forgetting anybody useful? Nowell? I don't think so, but maybe. Vanderbilt is intriguing. Johnson is good, but makes sense to trade him to get somebody younger.

[KGdaBom]

Even if they were shopping him right now, there isn't a chance that 17th pick is the best offer. I am not sure it would be in the top 3 that I have seen other teams' posters suggest on the T&T board.

Out of curiosity do you think your FO would use Gordon to trade up in this draft and what sort of range do you think you could get into if you did?

I'm just wondering if we could Rambis this draft and keep trading down, picking up assets as we go. Like if we did that rumoured 3 team deal with Atl/NY and got down to 6, could we then trade down with say Washington to 9 for some future assets and then flip that to you guys with Johnson for Gordon and 15? We could even cobble together some more salary (or wait until the rookies are signed maybe) and take on an additional contract if you wanted to move them, like Aminu or Ross (not sure how you guys feel about either, just throwing that out there). Or is that not enough value for Gordon in your mind?

Also, what's your opinion on Bamba? Is he a key part of your future or would you be interested in moving him?

At this juncture, we are all over the place from top to bottom. I think they give Bamba until Vuc is too old to be a start and if he isn't a quality starter, that's pretty much it. The metrics have been pretty good as far as showing him being decent to good and he could be a game changer on defense if he can keep the bulk he put on and can recover his stamina post having Covid. A lot of people in Orlando are out on him, but he still has upside for days if he can put it together.

I am sure there may be a trade out there for 15+AG. I would hope that it would be game changing and take us up a tier. In this draft, however, I don't think 9 is much better than 15 because this draft is a total mess. Magic are in prime position at 15 to take whatever "lotto" talent falls out of the lotto. 9 doesn't do enough for me, personally, to change from 15 at the cost of AG.

I am not sure why you think AG isn't worth 17 or 18th pick in this draft. That is totally insane. It just isn't worth trading him if his value is seen as that low. Keep it until the deadline, give him the touches and position he needs to increase his value. Dude is still a top tier wing defender. Look at his stats when he plays defense on Lebron. If I remember ESPN's data on it, only 1 player in NBA history has guarded Lebron better than AG. That is pretty insane.

I think people ridiculously underrate Vuc. I take advantage of that every year in fantasy basketball.

[Ducklett]

Out of curiosity do you think your FO would use Gordon to trade up in this draft and what sort of range do you think you could get into if you did?

I'm just wondering if we could Rambis this draft and keep trading down, picking up assets as we go. Like if we did that rumoured 3 team deal with Atl/NY and got down to 6, could we then trade down with say Washington to 9 for some future assets and then flip that to you guys with Johnson for Gordon and 15? We could even cobble together some more salary (or wait until the rookies are signed maybe) and take on an additional contract if you wanted to move them, like Aminu or Ross (not sure how you guys feel about either, just throwing that out there). Or is that not enough value for Gordon in your mind?

Also, what's your opinion on Bamba? Is he a key part of your future or would you be interested in moving him?

At this juncture, we are all over the place from top to bottom. I think they give Bamba until Vuc is too old to be a start and if he isn't a quality starter, that's pretty much it. The metrics have been pretty good as far as showing him being decent to good and he could be a game changer on defense if he can keep the bulk he put on and can recover his stamina post having Covid. A lot of people in Orlando are out on him, but he still has upside for days if he can put it together.

I am sure there may be a trade out there for 15+AG. I would hope that it would be game changing and take us up a tier. In this draft, however, I don't think 9 is much better than 15 because this draft is a total mess. Magic are in prime position at 15 to take whatever "lotto" talent falls out of the lotto. 9 doesn't do enough for me, personally, to change from 15 at the cost of AG.

I am not sure why you think AG isn't worth 17 or 18th pick in this draft. That is totally insane. It just isn't worth trading him if his value is seen as that low. Keep it until the deadline, give him the touches and position he needs to increase his value. Dude is still a top tier wing defender. Look at his stats when he plays defense on Lebron. If I remember ESPN's data on it, only 1 player in NBA history has guarded Lebron better than AG. That is pretty insane.

I think people ridiculously underrate Vuc. I take advantage of that every year in fantasy basketball.

I agree. I have had my share of hate on Vuc (most of it stimming from his friendship with Evan Fournier costing us games/possessions). Dude is a baller. I think most people sleep on Orlando's talent for some reason. Vuc was doing god's work against the Bucks in the playoffs with AG, Isaac, Bamba, and MCW all injured. We were starting James Ennis and Gary Clark. I'd be shocked if any of you guys on here have even heard of those two.

[KGdaBom]

At this juncture, we are all over the place from top to bottom. I think they give Bamba until Vuc is too old to be a start and if he isn't a quality starter, that's pretty much it. The metrics have been pretty good as far as showing him being decent to good and he could be a game changer on defense if he can keep the bulk he put on and can recover his stamina post having Covid. A lot of people in Orlando are out on him, but he still has upside for days if he can put it together.

I am sure there may be a trade out there for 15+AG. I would hope that it would be game changing and take us up a tier. In this draft, however, I don't think 9 is much better than 15 because this draft is a total mess. Magic are in prime position at 15 to take whatever "lotto" talent falls out of the lotto. 9 doesn't do enough for me, personally, to change from 15 at the cost of AG.

I am not sure why you think AG isn't worth 17 or 18th pick in this draft. That is totally insane. It just isn't worth trading him if his value is seen as that low. Keep it until the deadline, give him the touches and position he needs to increase his value. Dude is still a top tier wing defender. Look at his stats when he plays defense on Lebron. If I remember ESPN's data on it, only 1 player in NBA history has guarded Lebron better than AG. That is pretty insane.

I think people ridiculously underrate Vuc. I take advantage of that every year in fantasy basketball.

I agree. I have had my share of hate on Vuc (most of it stimming from his friendship with Evan Fournier costing us games/possessions). Dude is a baller. I think most people sleep on Orlando's talent for some reason. Vuc was doing god's work against the Bucks in the playoffs with AG, Isaac, Bamba, and MCW all injured. We were starting James Ennis and Gary Clark. I'd be shocked if any of you guys on here have even heard of those two.

I guess you're shocked, because I've heard of them. A decent amount Ennis, Gary Clark I just know the name. I know about nothing of his game.

[shangrila]

Even if they were shopping him right now, there isn't a chance that 17th pick is the best offer. I am not sure it would be in the top 3 that I have seen other teams' posters suggest on the T&T board.

Out of curiosity do you think your FO would use Gordon to trade up in this draft and what sort of range do you think you could get into if you did?

I'm just wondering if we could Rambis this draft and keep trading down, picking up assets as we go. Like if we did that rumoured 3 team deal with Atl/NY and got down to 6, could we then trade down with say Washington to 9 for some future assets and then flip that to you guys with Johnson for Gordon and 15? We could even cobble together some more salary (or wait until the rookies are signed maybe) and take on an additional contract if you wanted to move them, like Aminu or Ross (not sure how you guys feel about either, just throwing that out there). Or is that not enough value for Gordon in your mind?

Also, what's your opinion on Bamba? Is he a key part of your future or would you be interested in moving him?

At this juncture, we are all over the place from top to bottom. I think they give Bamba until Vuc is too old to be a start and if he isn't a quality starter, that's pretty much it. The metrics have been pretty good as far as showing him being decent to good and he could be a game changer on defense if he can keep the bulk he put on and can recover his stamina post having Covid. A lot of people in Orlando are out on him, but he still has upside for days if he can put it together.

I am sure there may be a trade out there for 15+AG. I would hope that it would be game changing and take us up a tier. In this draft, however, I don't think 9 is much better than 15 because this draft is a total mess. Magic are in prime position at 15 to take whatever "lotto" talent falls out of the lotto. 9 doesn't do enough for me, personally, to change from 15 at the cost of AG.

I am not sure why you think AG isn't worth 17 or 18th pick in this draft. That is totally insane. It just isn't worth trading him if his value is seen as that low. Keep it until the deadline, give him the touches and position he needs to increase his value. Dude is still a top tier wing defender. Look at his stats when he plays defense on Lebron. If I remember ESPN's data on it, only 1 player in NBA history has guarded Lebron better than AG. That is pretty insane.

Did you confuse me with somebody else? I never said or even suggested anything like this. Hell, the whole reason I talked about the trade up was because I agree he's worth more than the 17th pick. I'm just not sure he's worth a top 10 pick on his own nor worth trading down from 6 to 15 (hence the added Washington deal to move to 9).

Aside from that thanks for replying. It's always interesting to get outside opinions.

[100proof]

Curious what fans determine the price would be for naz reid.

[shrink]

We aren't trading AG for 17. It isn't going to happen. The Magic would be better off giving AG all of Isaac's minutes at his natural position at the 4 and trading him at the deadline.

I agree that after the Isaac injury Magic have a reason to not sell low, high, or at all anymore. They need him now. Unless...they have someone in mind in this draft to take those minutes over.

Even if they were shopping him right now, there isn't a chance that 17th pick is the best offer. I am not sure it would be in the top 3 that I have seen other teams' posters suggest on the T&T board.

.. and all were voted down as too favorable to ORL.

I don’t blame ORL if they don’t want to trade Gordon now for the #17, but he isn’t doing anything that justifies spending a lottery pick on him. Last year his shooting was miserable, and his best season was five years ago. He’s a third or fourth starter on a successful team.

(And btw, I’m not advocating this because I want to see Gordon in MIN. I am firmly on the record that I don’t. I am just saying this because of all the time I’ve spent on the Trade Board. Personally, I wish Gordon did have the value to bring in a lottery pick, because I want to see the Magic do well, and start a rebuild.)

[KGdaBom]

Curious what fans determine the price would be for naz reid.

Good question. I'd probably let you have him for the #14 pick if Pokusevski is available. You get the more known quantity we get the potentially better player.

[shrink]

Curious what fans determine the price would be for naz reid.

MIN probably values him more than others, and more than they should. He can do what he can do (shoot three’s), but he can’t do what he can’t (like protect the rim).

I think he’s probably only worth an early 2nd (#31-35), and that is mainly because of the fantastic deal he is on. For MIN, I think in terms of trade value, there is not a big gap between

1. Naz Reed
2. Spellman
3. #33

We don’t talk much about Reed’s trade value because we just assume Rosas wants to keep him on that Gupta-deal. In fact, when we added Omari Spellman, we continued to play Reed. Spellman was frustrated, thinking he was the better player and prospect. I can’t say I disagree with him.

[Mattya]

Curious what fans determine the price would be for naz reid.

MIN probably values him more than others, and more than they should.

I think he’s probably only worth an early 2nd (#31-35), and that is mainly because of the fantastic deal he is on. For MIN, I think in terms of trade value, there is not a big gap between

1. Naz Reed
2. Spellman
3. #33

I value Naz a lot more than #33, and #33 more than Spellman.

[KGdaBom]

Curious what fans determine the price would be for naz reid.

MIN probably values him more than others, and more than they should.

I think he’s probably only worth an early 2nd (#31-35), and that is mainly because of the fantastic deal he is on. For MIN, I think in terms of trade value, there is not a big gap between

1. Naz Reed
2. Spellman
3. #33

I guess I overvalue him. He played better and showed more promise than a lot of first round picks. The #14 or no deal. Odds are the player we pick at 14 would not be as good as Naz.

[shrink]

The reason Vucevic doesn’t have much trade value isn’t because he’s a bad player. He’s very good. The problem is that he’s getting paid $25 mil a year for the next three years to play exclusively center. The traditional center position is being devalued in the current NBA, and it is certainly a position that teams don’t want to spend money. Steven Adams wom’t bring back much this summer when OKC tries to trade him, on his contract.

[KGdaBom]

The reason Vucevic doesn’t have much trade value isn’t because he’s a bad player. He’s very good. The problem is that he’s getting paid $25 mil a year for the next three years to play exclusively center. The traditional center position is being devalued in the current NBA, and it is certainly a position that teams don’t want to spend money. Steven Adams wom’t bring back much this summer when OKC tries to trade him, on his contract.

Was anybody talking about his trade value? I was just talking about how good he is. Funny that he's very good, but doesn't have trade value. Isn't he what people want in a Center. Shoots 3s, passes well, blocks shots, rebounds. Maybe he doesn't defend the 3 well. It seems now not only do you have to shoot threes well you have to defend them well and if you don't you're worthless. Nothing else seems to matter. I know this is a bit of an exaggeration, but not even that much.

[shrink]

The reason Vucevic doesn’t have much trade value isn’t because he’s a bad player. He’s very good. The problem is that he’s getting paid $25 mil a year for the next three years to play exclusively center. The traditional center position is being devalued in the current NBA, and it is certainly a position that teams don’t want to spend money. Steven Adams wom’t bring back much this summer when OKC tries to trade him, on his contract.

Was anybody talking about his trade value? I was just talking about how good he is. Funny that he's very good, but doesn't have trade value. Isn't he what people want in a Center. Shoots 3s, passes well, blocks shots, rebounds. Maybe he doesn't defend the 3 well. It seems now not only do you have to shoot threes well you have to defend them well and if you don't you're worthless. Nothing else seems to matter. I know this is a bit of an exaggeration, but not even that much.

I’m not disagreeing with you, but this is the trade thread. I was trying to bring this back on topic, rather than discuss the playing level of non-MIN players here.

[minimus]

My favorite scenario by far.

[KGdaBom]

My favorite scenario by far.

We get the 6th pick. Is that them getting Edwards? So we're giving the #1 pick?

[Klomp]

My favorite scenario by far.

We get the 6th pick. Do we get anything else? What do they get?

Look at the picture.....1 for 6 and DeAndre Hunter.

[KGdaBom]

My favorite scenario by far.

We get the 6th pick. Do we get anything else? What do they get?

Look at the picture.....1 for 6 and DeAndre Hunter.

I did look at the picture. I don't recognize Hunter. It's not a horrible offer. I'd rather get Collins.I wouldn't call it favorite scenario by far. I'd rather do #1 for #5 and Nance. Hunter had a disappointing rookie year. Nance would meet our needs much better.

[Rookie-Mistake]

I doesn't look bad does it.. then having 6, 17 & 33 to play with

My favorite scenario by far.

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