Scoot McGroot wrote:patman66 wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:
If you could combine all those guys into one, no drop off. But it takes 72 minutes a night, as you listed, for them to produce ok numbers in a game that’s only 48 minutes long. And that’s numbers, not even impact.
And if it was so simple to get Bam/Siakam at 14, why don’t teams get them every year? Infinitely rare, not something to just assume will happen.
As for Langford, yeah, he’s an Indiana guy, but he definitely didn’t elicit any warm feelings at IU. He was supposed to be the savior, and is unfairly denigrated for playing through the thumb injury. He’s not Oladipo beloved at all.
What is your issue there are 96 min now between the 4 and the 5. Turner plays 32 and sabonis plays 32 that is 32 more min at the 4 and 5 that will be better than what is is now and Both turner and sabonis are best at the 5, or or are you saying that turner is just as effective playing alongside sabonis as he is when he is manning the pivot.
existing front court total 144 min 48 x 3
Sabonis/Turner/Warren/Doug/Leaf ( now no Holiday he is gone to more money green pastures) vs
Sabonis/Green/Bjelica/Theis/14th pick/Warren/Leaf
And this does not factor in Langford.
yes for the 18 min that turner will play the 5 backing up Sabonis you will see a significant down grade from Turner to theis, but he is good enough to start for the celts and shoot .600 from the field. This isn't mosgov or something.
now at the 18 min turner plays the 4 alongside Sabonis I think the drop off to Green/bjelica is even less than it was at center to theis. Never mind it no longer has Warren playing out of postion at the 4, but can stay at the 3 for the min that were played by Justin. I try to post honestly. Not trying to make it seem otherwise that turner and savonis are the only ones that paly the 4/5 so there is a down grade in the front court for the whole game.
So, 96 minutes at the bigs and the guys we trade Turner for need 72 of those minutes to approximate an impact of Turner, leaving 24 minutes for Sabonis?
I like Theis. A lot. He’s just not quite a Turner. He’s just not quite not quite a Turner and that’s ok. It fits the setup in Boston and he’s playing hot now, so it’s working. But a full season? If Theis, Green, and Bjelica with Sabonis? It just weakens the overall team. We only need one of those guys as a backup, but here we’re just platooning all of them as the starter? But mostly, in pitching These guys and Romeo, you’re pitching how a lot of guys can help off the bench or 3rd units, but it’s ignoring it’s a steep drop at the starting spot. One that just can’t be ignored and hope that depth of backups fixes it.
You’re also missing Goga. And Justin is apparently still a solid possibility to come back and we can spend up to the MLE on him. If a team wants to give him more than the MLE, It’s absolutely fine to assume he will go. And Jakarr at the end of the year may not have been all that much different than a Green.
you have to get beyond "the bigs" And how do those guys equal turner. Turner scored 12 points and 6 rebounds. Thies by himself got just as many rebounds and scored 2 less points in less min and as the 6th option on the team. he shot better and he was more effcient. never mind the contributions of Green and bjelica. Boga plays what 8 min a game in blowouts? The MLE is 9,7 mil, how do the pacers pay 9.7 when they can only give him a 25% raise which will be about 6 mil. And why is Jakarr Sampson mentioned as a 4/Green. Sampson is a wing who might not be back either. If you want to say Justin takes a 33% discount to stay with his brother, fine, but he is already 30 and never got a good payday yeat, this is his last chance.
I understand you don't want to trade turner for the package I laid out. I understand your hesitancy to trade the best player for smaller pieces. What I don't understand is your mischaracterization of the player package I put together and my reasons why those players were chosen or the roles they would play.
1. Theis will play the 18 min a game that Sabonis does not play at the 5.
2. Green and Bjelica will play the 4 for the 48 min. Allowing Warren to stay at the 3 and not be played out of position and making up for the loss of Justin at the 3.
3. Langford will begiven a chance to develop behind Dipo who most likely will be on a "under 30 min" for the first 1/2 of the year.
4. the 14th pick could be used on Precious who has the traits of siakem and Bam as rookies and has that upside.
Turner is the best player in the package, but this package is just not to replace his 32 min that he plays. It is to strengthen existing weaknesses and not just replace Turner. you are not going to trade turner and get an equal player or you would have said those players names. They don't exist on teams that need centers.
