Knicks rumoured to offer FVV 22M per year

[Steelo Green]

Fred is not much better than Schroeder. Shouldn’t make more than 15-17 mil.

He’s a negative asset at 22. Better to walk than keep.

Look at bad contracts handed out because they didn’t want to lose the asset. Would rather have no asset.

I mean look at Eric Gordon making 16 mil.

[Kingsway_fan]

MASAI won't let good assets go for nothing. We resign him... then can consider trades in future....no brainer.

[baller16]

I would personally look to S&T FVV. This undersized 2 guard lineup needs to end now, its not gonna work in the playoffs. Look at Kemba right now, he's absolutely struggling as well.

[C_Money]

MASAI won't let good assets go for nothing. We resign him... then can consider trades in future....no brainer.

This is exactly what I’m thinking. I’m surprised most people here want to see another core player leave for nothing. Masai will overpay if he has to.

[Raptaz]

Will be an all star and team leader for many years to come. Defensive stalwart and tough as nails that’s still learning the nuances of running a team. Putting up better numbers than Lowry did at the same age... and everyone thought Lowry, too, was a dime a dozen guard at the time.

Losing him for nothing with no backup plan at the position is a Rob Babcock-type of move.

Masai knows this will be an easy decision to resign him - if he underperforms, you can always trade him.

Yup your bang on. This isn’t the old days.

No way Masai let’s Fred walk for nothing. He will match whatever and just trade him if he has too (poor play, cap space etc etc etc).

I know the 'if he doesn't perform to his contract trade him for assets' sounds appealing, but this isn't 2k. There's another team involved.

Players who aren't living up to their contracts aren't easy to trade, especially not for assets.

You must be new !
Go look at mosaics trade history starting with bargnani who should have no value whatsoever

[casual_raps_fan]

Yup your bang on. This isn’t the old days.

No way Masai let’s Fred walk for nothing. He will match whatever and just trade him if he has too (poor play, cap space etc etc etc).

I know the 'if he doesn't perform to his contract trade him for assets' sounds appealing, but this isn't 2k. There's another team involved.

Players who aren't living up to their contracts aren't easy to trade, especially not for assets.

You must be new !
Go look at mosaics trade history starting with bargnani who should have no value whatsoever

To add to this, baring injuries, I'd be surprised if Fred Van Vleet would ever have no value even on a 20M contract. He's a good shooter, ball handler, defender, has plenty of playoff experience and will be in his 20s throughout the duration of the contract. That sounds like a solid player.

[RaptorsNorth]

Knicks fan running account starts his own Knicks rumor and of course nobody stops to ask who runs That account that would know something guys like shams, woj ect doesn’t know anything about if they didn’t already hire someone you just know a random Bobby to Knicks rumor would be popping up with this one.

[agkagk]

Not only should we let FVV walk for that dollar amount. We should also be trading Lowry.

FVV is too expensive and Lowry is too old.

Pascal is overpaid already. And we still need to lock up OG. And save cap for Giannis.

The Lowry trade should net us a couple decent players (including a guard, X) and a 1st rounder.

Back court next year is weak, with TD2, X, Norman, and Thomas, and a kid we draft in the first round.

But we re-up Ibaka for a slight discount, and we roll with a great front court, first round picks, and emerging cap space.

Thank god you’re not Masai.

Let’s be mediocre

[raptorstime]

Undrafted to 100mil+. I'm happy for Fred and his family.

[StopitLeo]

Guard is a position of strength on the team - Lowry/Norm/Thomas/TD2. So we don't *have* to re-sign FVV.

The team needs to decide if FVV is the PG of the future. Because we can't afford to pay Lowry $30+ million and FVV $20+ million for more than a single bridge year. If we sign FVV, either next year is Lowry's last in a Raptors uniform or he agrees to a much lower dollar figure. I hope it's the latter - I'd be happy if he goes out like the Spurs vets, signing short-term contracts until he retires.

Lowry's $30M is a one time thing. I think the expectation would have been that he take a lot less if he wants to stay with the team after next season.

You're right that the decision is really whether FVV is going to be your PG for the next few years. I think that's a no brainer if you can come to a reasonable agreement. The team has invested a lot in him already, he exemplifies the team culture, and he has the intangibles & leadership skills that you want in a PG.

In the regular season there were 3 players who shot over 39% from 3 and averaged 6+ assists per game: Lillard, Kyrie, and FVV. That's pretty solid company. Fred almost averaged 2 steals as well (1.9).

[xAIRNESSx]

This reminds me of the time when many in the fanbase wanted to let Lowry walk for nothing when he was a FA.

[Danny1616]

A fair contract for Fred is between 18-22m a year.

Lowry is making 30m but he was on a short-term deal, was an established all-star, and was grossly underpaid in his 2014-2018 deal, only making 12m a year.

[ash_k]

Fred is not much better than Schroeder. Shouldn’t make more than 15-17 mil.

He’s a negative asset at 22. Better to walk than keep.

Look at bad contracts handed out because they didn’t want to lose the asset. Would rather have no asset.

I mean look at Eric Gordon making 16 mil.

so you think, Schroeder can take over a NBA Finals closing game? At least with FVV, we know he is not a Clayton Kershaw. He must be re-signed

[COY0607]

Regardless of the validity of this report, someone will most likely offer FVV $20M+ / year. Which is fine, let him walk, don't try and re-sign him. FVV won't have D'Angelo Russell type trade value

[Tacoma]

MASAI won't let good assets go for nothing. We resign him... then can consider trades in future....no brainer.

This is exactly what I’m thinking. I’m surprised most people here want to see another core player leave for nothing. Masai will overpay if he has to.

Masai has let good assets go for nothing (e.g., Amir Johnson and 6th man of year Lou Williams) in the past.

Not clear on the "can consider trades in future" idea if it doesn't work out? If he lives up to his contract, no need to trade him. If he doesn't, then it won't be easy to trade a bad contract. Also, if Masai doesn't sign FVV, he will sign someone else presumably of better value that can also be a trade asset in the future.

Either way, whether to re-sign FVV at price X is certainly not a no brainer for Masai.

[Raptors_128]

Wouldn’t mind taking on Mike Conley for a year if we were to lose Kyle and Fred somehow.

Don’t know how the logistics would work but, whatever salary we get back from a Kyle trade and/or Fred sign-and-trade could be used.

[Pooh_Jeter]

There hasn't been a contract where Masai HASN'T overpaid. FVV is definitely getting 4/100M.

[tradejosehesux]

I'd be surprised if he leaves. Raps would offer somewhere in that ball park and i'd be okay with that.

Masai got us.

[SurgeIblocka]

MASAI won't let good assets go for nothing. We resign him... then can consider trades in future....no brainer.

This is exactly what I’m thinking. I’m surprised most people here want to see another core player leave for nothing. Masai will overpay if he has to.

Masai has let good assets go for nothing (e.g., Amir Johnson and 6th man of year Lou Williams) in the past.

Not clear on the "can consider trades in future" idea if it doesn't work out? If he lives up to his contract, no need to trade him. If he doesn't, then it won't be easy to trade a bad contract. Also, if Masai doesn't sign FVV, he will sign someone else presumably of better value that can also be a trade asset in the future.

Either way, whether to re-sign FVV at price X is certainly not a no brainer for Masai.

Amir was washed up at the time, and Lou was a terrible fit from a character perspective and net negative in the playoffs.Masai won’t let Fred walk.

[Meursault]

I don't think he's necessarily going to go to the Knicks for 22M per year, even if the Raptors deal comes short of that. I don't know FVV or his decision making calculus, but I would like to think he's smart enough to consider factors such as cultural fit, organizational structure/success, and career trajectory.

I work as a business leader for a global tech company (i.e. microsoft, google, amazon, facebook, etc.) and get approached for opportunities that pay 1.2-2X more than my current salary, and I turn them down all the time without batting an eyelid. My colleagues make similar decisions all the time. This is because a lot of these opportunities are the equivalent of playing a key role for a happy, stable, and winning environment like the Raptors that is at the cutting edge of the league versus a chaotic, frenzied mess that is fighting just to stay relevant at best, and alive at worst. But this is exactly why they try to throw the Brinks at people who come from big ticket, successful environments - because in a lot of ways, it's a Hail Mary that somehow these guys can miraculously fix something so structurally and inherently flawed/damaged. 9 times out of 10, it doesn't work - and those who jump ship for more cash, jump ship again within 18-24 months for somewhere else, but it's rarely back to the same tier under equal or better terms.

Having said that, my total comp is south of seven figures. Far south. If seven figures is Toronto and Antarctica is minimum wage, I'm like Acapulco lol. I have no idea if the lines blur between 18M vs. 22M, so if FVV goes for that incremental gross 4M per annum to feed his family, I respect that. He just strikes me as someone who has a really good head above his shoulders such that, if it means 18M x 4 for the Raptors vs. 22M x 4 for the Knicks, he'd leave the marshmellow on that plate and choose the Raptors to maximize his 2nd and final big pay day when he's in his mid-to-late prime at 30 years old.

Just my two cents.