2019-2020 College/Draft thread IX (Knicks own #8 pick, 11/18 DRAFT) - Picking 8 who do you NOT want???

[Zenzibar]

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People are saying they are trying to cover it up.

I wouldn’t put it past Boston.

True, Boston is def known for cheating so you never know.

This one sounds more like it was made up though.

Trust me, LaMelo is not worth getting caught, embarrassed and losing multiple draft picks for.

[3toheadmelo]

Apparently Charlotte journalist Konata Edwards who supposedly has knowledge of Mitch Kupchak’s thinkings revealed that the Hornets big board is LaMelo, Avdija then Hayes.

This draft could end up getting crazy. If the Hornets pass on him our guy Wiseman could fall all the way to 9th.

Hornets must not be high on Devonte Graham then. Interesting...

If Wiseman miraculously falls to us, Knicks better take him.

[mpharris36]

Apparently Charlotte journalist Konata Edwards who supposedly has knowledge of Mitch Kupchak’s thinkings revealed that the Hornets big board is LaMelo, Avdija then Hayes.

This draft could end up getting crazy. If the Hornets pass on him our guy Wiseman could fall all the way to 9th.

Hornets must not be high on Devonte Graham then. Interesting...

If Wiseman miraculously falls to us, Knicks better take him.

part of me just wants this to happen to see your reaction

[3toheadmelo]

Apparently Charlotte journalist Konata Edwards who supposedly has knowledge of Mitch Kupchak’s thinkings revealed that the Hornets big board is LaMelo, Avdija then Hayes.

This draft could end up getting crazy. If the Hornets pass on him our guy Wiseman could fall all the way to 9th.

Hornets must not be high on Devonte Graham then. Interesting...

If Wiseman miraculously falls to us, Knicks better take him.

part of me just wants this to happen to see your reaction

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[mpharris36]

Hornets must not be high on Devonte Graham then. Interesting...

If Wiseman miraculously falls to us, Knicks better take him.

part of me just wants this to happen to see your reaction

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[moocow007]

Apparently Charlotte journalist Konata Edwards who supposedly has knowledge of Mitch Kupchak’s thinkings revealed that the Hornets big board is LaMelo, Avdija then Hayes.

This draft could end up getting crazy. If the Hornets pass on him our guy Wiseman could fall all the way to 9th.

Hornets must not be high on Devonte Graham then. Interesting...

If Wiseman miraculously falls to us, Knicks better take him.

It's likely MJ telling Mitch that Ball's the guy.

[mpharris36]

Apparently Charlotte journalist Konata Edwards who supposedly has knowledge of Mitch Kupchak’s thinkings revealed that the Hornets big board is LaMelo, Avdija then Hayes.

This draft could end up getting crazy. If the Hornets pass on him our guy Wiseman could fall all the way to 9th.

Hornets must not be high on Devonte Graham then. Interesting...

If Wiseman miraculously falls to us, Knicks better take him.

It's likely MJ telling Mitch that Ball's the guy.

yeah, seems like they are threatening the warriors if you trade out of 2 thinking you still can get Deni at 4 or something like that. Then we will pick Deni at #3.

Sounds like they just want to sit at #3 and get Ball.

[DOT]

Hornets must not be high on Devonte Graham then. Interesting...

If Wiseman miraculously falls to us, Knicks better take him.

It's likely MJ telling Mitch that Ball's the guy.

yeah, seems like they are threatening the warriors if you trade out of 2 thinking you still can get Deni at 4 or something like that. Then we will pick Deni at #3.

Sounds like they just want to sit at #3 and get Ball.

I still think there's a good chance they go Toppin

Seems to fit his profile of upperclassmen with great collegiate pedigrees but questionable ability to translate to the pros.

[mpharris36]

It's likely MJ telling Mitch that Ball's the guy.

yeah, seems like they are threatening the warriors if you trade out of 2 thinking you still can get Deni at 4 or something like that. Then we will pick Deni at #3.

Sounds like they just want to sit at #3 and get Ball.

I still think there's a good chance they go Toppin

Seems to fit his profile of upperclassmen with great collegiate pedigrees but questionable ability to translate to the pros.

Yeah I have been reading Toppin has been gaining steam. Organizations that haven't had the most success recently like the Hornets or the Cavs have been linked to Toppin recently because he is a plug and play guy and probably can get you like 15-7 or 16-8 right off the bat with good efficiency. I personally don't think hes a great long term play because when you get into the playoffs he's the type of guy that will get exposed and single out and isolated in P&R coverage.

But in terms of instant production for a long time lottery team I can for sure see it being enticing to get Toppin who will be probably be a front runner for the ROY.

[DOT]

yeah, seems like they are threatening the warriors if you trade out of 2 thinking you still can get Deni at 4 or something like that. Then we will pick Deni at #3.

Sounds like they just want to sit at #3 and get Ball.

I still think there's a good chance they go Toppin

Seems to fit his profile of upperclassmen with great collegiate pedigrees but questionable ability to translate to the pros.

Yeah I have been reading Toppin has been gaining steam. Organizations that haven't had the most success recently like the Hornets or the Cavs have been linked to Toppin recently because he is a plug and play guy and probably can get you like 15-7 or 16-8 right off the bat with good efficiency. I personally don't think hes a great long term play because when you get into the playoffs he's the type of guy that will get exposed and single out and isolated in P&R coverage.

But in terms of instant production for a long time lottery team I can for sure see it being enticing to get Toppin who will be probably be a front runner for the ROY.

Yeah, I kinda ignored looking at him for a while cause I don't think another forward is a good fit and I think we need a PG, but I can see the appeal

Still don't like him for us, I think he'll be best as a C with questionable at best defense, but he does produce. Looks pretty solid on offense, like a John Collins type player, maybe at the absolute peak he could get to Amare levels, but I doubt it.

[mpharris36]

I still think there's a good chance they go Toppin

Seems to fit his profile of upperclassmen with great collegiate pedigrees but questionable ability to translate to the pros.

Yeah I have been reading Toppin has been gaining steam. Organizations that haven't had the most success recently like the Hornets or the Cavs have been linked to Toppin recently because he is a plug and play guy and probably can get you like 15-7 or 16-8 right off the bat with good efficiency. I personally don't think hes a great long term play because when you get into the playoffs he's the type of guy that will get exposed and single out and isolated in P&R coverage.

But in terms of instant production for a long time lottery team I can for sure see it being enticing to get Toppin who will be probably be a front runner for the ROY.

Yeah, I kinda ignored looking at him for a while cause I don't think another forward is a good fit and I think we need a PG, but I can see the appeal

Still don't like him for us, I think he'll be best as a C with questionable at best defense, but he does produce. Looks pretty solid on offense, like a John Collins type player, maybe at the absolute peak he could get to Amare levels, but I doubt it.

I think for him to succeed he could potentially start at the 4...but he will have to finish as a 5 as the league continues to get more agile and quicker. I just don't see him having any real rim protection skills so he will have to be dominant on offense to warrant major minutes at a defensive crucial position like center.

That ultimately is why I don't like him for the Knicks because Mitch is our 5 and we have so many other areas of need. But I could see a team being interested who need front line scoring...and if the shot translates he can be a real weapon on that end.

John Collins is a solid comp. I just see Amare on defense (and not PHX Amare) NYK after major surgeries Amare on defense.

[RHODEY]

Yeah I have been reading Toppin has been gaining steam. Organizations that haven't had the most success recently like the Hornets or the Cavs have been linked to Toppin recently because he is a plug and play guy and probably can get you like 15-7 or 16-8 right off the bat with good efficiency. I personally don't think hes a great long term play because when you get into the playoffs he's the type of guy that will get exposed and single out and isolated in P&R coverage.

But in terms of instant production for a long time lottery team I can for sure see it being enticing to get Toppin who will be probably be a front runner for the ROY.

Yeah, I kinda ignored looking at him for a while cause I don't think another forward is a good fit and I think we need a PG, but I can see the appeal

Still don't like him for us, I think he'll be best as a C with questionable at best defense, but he does produce. Looks pretty solid on offense, like a John Collins type player, maybe at the absolute peak he could get to Amare levels, but I doubt it.

I think for him to succeed he could potentially start at the 4...but he will have to finish as a 5 as the league continues to get more agile and quicker. I just don't see him having any real rim protection skills so he will have to be dominant on offense to warrant major minutes at a defensive crucial position like center.

That ultimately is why I don't like him for the Knicks because Mitch is our 5 and we have so many other areas of need. But I could see a team being interested who need front line scoring...and if the shot translates he can be a real weapon on that end.

John Collins is a solid comp. I just see Amare on defense (and not PHX Amare) NYK after major surgeries Amare on defense.

Im not pinnig for OBi, but lately he intrigues me. He's ready made offense even with the subpar defense. But what's often over looked is his passing skills. I think that's something that differentiates him and someone like John Collins.

[mpharris36]

Yeah, I kinda ignored looking at him for a while cause I don't think another forward is a good fit and I think we need a PG, but I can see the appeal

Still don't like him for us, I think he'll be best as a C with questionable at best defense, but he does produce. Looks pretty solid on offense, like a John Collins type player, maybe at the absolute peak he could get to Amare levels, but I doubt it.

I think for him to succeed he could potentially start at the 4...but he will have to finish as a 5 as the league continues to get more agile and quicker. I just don't see him having any real rim protection skills so he will have to be dominant on offense to warrant major minutes at a defensive crucial position like center.

That ultimately is why I don't like him for the Knicks because Mitch is our 5 and we have so many other areas of need. But I could see a team being interested who need front line scoring...and if the shot translates he can be a real weapon on that end.

John Collins is a solid comp. I just see Amare on defense (and not PHX Amare) NYK after major surgeries Amare on defense.

Im not pinnig for OBi, but lately he intrigues me. He's ready made offense even with the subpar defense. But what's often over looked is his passing skills. I think that's something that differentiates him and someone like John Collins.

Yes agreed. Him being a plus passer for a big is good. I wouldn't go as far as saying the man can have a offense run through him like Jokic. But he also doesn't force things with tunnel vision like an Amare used to.

His post up are pretty mechanical which is a concern and he is just so top heavy. I would have a concern about him muscling people down low because his lower half is pretty weak for a big.

He is a great vertical athlete but a pretty sub par lateral athlete.

I do have concerns about his range. He turned down a lot of outside shots which for him to really be a difference maker like Amare that shot needs to be automatic.

And obviously his draft age is a huge concern. You will be talking about someone who will be basically 23 when he plays his first NBA game. You have guys like Frank and DSJ who have been in the NBA for 3 years that are younger. So it pretty much means he has to produce and produce right away.

[3toheadmelo]

I personally think Obi is the second best big after Wiseman. He is going to be really good imo.

[DOT]

I personally think Obi is the second best big after Wiseman. He is going to be really good imo.

I think the thing to worry about with him is, how much of his game is just him being that much older and more physically developed than the rest of the college guys?

Like, he was born the day after Tatum. It's not old, and he can still grow a lot, but relative to a lot of guys who play in college, it is pretty old.

[Dantares]

What the hell is this? Obi hype day? this is like when Cole Anthony had his hype day last week. stop the Obi talk please. j/k

[3toheadmelo]

I personally think Obi is the second best big after Wiseman. He is going to be really good imo.

I think the thing to worry about with him is, how much of his game is just him being that much older and more physically developed than the rest of the college guys?

Like, he was born the day after Tatum. It's not old, and he can still grow a lot, but relative to a lot of guys who play in college, it is pretty old.

That’s a fair point. He has shown some skills that doesn’t rely on physical attributes though. Like shooting and handling the ball. I think just those 2 skills alone are pretty valuable, especially as a big man.

[robillionaire]

If I was picking top 4 I wouldn't pick Obi but at 8 in this draft I wouldn't complain

[robillionaire]

I personally think Obi is the second best big after Wiseman. He is going to be really good imo.

I think the thing to worry about with him is, how much of his game is just him being that much older and more physically developed than the rest of the college guys?

Like, he was born the day after Tatum. It's not old, and he can still grow a lot, but relative to a lot of guys who play in college, it is pretty old.

His upside isn't going to be as high because of that. Everyone knows I don't like to draft older players. But it also doesn't mean he can't be a solid pick. Brandon Clarke was all-rookie 1st team and he turns 24 tomorrow and was even older than toppin when drafted

[Deeeez Knicks]

Too many red flags for Obi. Hope the Knicks stay away. At worst, his defense is going to be so bad where he will be almost unplayable. Maybe Obi ends up being like a Julius Randle/Harrell type, but that really isn't the type of player we need. I am not buying any of his passing/playmaking/perimeter skills. He doesnt look like that kinda dude.

We are much better off taking a shot at one of the wings or guards over Obi.