2019-2020 College/Draft thread IX (Knicks own #8 pick, 11/18 DRAFT) - Picking 8 who do you NOT want???

[moocow007]

I don’t get the Obi hate. Plus I think his defense isn’t as bad as some make it. You can put together highlight reels of top defenders **** the bed too. He’s not elite or great, but I think he’s solid and under Thibs could be even better.

If we did in fact trade for Cp3... Obi would be fuggin nasty playing with him.

I’m a obi fan he kind of reminds me of Amare. He might struggle some without a point guard but who won’t struggle @8 without a point guard

Vassell, okoro, nesmith any route you go they will all struggle without a competent point guard. Okoro to a lesser degree because his handle and athleticism will squeeze him by like RJ was still able to get by to an extent despite our scrub fest at point guard.

That is true.

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[Juco24]

While I don't want to give up assets for CP3... let's say it happens. I'd definitely draft Obi at that point if he's on the board and hope to get Hampton later on.
CP3/RJH
Dotson
Mitch
Obi
RJB

Don't know about Randle but still don't like the CP3 trade rumors

[Fat]

I don’t get the Obi hate. Plus I think his defense isn’t as bad as some make it. You can put together highlight reels of top defenders **** the bed too. He’s not elite or great, but I think he’s solid and under Thibs could be even better.

If we did in fact trade for Cp3... Obi would be fuggin nasty playing with him.

I’m a obi fan he kind of reminds me of Amare. He might struggle some without a point guard but who won’t struggle @8 without a point guard

Vassell, okoro, nesmith any route you go they will all struggle without a competent point guard. Okoro to a lesser degree because his handle and athleticism will squeeze him by like RJ was still able to get by to an extent despite our scrub fest at point guard.

That is true.

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Obi is already 22 though and that kind of sucks but I do like the versatility and athleticism of mitch/obi front with obi being a inside outside type of player with high IQ.

[moocow007]

At the end of the day, there is no absolute anything. Just because you don't like a guy at 4 doesn't mean that he's not worth picking at 8. Folks too stuck on just the player measured against this single static compate in their mind and not measured relative to where the pick is, how it will be utilized and leveraged.

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[Fat]

A bust is a bust and Obi has so many red flags. I don't care if Obi falls to 8 I still don't want him. Only reason to draft him is to trade down and get someone else.

What’s the red flags outside of his age/defense. He seems like the perfect 4 man in today’s NBA. How much defense even gets played at the 4 in today’s game it’s a bunch of small ball players spacing the floor There are some exceptions but overall that’s pretty much what it is. And obi at least is a good help shot blocker

[Zenzibar]

A bust is a bust and Obi has so many red flags. I don't care if Obi falls to 8 I still don't want him. Only reason to draft him is to trade down and get someone else.

What’s the red flags outside of his age/defense. He seems like the perfect 4 man in today’s NBA. How much defense even gets played at the 4 in today’s game it’s a bunch of small ball players spacing the floor There are some exceptions but overall that’s pretty much what it is. And obi at least is a good help shot blocker

Good point.

And don't be surprised if he winds up with the Warriors.

[Fat]

Patrick Williams or obi? If the Knicks narrowed it down to either of these two guys

williams is more of of a tweaner sf/pf positionless type guy. more on the raw side and one of the youngest players in the draft but definitely has the athleticism and versatility and shooting potential.


Probably a undersized 4 at heart but has the wingspan/frame to play the position.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Obi gotta loosen up those hips Instead of a backeotomy give him a hipeotomy. It would probably be a souped up version of the Portis/ Mitch front court we had coming off the bench. They have a netrat of -5.2 which is probably one of better 2 man line ups we have.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Patrick Williams or obi? If the Knicks narrowed it down to either of these two guys

williams is more of of a tweaner sf/pf positionless type guy. more on the raw side And one of the youngest players in the draft but definitely has the athleticism and versatility and shooting potential.

Patrick Williams for me, but overall would just take someone else at #8.

[3toheadmelo]

Patrick Williams or obi? If the Knicks narrowed it down to either of these two guys

williams is more of of a tweaner sf/pf positionless type guy. more on the raw side and one of the youngest players in the draft but definitely has the athleticism and versatility and shooting potential.


Probably a undersized 4 at heart but has the wingspan to play the position.

Obi easily for me. I don't know if I see any star potential in Patrick Williams. I think he's like Jeff Green/Marcus Morris

[TheGreenArrow]

Cp3/dsjr
Rj/iggy
?/
Obi/McDaniels
Mitch/taj

I like this squad a lot.

Kenny Payne can/will develop the skills necessary for Mitch and Obi to mesh.

[TheGreenArrow]

Patrick Williams or obi? If the Knicks narrowed it down to either of these two guys

williams is more of of a tweaner sf/pf positionless type guy. more on the raw side and one of the youngest players in the draft but definitely has the athleticism and versatility and shooting potential.


Probably a undersized 4 at heart but has the wingspan to play the position.

Obi easily for me. I don't know if I see any star potential in Patrick Williams. I think he's like Jeff Green/Marcus Morris

If either Obi/Hayes are there at 8 I’m taking either over the vassells/okoro/coles etc.

And it isn’t even close.

[robillionaire]

Patrick Williams or obi? If the Knicks narrowed it down to either of these two guys

williams is more of of a tweaner sf/pf positionless type guy. more on the raw side and one of the youngest players in the draft but definitely has the athleticism and versatility and shooting potential.


Probably a undersized 4 at heart but has the wingspan to play the position.

Obi easily for me. I don't know if I see any star potential in Patrick Williams. I think he's like Jeff Green/Marcus Morris

same. I have a top 8 of ball, edwards, wiseman, deni, okoro, hayes, toppin, okongwu. that's 8 and we are 8th so I'm sticking with whoever falls there

realistically i think toppin will go in the top 5 or in some kind of trade

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Patrick Williams or obi? If the Knicks narrowed it down to either of these two guys

williams is more of of a tweaner sf/pf positionless type guy. more on the raw side and one of the youngest players in the draft but definitely has the athleticism and versatility and shooting potential.


Probably a undersized 4 at heart but has the wingspan/frame to play the position.

Williams, showed some flashes on the ball and making solid reads/passes, has more potential as a defender, much younger, showed a pull up game as well.


I feel like Toppin is going to score, but it's going to come at a cost on defense, where I do think you cannot have a poor defender at the 4. And, I can't shake the visuals that he moves like Tobias Harris who is an awful defender and just about the same size.

[TheGreenArrow]

If we do go Obi then we have to get a pg like cp3. He’s the type of pg to make the Mitch/Obi combo work.

[Deeeez Knicks]

A bust is a bust and Obi has so many red flags. I don't care if Obi falls to 8 I still don't want him. Only reason to draft him is to trade down and get someone else.

What’s the red flags outside of his age/defense. He seems like the perfect 4 man in today’s NBA. How much defense even gets played at the 4 in today’s game it’s a bunch of small ball players spacing the floor There are some exceptions but overall that’s pretty much what it is. And obi at least is a good help shot blocker

I would want a 4 that is a good versatile defender, can shoot and play on the perimeter. That is not really Obi's game. His shot is ok, but he is way more of a post/interior scorer. That is what made him good in college. I don't really see him being a good perimeter player beyond maybe making an occasional 3....he can't really dribble or put the ball on the floor and he is going to get torched on defense. He might even be more of a liability defending the perimeter. An interior scoring 4, is just outdated in todays game.

In the right situation i think he can put up numbers. His game just screams Randle/Kanter/Okafor kinda game where the defensive liability is gonna cancel out the offense too.

[Fat]

I like both sides takes on obi vs Patrick. Hard choice for me I feel Patrick can be a better two player while obi can have a big impact offensively.

I’d feel comfortable taking obi 8 but if Williams were the pick id rather trade back to select him than straight up take him at 8 just based off how much rawer he is.

[RHODEY]

I personally think Obi is the second best big after Wiseman. He is going to be really good imo.

I think the thing to worry about with him is, how much of his game is just him being that much older and more physically developed than the rest of the college guys?

Like, he was born the day after Tatum. It's not old, and he can still grow a lot, but relative to a lot of guys who play in college, it is pretty old.

His upside isn't going to be as high because of that. Everyone knows I don't like to draft older players. But it also doesn't mean he can't be a solid pick. Brandon Clarke was all-rookie 1st team and he turns 24 tomorrow and was even older than toppin when drafted

But what if he is an exeption...like Dwade?

[RHODEY]

Too many red flags for Obi. Hope the Knicks stay away. At worst, his defense is going to be so bad where he will be almost unplayable. Maybe Obi ends up being like a Julius Randle/Harrell type, but that really isn't the type of player we need. I am not buying any of his passing/playmaking/perimeter skills. He doesnt look like that kinda dude.

We are much better off taking a shot at one of the wings or guards over Obi.

according to the Stephen(https://www.thestepien.com/2020/02/19/obi-toppin-scouting-report/):

Passing: Really nice passer for a big – shows real ability here passing all over the court. Can kick it up in transition, pass off of his handle, pass out of the post (loves kicking it to the opposite corner, which he can hit with one-handed / live-action passes with either hand), and has some beautiful short roll passes. Quick decision-maker out of the post and does a nice job reading the double team and getting the ball to the open man, whether that’s a cutter or out to the perimeter. Soft touch on his passes, throwing a very catchable ball. Also a nice high-low passer, making quick reads / quick lobs over the top after cutting to the top of the key. Nice swing passer, can drive and kick, and drive and drop-off. Really well balanced and versatile passer for a big – way more than a stationary passer.

When you add to that that he' has decent offensive versatility(way more than Harrel), a workable 3pt shot (albeit on low volume),great pick and role abilities - it makes it harder for me to just dismiss him -even with his slow feet and tight hips on defense. I still have at least 3 players ahead of him but he's...interesting to me.

[DowNY]

This Brandon Scoop kid supposedly says we have an offer for CP3 ready. Someone responded with this counter & I’m loving it.

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