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TimCanDunk wrote:People love to say that Jordan couldn't win without Pippen but they don't even understand Pippen wasn't even that good in 1998. He was only selected to the 3rd all nba team and Jordan won the series vs the Pacers and Jazz by himself.
TimCanDunk wrote:People love to say that Jordan couldn't win without Pippen but they don't even understand Pippen wasn't even that good in 1998. He was only selected to the 3rd all nba team and Jordan won the series vs the Pacers and Jazz by himself.
TimCanDunk wrote:People love to say that Jordan couldn't win without Pippen but they don't even understand Pippen wasn't even that good in 1998. He was only selected to the 3rd all nba team and Jordan won the series vs the Pacers and Jazz by himself.
Air Apparent wrote:what do u mean "who are / were all these "superstars" that had to sacrifice their games to play with James??"
are we gonna act like bosh and love werent putting up 25/12 type numbers, both JUST entering their early primes moving in an upwards trajectory in their careers prior to playing next to lebron and completely ended up altering their games in the worst possible way for their individual careers (but for the betterment of the team) while bron kept with his stat-padding ways, his game has never been affected on any team because he never changes, and wade was lebrons equal too lets not be naive, it was only after his boy got punked by jj barea and terry in the finals that he recognized bron is a bitch boy and needs a boost so he literally sacrificed his own latter prime years so bron could grow a **** pair because he has been pampered his whole life (contrary to people thinking wade just wasnt "as good" anymore...the guy was forced in a completely different role to accomodate the "goats" lack of skill to adapt), fizdale ud and wade have already exposed all this to us time and time again, because unlike bron who has like 3 moves in his offensive repertoire to this day and is useless off the ball, wade was skilled enough and good enough to completely change his game so the team actually won something, and bron wasnt twiddling his thumbs like a useless bum when the pressure kicked in
shows how major of an upgrade and dominant AD is despite people acting like he's not on the team and bron is magically just winning this year in the west, because even with essentially that same style to this day, AD is still the best player on the team by far and has carried the load on both ends of the floor
and let's not forget to mention what kyrie was doing in the finals to steph curry and them boys, he literally dipped because he recognized how much he had to limit his game next to bron and how toxic he was with the roster changes, he was the one with some of the major heroics but people don't even mention his name lol, and if people are gonna act like kyrie isn't a superstar but claim warriors were a superteam because they had steph curry...then what does kyrie always having his way with a superstar say about kyrie?
lebron is a legend, he's still a top player in the league today, his longevity and luck with health is unheard of, even kareem had injuries, and personally i WANT the lakers (and heat) in the finals, ild be happy if either win, the only thing that irks me about lakers winning is this type of nonsense that follows, endless barrage of desperate cronies grasping at straws because time ran out a long time ago and they gotta do some serious gymnastics to fool the casuals
he is simply not built like a goat in any shape or form, runs from adversity every chance he gets in his career (well documented), makes excuses every loss, comes out with fake ass hand casts, activates his "groin injury" every opportunity, and comments like "at the end of the day its just basketball" .."at the end of the day im still lebron james and youre jobs sucks" "check my stats" shirts, he was the only one thinking he was gonna win 7 rings, made it awkward for riley and wade and everyone in miami because man got too excited thinking he was gonna overtake jordan, got a nice reality check by jj barea and jason terry, tried to get every coach fired (miami put him in his place, david blatt got disrespected though) he would probably cry if phil jackson was in his face, his teammtes are always chopped liver, he at one point had deron williams, wade, d-rose all who either had decent seasons prior to or post their cavs stint, but he has always been someone who just tries to beg every name player to come join him and throw them in a blender because he doesnt know how to build a team, he wants the easy way path of least resistance, he been begging players to join him since larry hughes, he grabs every free agent he can, man was literally begging kawhi to come join him and ANTHONY DAVIS lool, bro how much help do you need? you have dwight howard who was averaging 15 an 10 type numbers to come OFF the bench, especially in a year where he is in much better shape, and you even hoped boogie would stay healthy enough to come off the bench
sounds more like playoff p more than the goat when you look at all that, not to mention, all his playoff runs were lopsided, when the teams were balanced (he was on 60+ win team) he got outplayed by dwight, ran off the court all upset, distanced himself from his teammates and defeat every single time, but after his game-winner in that series he compared his game-winner to jordan vs the cavaliers on espn the next day
"that one right there made me the greatest" ...oh did it now? LMAO
this fool even making space jam 2 and dont think that is a random occurrence, this was a legacy manipulating move, no one love and respect lebron like they did kobe and jordan, nothing will change that at this point in his life, and he is gonna go into overdrive after retirement in the media to push his legacy, while kobe and jordan real goat worthy players rode off into the sunset without this obsession to prove their worth because their peers recognized it,
until the bron nonsense got outta hand these past few years with the 4 same people on tv on klutch's payroll
jordan had to shut all that nonsense up real quick this year and bring balance to the force with the last dance
at the end of the day, he isn't even close, that is the sad reality, he figured out how to hack the league with his miami tenure on how to have the most opportunities and least resistance (if he coudlve brought kd he wouldve too lol) and yet has still gotten mostly Ls, everyone in his era been eating, everyone chilling and winning
ReddoverKobe wrote:As of Utah, half the roster could not make an NBA team in todays game. Just brutal.
Eddy_JukeZ wrote:Pippen has become seriously overrated on here.
The way people talk about him, you'd think he was a Lebron James type phenom when he came into the league.
Pippen was pretty meh his 1st few seasons in the league.
-MetA4- wrote:ReddoverKobe wrote:As of Utah, half the roster could not make an NBA team in todays game. Just brutal.
That '98 Utah team 4-1'd the Spurs with Duncan and Robinson and 4-0'd a Lakers team with prime Shaq which won 61 games in the regular season (which also featured Eddie Jones and a deep roster of other solid players like young Kobe).
ReddoverKobe wrote:If you compare the teams lebron faced in the finals vs Jordan its laughable. Jordan played some god awful teams in that third threepeat. Seattle was like 6 deep. As of Utah, half the roster could not make an NBA team in todays game. Just brutal.
Bigfactsstackz wrote:ReddoverKobe wrote:If you compare the teams lebron faced in the finals vs Jordan its laughable. Jordan played some god awful teams in that third threepeat. Seattle was like 6 deep. As of Utah, half the roster could not make an NBA team in todays game. Just brutal.
But yet Utah got rid of SA and Lakers in the 98 playoffs the two teams that would go on to win the next 5 championships? They were a well oil machine with lots of chemistry...
It’s like y’all don’t know **** about basketball sometimes
-MetA4- wrote:Eddy_JukeZ wrote:Pippen has become seriously overrated on here.
The way people talk about him, you'd think he was a Lebron James type phenom when he came into the league.
Pippen was pretty meh his 1st few seasons in the league.
The worst part is that Pippen himself will admit that he only became the player he became because of Jordan pushing him.
So how is that some "stain" on Jordan's legacy? He took two young rookies who were literally ~7 ppg bench players in Pippen and Horace Grant and helped groom them into great players - with Phil Jackson's help of course. Young players flourished under Jordan because he set a precedent for hard work and drive to win. LeBron can't do that because he lacks that mindset himself; hence why he has to bounce around and find already established stars.
Like are we also going to forget that Rodman was a complete nightmare that nobody wanted on their team as he left the Spurs to join the Bulls? Phil Jackson was able to work his magic in handling Rodman, but a guy like that needs a ****ing killer on the team like Jordan to keep him in line. He whipped the entire roster in shape.
ReddoverKobe wrote:If you compare the teams lebron faced in the finals vs Jordan its laughable. Jordan played some god awful teams in that third threepeat. Seattle was like 6 deep. As of Utah, half the roster could not make an NBA team in todays game. Just brutal.
LesGrossman wrote:We also can pretty safely assume that LeBron - would he run into modern day Pippen in his first season - wouldnt waste a second thought and ask the ownership to trade him for some established "win now" superstar. And once said superstar and Bron have moved on, the franchise will left without any assets, and be miserable, and even that will be used by his stans to prove how great he is - when he really comes over greedy franchises like cancer.
SF_Warriors wrote:ReddoverKobe wrote:If you compare the teams lebron faced in the finals vs Jordan its laughable. Jordan played some god awful teams in that third threepeat. Seattle was like 6 deep. As of Utah, half the roster could not make an NBA team in todays game. Just brutal.
How many of those teams bron faced were better than the 86 & 87 celtics?
-MetA4- wrote:ReddoverKobe wrote:As of Utah, half the roster could not make an NBA team in todays game. Just brutal.
That '98 Utah team 4-1'd the Spurs with Duncan and Robinson and 4-0'd a Lakers team with prime Shaq which won 61 games in the regular season (which also featured Eddie Jones and a deep roster of other solid players like young Kobe).
JoeyLightYears wrote:SF_Warriors wrote:ReddoverKobe wrote:If you compare the teams lebron faced in the finals vs Jordan its laughable. Jordan played some god awful teams in that third threepeat. Seattle was like 6 deep. As of Utah, half the roster could not make an NBA team in todays game. Just brutal.
How many of those teams bron faced were better than the 86 & 87 celtics?
Maybe MJ should have done better than the #8 seed so he could have avoided the #1 Celtics. Cool to see the regular season means something.
JoeyLightYears wrote:SF_Warriors wrote:ReddoverKobe wrote:If you compare the teams lebron faced in the finals vs Jordan its laughable. Jordan played some god awful teams in that third threepeat. Seattle was like 6 deep. As of Utah, half the roster could not make an NBA team in todays game. Just brutal.
How many of those teams bron faced were better than the 86 & 87 celtics?
Maybe MJ should have done better than the #8 seed so he could have avoided the #1 Celtics. Cool to see the regular season means something.