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2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#141 » by ShayDee » Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:49 pm

wco81 wrote:Unless his handles and pull ups become so good that he's like some poor man's version of KD, a 7 footer trying to cross over defenders, all that work is useless.

More likely his path to being an effective NBA player is to use his size, length and athleticism to get a lot of dunks, rebounds and at least try to challenge shots at the rim.

Or doing dirty work like screening for the better shooters. Maybe if he shows consistency at the mid range jump shots, he becomes useful for some pick and roll, pick and pop, though it would be preferable for him to dive to the basket, rim run or kick out to open shooters if teams rotate after doubling Curry.

Warriors don't need him to be taking 3s unless he's left wide open and in practice he's shown enough proficiency at hitting that shot.


It doesn't have to be KD good, but if he has a mismatch on the post, he will able to beat that guy off the dribble and get to the rim. Many 7fters cannot do that without turning the ball over
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#142 » by Mav_Carter » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:17 pm

Danny Ainge has fallen in love with Lamelo Ball per one of my zoom sources...Celtics are willing to offer Marcus Smart, Daniel Theis, Romeo Langford, and all 3 picks for Wiggins and the rights to the next Luka Doncic...
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#143 » by Phase 3 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:25 pm

Mav_Carter wrote:Danny Ainge has fallen in love with Lamelo Ball per one of my zoom sources...Celtics are willing to offer Marcus Smart, Daniel Theis, Romeo Langford, and all 3 picks for Wiggins and the rights to the next Luka Doncic...

Pass. Just stay at #2 and draft a stud like Wiseman. Warriors need quality >quantity right now.

Curry/Klay/Wiggins/Draymond/Wiseman....add some quality depth using the trade exception and taxpayer mle. That team is legit.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#144 » by ShayDee » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:47 pm

Mav_Carter wrote:Danny Ainge has fallen in love with Lamelo Ball per one of my zoom sources...Celtics are willing to offer Marcus Smart, Daniel Theis, Romeo Langford, and all 3 picks for Wiggins and the rights to the next Luka Doncic...


How about 14 and 26 and their 21 first? Also get romeo Langford of the deal

Smart, Theis 14, 26 and 21 first

14 Bey/Precious/Patrick Willaims
26 Bane

C Theis, Looney, Chriss
PF Green, Paschall, Smiley
SF ???, ???, #14
SG Thompson, Bane, Lee
PG Curry, Smart, Poole

Also I do not believe this rumor. Celtics are trying to Win now, they will not take Wiggins contract, their tax bill is already humongous, with Hayward, Kemba, Brown. Smart is the heart of the team they will never trade him. Theis is one of their best defenders. Will never trade him.

Also we need a big Wing at the 3, if we trade Wiggins we do not have a replacement, unless we trade for someone
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#145 » by whatisacenter » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:53 pm

Mav_Carter wrote:Danny Ainge has fallen in love with Lamelo Ball per one of my zoom sources...Celtics are willing to offer Marcus Smart, Daniel Theis, Romeo Langford, and all 3 picks for Wiggins and the rights to the next Luka Doncic...


really, are we supposed to take this seriously? I don't mean to sound harsh but that doesn't sound very reliable.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#146 » by Coxy » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:01 pm

whatisacenter wrote:
Mav_Carter wrote:Danny Ainge has fallen in love with Lamelo Ball per one of my zoom sources...Celtics are willing to offer Marcus Smart, Daniel Theis, Romeo Langford, and all 3 picks for Wiggins and the rights to the next Luka Doncic...


really, are we supposed to take this seriously? I don't mean to sound harsh but that doesn't sound very reliable.


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Post#147 » by Warriors Analyst » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:06 pm

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wco81 wrote:Unless his handles and pull ups become so good that he's like some poor man's version of KD, a 7 footer trying to cross over defenders, all that work is useless.

More likely his path to being an effective NBA player is to use his size, length and athleticism to get a lot of dunks, rebounds and at least try to challenge shots at the rim.

Or doing dirty work like screening for the better shooters. Maybe if he shows consistency at the mid range jump shots, he becomes useful for some pick and roll, pick and pop, though it would be preferable for him to dive to the basket, rim run or kick out to open shooters if teams rotate after doubling Curry.

Warriors don't need him to be taking 3s unless he's left wide open and in practice he's shown enough proficiency at hitting that shot.


I agree with this for the most part.

Only handles he really needs is a quick couple dribble direct line to hoop. Also, basic straight line secure dribbling because it would be amazing if he could get a board and get out and dribble a bit instead of just having to hold the ball and wait for a guard. There's also some skill to dribbling with back to basket to avoid turnovers, which I haven't seen him practicing in these clips.

really don't need him crossing people over, going behind the back, between legs, etc lol


In early March I was listening to a draft podcast, I believe it was on the Ringer, and they were talking about Wiseman and it was mentioned by one of the people on the show that Wiseman was asked to compare himself to a few players and threw out the typical names -- David Robinson, Anthony Davis -- and then mentioned Pascal Siakam, which is... not a good comparison. It's a little alarming if that's how he views himself and what he can bring to the table.
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Post#148 » by Warriors Analyst » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:09 pm

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Mav_Carter wrote:Danny Ainge has fallen in love with Lamelo Ball per one of my zoom sources...Celtics are willing to offer Marcus Smart, Daniel Theis, Romeo Langford, and all 3 picks for Wiggins and the rights to the next Luka Doncic...

Pass. Just stay at #2 and draft a stud like Wiseman. Warriors need quality >quantity right now.

Curry/Klay/Wiggins/Draymond/Wiseman....add some quality depth using the trade exception and taxpayer mle. That team is legit.


Mav Carter / Khoee doesn't have a reliable track record with predictions. The only thing he got right was about 13 years ago regarding the failed KG trade involving J-Rich. This hypothetical trade is almost certainly not real, but if it were, you'd be insane to say no. Smart has arguably been Boston's second best player in the playoffs. He's a stud defender who can guard 1-4 even at his size and he can handle the ball and has the guts to take open threes. Theiss is a very solid starting center who would look great next to Draymond. Ainge would be insane to offer this and we'd be insane to turn it down.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#149 » by jason bourne » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:14 pm

Klay likes Okongwu!!! More on Deni.

Read on Twitter


Not the real Klay Thompson. Okongwu would take some time to develop, but not as long as Wiseman I think. I rather have Deni at #2, but drafting a big who can shore up the defense and block shots is a good idea. It would help Klay and Steph release earlier and Klay might not have gotten hurt last year if there was a big man.

Man, I hope the Warriors can get MRob!!!
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#150 » by Phase 3 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:54 am

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Mav_Carter wrote:Danny Ainge has fallen in love with Lamelo Ball per one of my zoom sources...Celtics are willing to offer Marcus Smart, Daniel Theis, Romeo Langford, and all 3 picks for Wiggins and the rights to the next Luka Doncic...

Pass. Just stay at #2 and draft a stud like Wiseman. Warriors need quality >quantity right now.

Curry/Klay/Wiggins/Draymond/Wiseman....add some quality depth using the trade exception and taxpayer mle. That team is legit.


Mav Carter / Khoee doesn't have a reliable track record with predictions. The only thing he got right was about 13 years ago regarding the failed KG trade involving J-Rich. This hypothetical trade is almost certainly not real, but if it were, you'd be insane to say no. Smart has arguably been Boston's second best player in the playoffs. He's a stud defender who can guard 1-4 even at his size and he can handle the ball and has the guts to take open threes. Theiss is a very solid starting center who would look great next to Draymond. Ainge would be insane to offer this and we'd be insane to turn it down.

Yeah I know Khoee just throws stuff out there...it’s cool, we’re all just passing time.

As for the question at hand, I really like Wiseman and I’m warming to Deni(although I admit it’s tough to get a good read on Deni)....I think there’s a strong chance Wiseman is the real deal. So yeah, I’m not into any scenario that has the Warriors trading the #2 overall pick unless it’s for an absolute proven star.

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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#151 » by TB » Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:09 am

not sure what i find more hilarious:

1) People taking Mav's fake trade serious rather than clear satire
or
2) people then actually saying they wouldn't do that trade

Of course you take Smart/Theis/Langford and a million picks lol. Celtics wouldn't do it obviously.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#152 » by Phase 3 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:55 am

In the NBA, the team that gets the best player in a trade almost always wins the deal.

Wiseman will be the TRUTH for the Warriors.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#153 » by ShayDee » Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:57 am

If teams play us zone defense and we have an offensively inept center, we are done. Wiseman will take jumpers over these guys

We lucky we have Draymond and Kerr as a coach. At least we cut and move offball and Draymond can find some guys. Teams like Houston and Boston just stand around and have no one that can pass. Will be difficult trying to score against zone
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Post#154 » by AdonalFoyle4Prez » Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:11 am

I'm getting tired of our #2 pick possibilities, and have started looking more for 2nd round picks/steals (More so, Draft & Stash), and particular wing I found intriguing was Barcelona's / Argentina's Leandro Bolmaro.

He screams in likeness of MANU GINOBILI (Guess he is from Argentina), and he's still pretty young at 20 years old. He has crafty yet above-average ball-handling and flashy and willing passer, attacks the rim relentlessly, and has potential on defense due to his anticipation for clean pick-pocketing and quick hands. Only knock on him is that he's a streaky shooter, inconsistent, and needs to add more weight/muscle to absorb contact -- Just like Manu when he was at that age. Don't know how the Euroleague and other international bball leagues work, but his best performances (stat-wise) was in Barcelona's LEB Silver league. But, I think he'd probably would still play overseas for the next 1-2 years to polish his game and get better.

If Coach Kerr were to watch some of this kid's videos, he's going to chuckle on how eerie it is to see a player play like his former teammate.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#155 » by ClutchUp » Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:07 am

jason bourne wrote:Klay likes Okongwu!!! More on Deni.

Read on Twitter


Not the real Klay Thompson. Okongwu would take some time to develop, but not as long as Wiseman I think. I rather have Deni at #2, but drafting a big who can shore up the defense and block shots is a good idea. It would help Klay and Steph release earlier and Klay might not have gotten hurt last year if there was a big man.

Man, I hope the Warriors can get MRob!!!


What really separates Wiseman from Okongwu? Is it upside?
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#156 » by ShayDee » Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:11 am

ClutchUp wrote:What really separates Wiseman from Okongwu? Is it upside?

Wiseman has more upside. Okongwu just defends better currently
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#157 » by Onus » Fri Sep 18, 2020 4:43 pm

ShayDee wrote:If teams play us zone defense and we have an offensively inept center, we are done. Wiseman will take jumpers over these guys

We lucky we have Draymond and Kerr as a coach. At least we cut and move offball and Draymond can find some guys. Teams like Houston and Boston just stand around and have no one that can pass. Will be difficult trying to score against zone

With more teams implementing zone concepts the more you want better passers with more movement.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#158 » by Mav_Carter » Fri Sep 18, 2020 4:54 pm

The warriorsworld account promoting Deni is a sign that the team likes him...
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#159 » by wco81 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:53 pm

Israel has compulsive military service.

Will that be a factor in Deni's career?
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#160 » by Phase 3 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:09 pm

Spoiler:
Mav_Carter wrote:The warriorsworld account promoting Deni is a sign that the team likes him...

Deni is very intriguing but there’s also quite a bit of risk there imo....and this Warriors management team hasn’t had the best luck drafting foreign players.

I’d totally understand rolling the dice on him if Wiseman is off the board. But if Wiseman is there, they’d have to reallyyyyy believe in Deni to pull that trigger. JMO.

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