2019-2020 College/Draft thread IX (Knicks own #8 pick, 11/18 DRAFT) - Picking 8 who do you NOT want???

[EMG518]

Or Nesmith and vassell

or Terry and Patrick Williiams

Terry @27 no way at 8 or 10 for me

I think he is better than Nesmith and Vassell.

[moocow007]

or Terry and Patrick Williiams

Terry @27 no way at 8 or 10 for me

I think he is better than Nesmith and Vassell.

Hmm.

I like Terry better than Nesmith that's for sure. I do not see much of anything more than a role playing jump shooter in Nesmith. I don't think Nesmith's physical tools will translate on the defensive end where he can be a 3 and D type (meaning I just see a 3 type). Vassell has the potential to evolve into something more than just a jump shooter, do see 3 and D (2 and D) type that potentially can create some for himself. Both guys upside is limited though with Nesmith's more so than Vassell's.

Terry is interesting. I see a guy with a lot of talent, with a lot of poise and a very good feel for the game (flow, teammates, spacing, defense, etc., etc.). My concern is the size and average athleticism but as we've seen you really don't need that to be successful in the NBA (see Steph Curry). Assuming everyone maximizes their potential, I see more potential in Terry than either Nesmith or Vassell for sure.

Will say that when I watch Terry play you can see that certain something that says, yeah this kid knows what he's doing and can be real real good in the NBA down the road when he gets stronger and older that a lot of guys heading into the draft don't have. I'm going to stop short of saying "star quality" but there is something about Terry's game that really is fascinating.

But I think the issue is you want to maximize the value of your picks given the position that it's at. So if I get the sense that teams value more establish roles and have guys like Vassell and Nesmith higher, then it would be more value for me to trade down, grab some additional something else and still draft the guy that I'm real high on (Terry). There are also a lot of point guard(ish) types in this draft which will dilute things at that position. Drafting Terry right there at 8? Yeah I don't think that would be the best move regardless of whether you think Terry is better or not in the long run.

Honestly, the Knicks basically got the 8th pick in a draft that has a 1st group of 6 or 7 guys LOL. As such I honestly would be looking to either move up or move down or move out. Don't really see, for the Knicks, a lot of value at staying at 8.

[DowNY]

I know nothing about RJ Hampton.

Can someone tell me why he’s not good?

Basic knocks against Hampton: Loose handles makes it questionable that he can handle the point in the NBA, lacks ability to create shots off the dribble, doesn't shoot from 3, questionable intensity and inconsistent motor.

Basic pluses for Hampton: Hyped HS player, nice NBA athleticism, potential to play both back court positions, can finish, solid mid range game, some defensive upside and versatility.

I have seen comparisons to guys like Wil Barton (pretty good NBA player) and Dante Exum (kinda a flub).

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[DowNY]

I know nothing about RJ Hampton.

Can someone tell me why he’s not good?

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This shows his makes and misses from last season. He played in the same league as LaMelo, against grown men.
The biggest con for me is his over aggressiveness. I don’t see Exum in him though. Besides literally looking like him. The attitude and demeanor are so different.

[DowNY]

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[moocow007]

I know nothing about RJ Hampton.

Can someone tell me why he’s not good?

Basic knocks against Hampton: Loose handles makes it questionable that he can handle the point in the NBA, lacks ability to create shots off the dribble, doesn't shoot from 3, questionable intensity and inconsistent motor.

Basic pluses for Hampton: Hyped HS player, nice NBA athleticism, potential to play both back court positions, can finish, solid mid range game, some defensive upside and versatility.

I have seen comparisons to guys like Wil Barton (pretty good NBA player) and Dante Exum (kinda a flub).

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If it was only that easy to learn how to shoot an NBA 3 is the problem.

[DaGawd]

FK IT..Take Hampton and don't look back

[Infinitimind]

FK IT..Take Hampton and don't look back

With our second pick , yes. Okoro with the 8th pick. The Knicks to find the best shooting coach out there and make that investment.

[YungKnicks]

Hampton is a Big Project he is a low low 1st or a 2nd round pick.... end of story. Kid doesn't even have a Hizzie side step back three... smh. No half court game. No jumper shot, loose handle, 6'5 skinny etc.... = 2nd rd pick

[Zenzibar]

Terry @27 no way at 8 or 10 for me

I think he is better than Nesmith and Vassell.

Hmm.

I like Terry better than Nesmith that's for sure. I do not see much of anything more than a role playing jump shooter in Nesmith. I don't think Nesmith's physical tools will translate on the defensive end where he can be a 3 and D type (meaning I just see a 3 type). Vassell has the potential to evolve into something more than just a jump shooter, do see 3 and D (2 and D) type that potentially can create some for himself. Both guys upside is limited though with Nesmith's more so than Vassell's.

Terry is interesting. I see a guy with a lot of talent, with a lot of poise and a very good feel for the game (flow, teammates, spacing, defense, etc., etc.). My concern is the size and average athleticism but as we've seen you really don't need that to be successful in the NBA (see Steph Curry). Assuming everyone maximizes their potential, I see more potential in Terry than either Nesmith or Vassell for sure.

Will say that when I watch Terry play you can see that certain something that says, yeah this kid knows what he's doing and can be real real good in the NBA down the road when he gets stronger and older that a lot of guys heading into the draft don't have. I'm going to stop short of saying "star quality" but there is something about Terry's game that really is fascinating.

But I think the issue is you want to maximize the value of your picks given the position that it's at. So if I get the sense that teams value more establish roles and have guys like Vassell and Nesmith higher, then it would be more value for me to trade down, grab some additional something else and still draft the guy that I'm real high on (Terry). There are also a lot of point guard(ish) types in this draft which will dilute things at that position. Drafting Terry right there at 8? Yeah I don't think that would be the best move regardless of whether you think Terry is better or not in the long run.

Honestly, the Knicks basically got the 8th pick in a draft that has a 1st group of 6 or 7 guys LOL. As such I honestly would be looking to either move up or move down or move out. Don't really see, for the Knicks, a lot of value at staying at 8.

Yes sir.
Terry has been on the radar for awhile, the kid is a stud. Now Vassell is extremely talented as a 3D guy, Okoro as a defensive stud or Williams as a versatile big.

But dam can Terry shoot and that IQ, the absolute best in this class.

[thebuzzardman]

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The guys voice on these videos.
He should be selling Shamwows or doing voiceover on commercials for Nickelodean.

[DowNY]

Hampton is a Big Project he is a low low 1st or a 2nd round pick.... end of story. Kid doesn't even have a Hizzie side step back three... smh. No half court game. No jumper shot, loose handle, 6'5 skinny etc.... = 2nd rd pick

End of story because you say it is? Not how it works
There’s current mocks that has him going to the Spurs in the lottery and going to a team like the Jazz at 20.
Dude was top 5 just last year. These are all prospects. Besides you reaching for cons, who’s to say he’s not improving?

[thebuzzardman]

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“ Empire Sports Media has learned yesterday that the Knicks have made their due diligence on Florida State University’s 3-and-D prospect Devin Vassell along with his one-and-done teammate Patrick Williams, the youngest college player in the Draft.

According to a highly placed source, the Knicks made a thorough background check on both players which wasn’t only confined to the coaching staff.


Very interesting, could we possibly leave the draft with both??

Would absolutely love that.

FSU should have been a final four team unless a major upset occurred. Their system might fit well with what Thibs wants to do, and both Vassell and Williams got more upside than their time in college showed because their coach believed in strictly managing minutes.

Villanova seems like a program that's a good fit with Thibs as well.

Saddiq Bey anyone?
Well, if the Knicks had a pick around 16...

[thebuzzardman]

Or, more to the point, if people aren't sold on the PG's at 8 and are thinking Vessel, why not Bey?

He seems to offer a similar skill set, with a touch less athleticism but more bball skills already displayed

[sol537]

I would keep the 8th and try to trade up with our other 2 picks and cash. Or take on some salary for another top 10-20 pick.

[moocow007]

Or, more to the point, if people aren't sold on the PG's at 8 and are thinking Vessel, why not Bey?

He seems to offer a similar skill set, with a touch less athleticism but more bball skills already displayed

Personally, I think Vassell has a higher ceiling and that his package will play better in the NBA. Eye test from my standpoint. But at 8, unless someone drops, no one is really ideal IMO to make me want to stay at 8. If I'm focusing on a lower ceiling player with perhaps a more defined modern NBA game or a high risk/upside type raw player (guys you really start having to look at starting at 8) I'd probably be looking to move the pick (to move up, down, out). Not a fan of our draft spot at all.

[RHODEY]

I think he is better than Nesmith and Vassell.

Hmm.

I like Terry better than Nesmith that's for sure. I do not see much of anything more than a role playing jump shooter in Nesmith. I don't think Nesmith's physical tools will translate on the defensive end where he can be a 3 and D type (meaning I just see a 3 type). Vassell has the potential to evolve into something more than just a jump shooter, do see 3 and D (2 and D) type that potentially can create some for himself. Both guys upside is limited though with Nesmith's more so than Vassell's.

Terry is interesting. I see a guy with a lot of talent, with a lot of poise and a very good feel for the game (flow, teammates, spacing, defense, etc., etc.). My concern is the size and average athleticism but as we've seen you really don't need that to be successful in the NBA (see Steph Curry). Assuming everyone maximizes their potential, I see more potential in Terry than either Nesmith or Vassell for sure.

Will say that when I watch Terry play you can see that certain something that says, yeah this kid knows what he's doing and can be real real good in the NBA down the road when he gets stronger and older that a lot of guys heading into the draft don't have. I'm going to stop short of saying "star quality" but there is something about Terry's game that really is fascinating.

But I think the issue is you want to maximize the value of your picks given the position that it's at. So if I get the sense that teams value more establish roles and have guys like Vassell and Nesmith higher, then it would be more value for me to trade down, grab some additional something else and still draft the guy that I'm real high on (Terry). There are also a lot of point guard(ish) types in this draft which will dilute things at that position. Drafting Terry right there at 8? Yeah I don't think that would be the best move regardless of whether you think Terry is better or not in the long run.

Honestly, the Knicks basically got the 8th pick in a draft that has a 1st group of 6 or 7 guys LOL. As such I honestly would be looking to either move up or move down or move out. Don't really see, for the Knicks, a lot of value at staying at 8.

Yes sir.
Terry has been on the radar for awhile, the kid is a stud. Now Vassell is extremely talented as a 3D guy, Okoro as a defensive stud or Williams as a versatile big.

But dam can Terry shoot and that IQ, the absolute best in this class.

Maybe I need to take a closer look, I've had doubts his shooting would translate to the league due to the lack of size and athleticism, but Maybe Im wrong.

[stuporman]

Absorb Oubre for the 10 then trade the 8 and 10 to move to top 4 while also trading Randle to Utah for Conley and 23 so the Knicks come away with Oubre and Conley while moving up in the lottery and adding an additional late 1st. Unless they can also turn the 2 later picks into one around 15 that would work as well.

If this happens just call me stupodamous....

[DaGawd]

Absorb Oubre for the 10 then trade the 8 and 10 to move to top 4 while also trading Randle to Utah for Conley and 23 so the Knicks come away with Oubre and Conley while moving up in the lottery and adding an additional late 1st. Unless they can also turn the 2 later picks into one around 15 that would work as well.

If this happens just call me stupodamous....

Think I read something about Utah leaning against doing the Randle for Conley deal because they want to preserve spacing

[TheGreenArrow]

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