Trade Ideas Thread

[100proof]

Horford would be super helpful right now against the zones and with his pick and pop. Not worth his money, but If you 3 team with Hayward to GSW and get #2 back that go down easier. Wiggins to PHI, balance out with lesser picks/assets

Right now, I would do that deal.

Only issue is at number 2 you are picking Wiseman, Meaning we would have Horford, Theis, Wiseman, Timelord, Kanter and Poirier all at center,.

Would need to offload a boatload of other centers off the team.

Perhaps

Theis and Hayward to GSW

Wiggins to Philly

Horford and #2 to Boston

[Maple Green]

I would rather trade
Boston Out: Hayward,#26,#30, Poirer
For GSW, Wiggins and #2 pick

Then:

Boston trade Wiggins,Brown, Kanter,#2 and #14 pick
for Milwaukee for Giannis (S&T)

[100proof]

I would rather trade
Boston Out: Hayward,#26,#30, Poirer
For GSW, Wiggins and #2 pick

Then:

Boston trade Wiggins,Brown, Kanter,#2 and #14 pick
for Milwaukee for Giannis (S&T)

Sure, done and done.

Love Brown, but if Giannis was here I would already be over it.

Kemba
Smart
Tatum
Giannis
Theis

[SmartWentCrazy]

The Comedian, can I bump our Smart/Brown for Simmons idea?

not sure we do that, but I would imagine Philly jumps all over that

Not sure a mental midget like Simmons will help the effort/mentality on the intangibles side. And definitely not sure it’d help the shooting needed to beat zones.

Definitely would help on the talent part, though

[Feed Your Head]

not sure we do that, but I would imagine Philly jumps all over that

Not sure a mental midget like Simmons will help the effort/mentality on the intangibles side. And definitely not sure it’d help the shooting needed to beat zones.

Definitely would help on the talent part, though

Simmons and Tatum would be incredible together.

Also, pair Simmons with shooters and throw him in the middle against a zone.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Not sure a mental midget like Simmons will help the effort/mentality on the intangibles side. And definitely not sure it’d help the shooting needed to beat zones.

Definitely would help on the talent part, though

Simmons and Tatum would be incredible together.

Also, pair Simmons with shooters and throw him in the middle against a zone.

Yah, pretty sure he’d crush it from the nail.

[CelticsPride18]

Find a way to move up for Haliburton. It’s evident we need more high IQ players on this team.

[100proof]

Here we go, Circumnavigating the cap rules a little, but it is all legal.

Kings in: Romeo, Kanter, Poirier
Out: Bjelica

Kings add youth for nothing

Toronto in: Bjelica, #26
Out: Serge Ibaka S&T Serge is most likely moving on as Toronto seems to be lining up as much capspace as possible for 2021 to add to FVV/OG and Siakam core. Ibaka and Gasol seem left out. This gives Toronto a pinch Center for a year and gives them a pick for facilitating the S&T of Ibaka.

Boston out: Romeo, Kanter, Poirier and #26
In: Ibaka (3 years 9 mill per)
Boston adds an ideal center for the system.

Kemba/Smart
Brown/
Hayward/
Tatum/GrantW
Ibaka/Theis/Timelord

Assets left to use are #14, #30, Seconds, vet min

Alternative idea is:
Hayward, Romeo and Timelord to Minny

James Johnson #26 and #30 to Toronto

#17, Ibaka (3 years 9 mill) and NAz Reid to Boston (also creates a TPE of about 25 million)

Kemba/
Smart/
Brown/Grant W
Tatum/Theis
Ibaka/Reid

assets left to use, Large TPE, MLE, #14, #17 second rounders.

[batabatuta]

3/4 of our bench next season should be vet shooters and shot creators who are not undersized. 1/4 would be Grant and the rookies. Wanamaker, Kanter, Theis, Semi, Hayward are likely to be gone next season. Langford is injury prone trade him while you can. All the rest can go.

[FlatearthZorro]

3/4 of our bench next season should be vet shooters and shot creators who are not undersized. 1/4 would be Grant and the rookies. Wanamaker, Kanter, Theis, Semi, Hayward are likely to be gone next season. Langford is injury prone trade him while you can. All the rest can go.

True, we need at least 1 more guy outside of Wannamaker who can contribute "something" on offense. Our bench has been abysmal especially with Hayward being hurt.

[Celts17Pride]

If I am Danny Ainge the number one trade target is Atlanta’s John Collins.

Grant Williams, Romeo Langford, #14, #26, 2021 1st a good start.

May not be enough but Collins is the perfect player and age to grow with Tatum, Brown, Smart, Walker, Hayward, Theis and RW3. Atlanta may not want to pay him.

[BK_2020]

Why would you want a player that even Atlanta doesn't want? Smdh.

[100proof]

Why would you want a player that even Atlanta doesn't want? Smdh.

Atlanta MIGHT not want him because:
1) They are not winning with him and Trae
2) They may not want to pay him
3) Collins may not like being there.
4) Collins is best served as being a center, and Atlanta now has Dedmon and Capela there.

[100proof]

If I am Danny Ainge the number one trade target is Atlanta’s John Collins.

Grant Williams, Romeo Langford, #14, #26, 2021 1st a good start.

May not be enough but Collins is the perfect player and age to grow with Tatum, Brown, Smart, Walker, Hayward, Theis and RW3. Atlanta may not want to pay him.

Ma

Danny apparently was asking during the season about him.

[hugepatsfan]

We need SHOOTERS. Not just guys who can shoot, I'm talking real shooters. Guy who you say shooting is a strength for.

Brown, Smart, Theis, Wanamaker, Ojeleye, Grant all "can shoot" in the sense that they post respectable or even good percentages. But think from the perspective of if we were defending a team with all those players. They're the type of guys you know can and will knock down shots, but you accept that because you don't consider it something that will kill you. Then guys like Kanter or R Williams are just total non shooters. Even Kemba and Tatum, while good shooters, seem to prefer to shoot off the dribble vs spot up. Hayward is the only guy we have who I consider a really good catch & shoot guy. That's not enough.

I posted trades last night, but I strongly feel that Tony Snell in DET and Bjelica in SAC, as well as DJ Augustine as a MLE target, would have TREMENDOUS impact on this team. For one, it lengthens the rotation because it gives us more offensively passable players. That and Hayward coming back would allow us to better balance rotations. You can start Kemba/Brown/Hayward/Tatum and then sit two of them for Smart and one of the shooters (Augustine, Snell, Bjelica). You can line it up so that you always have 3 of our great perimeter players out there together (Smart/Kemba/Brown/Hayward/Tatum) and you don't have to play them all 40 minutes to do it. Miami didn't play a guy over 35 minutes last night. That helps teams continue to play hard for 48 minutes if they get sufficient rest.

Kanter + Poirier is enough salary to take back Tony Snell. DET adds about $7M of cap room once you factor in one less roster hold on top of the salary savings. I think they'd take that, especially if we sent some cash to waive Poirier since he's probably not roster worthy.

Carsen + Green + Semi + #26 is enough outgoing salary and value to land Bjelica. I think they'd go for it. Semi is playable, Carsen is a cheap flier, #26 is still a 1st rounder even if late and Green is worthy of a backend roster spot.

I think a 1 year MLE deal is fair value for Augustine. He's at the later stages of his career where you'd think he wants to be on good teams too. He has a history playing with Kemba too.

That would add not 1, not 2 but THREE real SHOOTERS to the rotation. It also adds flexibility to capitalize on mid season trades as an added bonus, since they're movable salaries. We'd still have Langford/R WIlliams/G Williams/#14 pick as pieces with value to use in deals should opportunities arise.

Kemba / Augustine
Brown / Smart / Langford
Hayward / Snell
Tatum / G Williams
Theis / Bjelica / R Williams

That team is still as good on defense as the current version for the most part (Bjelica is better than Kanter because everyone is lol, Snell is probably not as good as Semi but he's quality, Augustine is admittedly a downgrade from Wanamaker). We're seeing Kemba and Tatum be stifled by traps, doubles and strong help defense. The #1 way to reduce how much defenses can do that is by putting better shooters on the 3 point line. These moves here would MASSIVELY open the floor up.

[100proof]

We need SHOOTERS. Not just guys who can shoot, I'm talking real shooters. Guy who you say shooting is a strength for.

Brown, Smart, Theis, Wanamaker, Ojeleye, Grant all "can shoot" in the sense that they post respectable or even good percentages. But think from the perspective of if we were defending a team with all those players. They're the type of guys you know can and will knock down shots, but you accept that because you don't consider it something that will kill you. Then guys like Kanter or R Williams are just total non shooters. Even Kemba and Tatum, while good shooters, seem to prefer to shoot off the dribble vs spot up. Hayward is the only guy we have who I consider a really good catch & shoot guy. That's not enough.

I posted trades last night, but I strongly feel that Tony Snell in DET and Bjelica in SAC, as well as DJ Augustine as a MLE target, would have TREMENDOUS impact on this team. For one, it lengthens the rotation because it gives us more offensively passable players. That and Hayward coming back would allow us to better balance rotations. You can start Kemba/Brown/Hayward/Tatum and then sit two of them for Smart and one of the shooters (Augustine, Snell, Bjelica). You can line it up so that you always have 3 of our great perimeter players out there together (Smart/Kemba/Brown/Hayward/Tatum) and you don't have to play them all 40 minutes to do it. Miami didn't play a guy over 35 minutes last night. That helps teams continue to play hard for 48 minutes if they get sufficient rest.

Kanter + Poirier is enough salary to take back Tony Snell. DET adds about $7M of cap room once you factor in one less roster hold on top of the salary savings. I think they'd take that, especially if we sent some cash to waive Poirier since he's probably not roster worthy.

Carsen + Green + Semi + #26 is enough outgoing salary and value to land Bjelica. I think they'd go for it. Semi is playable, Carsen is a cheap flier, #26 is still a 1st rounder even if late and Green is worthy of a backend roster spot.

I think a 1 year MLE deal is fair value for Augustine. He's at the later stages of his career where you'd think he wants to be on good teams too. He has a history playing with Kemba too.

That would add not 1, not 2 but THREE real SHOOTERS to the rotation. It also adds flexibility to capitalize on mid season trades as an added bonus, since they're movable salaries. We'd still have Langford/R WIlliams/G Williams/#14 pick as pieces with value to use in deals should opportunities arise.

Kemba / Augustine
Brown / Smart / Langford
Hayward / Snell
Tatum / G Williams
Theis / Bjelica / R Williams

That team is still as good on defense as the current version for the most part (Bjelica is better than Kanter because everyone is lol, Snell is probably not as good as Semi but he's quality, Augustine is admittedly a downgrade from Wanamaker). We're seeing Kemba and Tatum be stifled by traps, doubles and strong help defense. The #1 way to reduce how much defenses can do that is by putting better shooters on the 3 point line. These moves here would MASSIVELY open the floor up.

Only read the 1st line and liked and quoted.

I think Bjelica can start against alot of teams in the league with his knock down shooting from deep. Would really open the floor for Kemba to collapse the defenses off of drives. Theis doesnt shoot from the outside so that allows defenders to sag off him.

I am not sure about Augustine. I think there are other/better options available for the MLE we will have (Burks, Bazemore, Connaughton, Bryn Forbes, Etwan Moore) Far superior offense and/or shooting to Augustine and can just move Smart to PG off the bench.

Off the bench Smart and Bjelica pick and roll all day with Snell in the corner.

But, ideally on a bench with Smart, Snell and Bjelica (all shooters) We would want a guy who can go Iso and break down the defense, Someone fast with the ball who can get into the middle. So for me a few names come to mind for that role.

Smith JR
Delon Wright
Alec Burks
Etwan Moore
Kent Bazemore

All these guys are averaging over 4 drives per game in limited minutes (less than 24)

[hugepatsfan]

We need SHOOTERS. Not just guys who can shoot, I'm talking real shooters. Guy who you say shooting is a strength for.

Brown, Smart, Theis, Wanamaker, Ojeleye, Grant all "can shoot" in the sense that they post respectable or even good percentages. But think from the perspective of if we were defending a team with all those players. They're the type of guys you know can and will knock down shots, but you accept that because you don't consider it something that will kill you. Then guys like Kanter or R Williams are just total non shooters. Even Kemba and Tatum, while good shooters, seem to prefer to shoot off the dribble vs spot up. Hayward is the only guy we have who I consider a really good catch & shoot guy. That's not enough.

I posted trades last night, but I strongly feel that Tony Snell in DET and Bjelica in SAC, as well as DJ Augustine as a MLE target, would have TREMENDOUS impact on this team. For one, it lengthens the rotation because it gives us more offensively passable players. That and Hayward coming back would allow us to better balance rotations. You can start Kemba/Brown/Hayward/Tatum and then sit two of them for Smart and one of the shooters (Augustine, Snell, Bjelica). You can line it up so that you always have 3 of our great perimeter players out there together (Smart/Kemba/Brown/Hayward/Tatum) and you don't have to play them all 40 minutes to do it. Miami didn't play a guy over 35 minutes last night. That helps teams continue to play hard for 48 minutes if they get sufficient rest.

Kanter + Poirier is enough salary to take back Tony Snell. DET adds about $7M of cap room once you factor in one less roster hold on top of the salary savings. I think they'd take that, especially if we sent some cash to waive Poirier since he's probably not roster worthy.

Carsen + Green + Semi + #26 is enough outgoing salary and value to land Bjelica. I think they'd go for it. Semi is playable, Carsen is a cheap flier, #26 is still a 1st rounder even if late and Green is worthy of a backend roster spot.

I think a 1 year MLE deal is fair value for Augustine. He's at the later stages of his career where you'd think he wants to be on good teams too. He has a history playing with Kemba too.

That would add not 1, not 2 but THREE real SHOOTERS to the rotation. It also adds flexibility to capitalize on mid season trades as an added bonus, since they're movable salaries. We'd still have Langford/R WIlliams/G Williams/#14 pick as pieces with value to use in deals should opportunities arise.

Kemba / Augustine
Brown / Smart / Langford
Hayward / Snell
Tatum / G Williams
Theis / Bjelica / R Williams

That team is still as good on defense as the current version for the most part (Bjelica is better than Kanter because everyone is lol, Snell is probably not as good as Semi but he's quality, Augustine is admittedly a downgrade from Wanamaker). We're seeing Kemba and Tatum be stifled by traps, doubles and strong help defense. The #1 way to reduce how much defenses can do that is by putting better shooters on the 3 point line. These moves here would MASSIVELY open the floor up.

Only read the 1st line and liked and quoted.

I think Bjelica can start against alot of teams in the league with his knock down shooting from deep. Would really open the floor for Kemba to collapse the defenses off of drives. Theis doesnt shoot from the outside so that allows defenders to sag off him.

I am not sure about Augustine. I think there are other/better options available for the MLE we will have (Burks, Bazemore, Connaughton, Bryn Forbes, Etwan Moore) Far superior offense and/or shooting to Augustine and can just move Smart to PG off the bench.

Off the bench Smart and Bjelica pick and roll all day with Snell in the corner.

But, ideally on a bench with Smart, Snell and Bjelica (all shooters) We would want a guy who can go Iso and break down the defense, Someone fast with the ball who can get into the middle. So for me a few names come to mind for that role.

Smith JR
Delon Wright
Alec Burks
Etwan Moore
Kent Bazemore

All these guys are averaging over 4 drives per game in limited minutes (less than 24)

That works for me. My thinking is more around playoff rotations though. With that lineup I put, I would always have at least two of Kemba/Brown/Hayward/Tatum out there with Smart. I'm lining up rotations so I never have less than 3 of Kemba/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Smart out there together in the playoff rotation. So Snell and Augustine/one of those guys you brought up would just be filling 10-15 minutes each around the main guys.

Only way they're consistently touching it is C&S opportunities and as another PG I trust Augustine to make the best reads for swing passes and attacking close outs in those situations. That's why I preferred him. But same idea really applies the shooters you brought up. Not much of a Wright fan though because he doesn't shoot.

In the regular season where minutes aren't extended, can definitely see more of what you're saying be a factor. But I'm done really caring out our regular seasons at this point. I'm all about how the playoff rotation shakes out.

[100proof]

We need SHOOTERS. Not just guys who can shoot, I'm talking real shooters. Guy who you say shooting is a strength for.

Brown, Smart, Theis, Wanamaker, Ojeleye, Grant all "can shoot" in the sense that they post respectable or even good percentages. But think from the perspective of if we were defending a team with all those players. They're the type of guys you know can and will knock down shots, but you accept that because you don't consider it something that will kill you. Then guys like Kanter or R Williams are just total non shooters. Even Kemba and Tatum, while good shooters, seem to prefer to shoot off the dribble vs spot up. Hayward is the only guy we have who I consider a really good catch & shoot guy. That's not enough.

I posted trades last night, but I strongly feel that Tony Snell in DET and Bjelica in SAC, as well as DJ Augustine as a MLE target, would have TREMENDOUS impact on this team. For one, it lengthens the rotation because it gives us more offensively passable players. That and Hayward coming back would allow us to better balance rotations. You can start Kemba/Brown/Hayward/Tatum and then sit two of them for Smart and one of the shooters (Augustine, Snell, Bjelica). You can line it up so that you always have 3 of our great perimeter players out there together (Smart/Kemba/Brown/Hayward/Tatum) and you don't have to play them all 40 minutes to do it. Miami didn't play a guy over 35 minutes last night. That helps teams continue to play hard for 48 minutes if they get sufficient rest.

Kanter + Poirier is enough salary to take back Tony Snell. DET adds about $7M of cap room once you factor in one less roster hold on top of the salary savings. I think they'd take that, especially if we sent some cash to waive Poirier since he's probably not roster worthy.

Carsen + Green + Semi + #26 is enough outgoing salary and value to land Bjelica. I think they'd go for it. Semi is playable, Carsen is a cheap flier, #26 is still a 1st rounder even if late and Green is worthy of a backend roster spot.

I think a 1 year MLE deal is fair value for Augustine. He's at the later stages of his career where you'd think he wants to be on good teams too. He has a history playing with Kemba too.

That would add not 1, not 2 but THREE real SHOOTERS to the rotation. It also adds flexibility to capitalize on mid season trades as an added bonus, since they're movable salaries. We'd still have Langford/R WIlliams/G Williams/#14 pick as pieces with value to use in deals should opportunities arise.

Kemba / Augustine
Brown / Smart / Langford
Hayward / Snell
Tatum / G Williams
Theis / Bjelica / R Williams

That team is still as good on defense as the current version for the most part (Bjelica is better than Kanter because everyone is lol, Snell is probably not as good as Semi but he's quality, Augustine is admittedly a downgrade from Wanamaker). We're seeing Kemba and Tatum be stifled by traps, doubles and strong help defense. The #1 way to reduce how much defenses can do that is by putting better shooters on the 3 point line. These moves here would MASSIVELY open the floor up.

Only read the 1st line and liked and quoted.

I think Bjelica can start against alot of teams in the league with his knock down shooting from deep. Would really open the floor for Kemba to collapse the defenses off of drives. Theis doesnt shoot from the outside so that allows defenders to sag off him.

I am not sure about Augustine. I think there are other/better options available for the MLE we will have (Burks, Bazemore, Connaughton, Bryn Forbes, Etwan Moore) Far superior offense and/or shooting to Augustine and can just move Smart to PG off the bench.

Off the bench Smart and Bjelica pick and roll all day with Snell in the corner.

But, ideally on a bench with Smart, Snell and Bjelica (all shooters) We would want a guy who can go Iso and break down the defense, Someone fast with the ball who can get into the middle. So for me a few names come to mind for that role.

Smith JR
Delon Wright
Alec Burks
Etwan Moore
Kent Bazemore

All these guys are averaging over 4 drives per game in limited minutes (less than 24)

That works for me. My thinking is more around playoff rotations though. With that lineup I put, I would always have at least two of Kemba/Brown/Hayward/Tatum out there with Smart. I'm lining up rotations so I never have less than 3 of Kemba/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Smart out there together in the playoff rotation. So Snell and Augustine/one of those guys you brought up would just be filling 10-15 minutes each around the main guys.

Only way they're consistently touching it is C&S opportunities and as another PG I trust Augustine to make the best reads for swing passes and attacking close outs in those situations. That's why I preferred him. But same idea really applies the shooters you brought up. Not much of a Wright fan though because he doesn't shoot.

In the regular season where minutes aren't extended, can definitely see more of what you're saying be a factor. But I'm done really caring out our regular seasons at this point. I'm all about how the playoff rotation shakes out.

Im on board with that train of thought.

So do we just walk into Danny's office and tell him our plans? Or just give him part 2 of 5 so that we get hired first?

[hugepatsfan]

Spoiler:

Only read the 1st line and liked and quoted.

I think Bjelica can start against alot of teams in the league with his knock down shooting from deep. Would really open the floor for Kemba to collapse the defenses off of drives. Theis doesnt shoot from the outside so that allows defenders to sag off him.

I am not sure about Augustine. I think there are other/better options available for the MLE we will have (Burks, Bazemore, Connaughton, Bryn Forbes, Etwan Moore) Far superior offense and/or shooting to Augustine and can just move Smart to PG off the bench.

Off the bench Smart and Bjelica pick and roll all day with Snell in the corner.

But, ideally on a bench with Smart, Snell and Bjelica (all shooters) We would want a guy who can go Iso and break down the defense, Someone fast with the ball who can get into the middle. So for me a few names come to mind for that role.

Smith JR
Delon Wright
Alec Burks
Etwan Moore
Kent Bazemore

All these guys are averaging over 4 drives per game in limited minutes (less than 24)

That works for me. My thinking is more around playoff rotations though. With that lineup I put, I would always have at least two of Kemba/Brown/Hayward/Tatum out there with Smart. I'm lining up rotations so I never have less than 3 of Kemba/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Smart out there together in the playoff rotation. So Snell and Augustine/one of those guys you brought up would just be filling 10-15 minutes each around the main guys.

Only way they're consistently touching it is C&S opportunities and as another PG I trust Augustine to make the best reads for swing passes and attacking close outs in those situations. That's why I preferred him. But same idea really applies the shooters you brought up. Not much of a Wright fan though because he doesn't shoot.

In the regular season where minutes aren't extended, can definitely see more of what you're saying be a factor. But I'm done really caring out our regular seasons at this point. I'm all about how the playoff rotation shakes out.

Im on board with that train of thought.

So do we just walk into Danny's office and tell him our plans? Or just give him part 2 of 5 so that we get hired first?

Probably gotta run it by Wyc too with all that payroll, even for 1 year haha

[100proof]

Spoiler:

That works for me. My thinking is more around playoff rotations though. With that lineup I put, I would always have at least two of Kemba/Brown/Hayward/Tatum out there with Smart. I'm lining up rotations so I never have less than 3 of Kemba/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Smart out there together in the playoff rotation. So Snell and Augustine/one of those guys you brought up would just be filling 10-15 minutes each around the main guys.

Only way they're consistently touching it is C&S opportunities and as another PG I trust Augustine to make the best reads for swing passes and attacking close outs in those situations. That's why I preferred him. But same idea really applies the shooters you brought up. Not much of a Wright fan though because he doesn't shoot.

In the regular season where minutes aren't extended, can definitely see more of what you're saying be a factor. But I'm done really caring out our regular seasons at this point. I'm all about how the playoff rotation shakes out.

Im on board with that train of thought.

So do we just walk into Danny's office and tell him our plans? Or just give him part 2 of 5 so that we get hired first?

Probably gotta run it by Wyc too with all that payroll, even for 1 year haha

You bring some booze, i live in Canada so I can legally get lots of pot. We will meet at Wycs house. Lol