Miami is in the driver's seat to become a dynasty next summer. Can add 2 max deals to Buter/Herro/Bam!

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Post#61 » by BenoUdrihFTL » Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:05 pm

Pennebaker wrote:Won't matter if they have to face LeBron and AD in the Finals. They still won't be good enough.

Really think LeBron is just gonna play at a top 3 level into perpetuity? Hold onto that rope I guess
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Post#62 » by Paz » Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:08 pm

levon wrote:How would they afford 2 max + Butler?


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Post#63 » by Rapcity_11 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:10 pm

HeartBreakKid wrote:There's hardly any good free agents this summer.


This thread is about 2021.
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Post#64 » by mademan » Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:11 pm

Kawhi flaming out next year and deciding to take his talents to Miami. I already see it happening
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Post#65 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:12 pm

levon wrote:How would they afford 2 max + Butler?


They can't.
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Post#66 » by HeartBreakKid » Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:13 pm

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HeartBreakKid wrote:There's hardly any good free agents this summer.


This thread is about 2021.

oh good catch. yeah...we in trouble.
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Post#67 » by Rapcity_11 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:13 pm

I really don't see Giannis going to Miami.

1. The offensive fit with Bam and Jimmy is terrible.
2. The Heat just beat his ass.
3. The likes being "the guy".
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Post#68 » by turnthewin » Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:16 pm

People said the same thing about the celtics
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Post#69 » by Paz » Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:22 pm

drosereturn wrote:Riley is the type to s&t herro and bam for Giannis tho bc Masai can easily acquire Giannis.
It guarantees a top 3 player and gets rid of players who will get big payday so its not all bad.
Butler, Giannis, and someone like PG 13 will form a dynasty.


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Post#71 » by zimpy27 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:24 pm

bstein14 wrote:Pat Riley has set the heat up to become the next elite team in the NBA. Already a finals caliber team this year, next summer they will have an almost empty roster and they'll be able to add to the Butler/Herro/Bam trio.

Herro will be on $4 million on his rookie deal.
Bam will be an RFA but his cap hold will be only $12 million, so they can sign two max deals and then resign him after.
Butler is making $36 million.

Insane to think they could add Giannis /Oladipo to that trio. Or Giannis and just about any other of a ton of good FAs.

Even if they just land one max guy and resign a few of their current role players I think they're just in an incredible position to really leapfrog the rest of the East including Brooklyn and Boston.


You're overlooking that they need to re-sign Dragic, Crowder and Jones Jr this offseason. Plus they have Robinson and Nunn cap holds in 2021 too. In total they will have about $50m if they don't re-sign Dragic, Crowder, Jones Jr. Whatever they sign them for will eat into the cap.

They have some tough decisions to make in offseason. They likely can't re-sign Dragic if they want a max spot open for 2021.
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Post#73 » by Johnny Bball » Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:27 pm

Paz wrote:
levon wrote:How would they afford 2 max + Butler?


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Post#74 » by HoopsterJones » Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:31 pm

They would lose a lot of depth. Both Dragic and Crowder are free agents after this season (Leonard too). Miami also have two future FRPs going to OKC IIRC. But yeah they could build around Butler, Bam, Herro, D Rob, Nunn. Iggy needs to be dumped though.

Edit. Yikes just saw that they have Ryan Anderson stretched salary eating up $5.2 million per in cap for two more seasons.
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Post#75 » by gom » Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:56 pm

iamoti wrote:Honestly i'm not sure adding a max player is the only way to go. We have 2 young guys in Bam and Herro with tons of potential and room to grow. Bam is just exploring his offensive potential and if he adds a solid jumpshot + decent 3pt shot he would be unstoppable. Herro has shown he can be a quality playmaker and can only get better. Adding a max guy would only slow their progress down. Spo has let them make all the mistakes possible and trusted them to learn and it shows in this playoffs.

What i would do is add someone like Lowry/Jrue Holiday as a starting PG. Move Dragic back to the bench and keep him fresh for the playoffs. We are talking about a 34yo Dragic after all who has a record of injuries.
Beside a PG i would try to replace Olynyk with someone like Ibaka. Maybe package him to the Raptors with Nunn for a sign and trade. I think he's an expiring contract next season.
Resign Dragic to a 1 year 20m+ for the next season and a team friendly deal in 2021
Resign Crowder with the MLE
Resign Meyers Leonard to vet min
Draft a wing player with the 1st round pick
Let DJJ go, He will probably get a good offer elsewhere.

A lineup like this:
Lowry/Dragic/vet min
Robinson/Herro/1st round pick
Butler/Iggy/1st round pick
Crowder/Ibaka/KZ Okpala
Bam/Ibaka/Leonard

I really feel we can win with such a lineup.


I disagree. I feel Miami needs to add a max player. I'd like AD or Giannis or Kawhi. I don't think Lowry or Jrue are good enough.

A few other issues:

Robinson is not a shooting guard.
Meyers Leonard will not sign a vet min. He is worth more. He was our starting center for 50 games.
Likewise, Crowder is worth considerably more than an MLE. You might get him in a multiyear contract for 3/50, but then it complicates bringing a max in 7/2021

I agree that someone will offer Derrick Jones a good deal and Miami should not match. As important as he is (esp the D), we also have Okpala and Silva (who I don't see on your list, btw)).

my take:

Miami should continue to improve organically and sign a star in 2021 if they cannot get AD. If we whiff on AD this offseason, we should go all in on Giannis or Kawhi (it doesn't matter which one).
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Post#76 » by Paz » Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:03 pm

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iamoti wrote:Honestly i'm not sure adding a max player is the only way to go. We have 2 young guys in Bam and Herro with tons of potential and room to grow. Bam is just exploring his offensive potential and if he adds a solid jumpshot + decent 3pt shot he would be unstoppable. Herro has shown he can be a quality playmaker and can only get better. Adding a max guy would only slow their progress down. Spo has let them make all the mistakes possible and trusted them to learn and it shows in this playoffs.

What i would do is add someone like Lowry/Jrue Holiday as a starting PG. Move Dragic back to the bench and keep him fresh for the playoffs. We are talking about a 34yo Dragic after all who has a record of injuries.
Beside a PG i would try to replace Olynyk with someone like Ibaka. Maybe package him to the Raptors with Nunn for a sign and trade. I think he's an expiring contract next season.
Resign Dragic to a 1 year 20m+ for the next season and a team friendly deal in 2021
Resign Crowder with the MLE
Resign Meyers Leonard to vet min
Draft a wing player with the 1st round pick
Let DJJ go, He will probably get a good offer elsewhere.

A lineup like this:
Lowry/Dragic/vet min
Robinson/Herro/1st round pick
Butler/Iggy/1st round pick
Crowder/Ibaka/KZ Okpala
Bam/Ibaka/Leonard

I really feel we can win with such a lineup.


I disagree. I feel Miami needs to add a max player. I'd like AD or Giannis or Kawhi. I don't think Lowry or Jrue are good enough.

A few other issues:

Robinson is not a shooting guard.
Meyers Leonard will not sign a vet min. He is worth more. He was our starting center for 50 games.
Likewise, Crowder is worth considerably more than an MLE. You might get him in a multiyear contract for 3/50, but then it complicates bringing a max in 7/2021

I agree that someone will offer Derrick Jones a good deal and Miami should not match. As important as he is (esp the D), we also have Okpala and Silva (who I don't see on your list, btw)).

my take:

Miami should continue to improve organically and sign a star in 2021 if they cannot get AD. If we whiff on AD this offseason, we should go all in on Giannis or Kawhi (it doesn't matter which one).


AD on the HEAT would be 8-). IMO the perfect fit next to Bam Bam Biggalow
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Post#77 » by Dan Z » Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:09 pm

I haven't looked at a list of free agents, but if Giannis says no then who is left? Oladipo? I'm not sure I'd trust his health going forward.
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Post#78 » by SFour » Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:17 pm

they only become a dynasty if they add a superstar like Giannis or Kawhi....which is unlikely...they're more likely to sign a regular allstar like Oladipo.

Plus Dragic is playing like an allstar for the Heat in the playoffs, averaging 22.2 ppg and shooting 40% from 3pt....either he walks to another team or the Heat re-sign an aging 34 year old player that is not going to be able to continue playing like this.
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Post#79 » by nedleeds » Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:18 pm

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Pennebaker wrote:Won't matter if they have to face LeBron and AD in the Finals. They still won't be good enough.


or PG, they would be the favorites


Lol. PG isn't making anybody a favorite who isn't already the favorite.
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Post#80 » by mr570 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:43 pm

They should do everything they possibly can to get Bradley Beal and then they should wait on Giannis to hit FA.

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