2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

[Little Digger]

My updated Wishy Washy top 5 ..free of charge only for you guys

1. Advija
2. Patrick Williams
3. Okongwu
4. Wiseman
5. Vassell
6. Okoro
7. Hayes
8. Jalen Smith
9. Halliburton
10. Edwards

[GQ Hot Dog]

My updated Wishy Washy top 5 ..free of charge only for you guys

1. Advija
2. Patrick Williams
3. Okongwu
4. Wiseman
5. Vassell
6. Okoro
7. Hayes
8. Jalen Smith
9. Halliburton
10. Edwards

Okoro is your 6th choice? He can't shoot, you're living in a dream world pal!!!

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[Little Digger]

My updated Wishy Washy top 5 ..free of charge only for you guys

1. Advija
2. Patrick Williams
3. Okongwu
4. Wiseman
5. Vassell
6. Okoro
7. Hayes
8. Jalen Smith
9. Halliburton
10. Edwards

Okoro is your 6th choice? He can't shoot, you're living in a dream world pal!!!

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African name..that’s worth moving up 5 spots by itself..

[Onus]

Israel has compulsive military service.

Will that be a factor in Deni's career?

He already served and he was granted the exceptional athlete exemption.
Also this for shooting

Read on Twitter

[Onus]

Deni is no 1 for me.

Steph 6’3, klay 6’7”, Wiggins 6’9”, Deni 6’9”, Dray 6’6”

Get me a big with the mle that can soak up 20 mpg.

Get a movement shooter in the late 2nd.

[ShayDee]

Deni to me has high end role player potential. I don't know if he is worth the #2 pick, not for a role player or a back up just putting up 14 or so points at his peak. They say his shot has improved, well every single prospect that has been working has also improved their shot, that vid shouldn't hype up anyone. I will still say that this is all recency bias on Deni because he got to play while everyone else hasn't. Before he got back playing he was around 5-7 on most boards, everyone was complaining about his euro league stats and not getting minutes and also complaining about his inconsistent shooting, no star potential and awful free throw shooting but now he is jumping up after 2 months? Really?

While every other prospects negatives are still highlighted on and on again without anyone caring to look at context. The FO might not regret their decision now or in a year, and I get that they want less uncertainty given the tight window we have but this screams so much like a Doncic/Bagley situation to me. I have categorized some prospects I believe their potential would be

Star/Allstar
Ball, Edwards, Wiseman, Okoro, Toppin, Nesmith, Cole Anthony, Jahm'ius Ramsey, Oturu, Jaden McDaniels

All defense
Okoro, Wiseman, Precious, Onyeka, Vassell, Pat Will, Tyler Bey, Jahmi'us Ramsey, Paul Reed, Ashton Hagans, Malachi Flynn, Ty-Shon Alexander, Tre Jones, Devon Dotson, Nate Hinton

3point champ/Specialist
Nesmith, Bey, Tyrell Terry, Bane, Winston, Nwora, Quickley, Isaiah Joe, Sam Merrill, Nate Darling, Justinian Jessup, Payton Pritchard, Tyrese Haliburton (catch and shoot), Markus Howard, Tyler Hagedorn, Malik Fitts

Stretch 5s
Wiseman, Jalen Smith, Toppin, Pokusevski, Vernon Carey, Oturu, Reggie Perry, Tillie, Tyler Hagedorn, Kaleb Wesson, Yoeli Childs

[Mav_Carter]

Deni can't shoot and can't defend so what exactly does he bring us?

[Phase 3]

Israel has compulsive military service.

Will that be a factor in Deni's career?

He already served and he was granted the exceptional athlete exemption.
Also this for shooting

Read on Twitter

Interesting...

His shooting has been one of the big concerns for me...also, it’s tough to judge how much “dog” Deni has in him. Some international players just don’t have the toughness to make it here.

Here’s where I’d love to have Jerry West in the room to give his take.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Guys, I'VE SOLVED IT. I've found the center we should draft. Was hidden at tiny William & Mary.

NATHAN KNIGHT

Excellent ball handler and passer. This is the guy who will be threading the needle with bounce passes to Klay and Wigs cutting backdoor.

Big strong body, solid athleticism. He looks like Karl Malone running the break.

Watch on YouTube

[wco81]

Israel has compulsive military service.

Will that be a factor in Deni's career?

He already served and he was granted the exceptional athlete exemption.
Also this for shooting

Read on Twitter

Interesting...

His shooting has been one of the big concerns for me...also, it’s tough to judge how much “dog” Deni has in him. Some international players just don’t have the toughness to make it here.

Here’s where I’d love to have Jerry West in the room to give his take.

Yeah Deni may be drafting on the success of Luka.

Most of the Euro players are finesse perimeter players. Obviously Jokic isn't soft. Not a great defensive player or athletic monster, just skilled and tough.

The best defenders among Euro players have been long centers, like Moutombo or Manute.

At best, international players will give you great outside shooting, ball handling and playmaking. But not defense, unless they have great athleticism like Batum.

[ShayDee]

He already served and he was granted the exceptional athlete exemption.
Also this for shooting

Read on Twitter

It's not about being bad, it's about consistency. Some of his misses are extremely bad misses. Sure he doesn't lack confidence, but he rushes most of the time, sometimes it's just a bad shot and he is no specialists to be taking such shots

[Onus]

Deni to me has high end role player potential. I don't know if he is worth the #2 pick, not for a role player or a back up just putting up 14 or so points at his peak. They say his shot has improved, well every single prospect that has been working has also improved their shot, that vid shouldn't hype up anyone. I will still say that this is all recency bias on Deni because he got to play while everyone else hasn't. Before he got back playing he was around 5-7 on most boards, everyone was complaining about his euro league stats and not getting minutes and also complaining about his inconsistent shooting, no star potential and awful free throw shooting but now he is jumping up after 2 months? Really? While every other prospects negatives are still highlighted on and on again without anyone caring to look at context. The FO might not regret their decision now or in a year, and I get that they want less uncertainty given the tight window we have but this screams so much like a Doncic/Bagley situation to me. I have categorized some prospects I believe their potential would be

Star/Allstar
Ball, Edwards, Wiseman, Okoro, Toppin, Nesmith, Cole Anthony, Jahm'ius Ramsey, Oturu, Jaden McDaniels

All defense
Okoro, Wiseman, Precious, Onyeka, Vassell, Pat Will, Tyler Bey, Jahmi'us Ramsey, Paul Reed, Ashton Hagans, Malachi Flynn, Ty-Shon Alexander, Tre Jones, Devon Dotson, Nate Hinton

3point champ/Specialist
Nesmith, Bey, Tyrell Terry, Bane, Winston, Nwora, Quickley, Isaiah Joe, Sam Merrill, Nate Darling, Justinian Jessup, Payton Pritchard, Tyrese Haliburton (catch and shoot), Markus Howard, Tyler Hagedorn, Malik Fitts

Stretch 5s
Wiseman, Jalen Smith, Toppin, Pokusevski, Vernon Carey, Oturu, Reggie Perry, Tillie, Tyler Hagedorn, Kaleb Wesson, Yoeli Childs

I understand everyone is putting a ceiling on Deni as a high end role player, but I don’t understand why.

Like your star potential list is so large and all of those prospects have a ton more to work on than Deni does to get to an all star. He led the Israeli national team to 2 gold medals for the u20 tournament. He won mvp the 2nd year. He won mvp for the Israeli league this past year. I understand his role was diminished in the euro league but he’s willing to play a role if needed while he’s obviously capable of doing more if asked.

What’s preventing Deni from being an all star ceiling like jaden McDaniels?

[Onus]

Deni can't shoot and can't defend so what exactly does he bring us?

Why can’t Deni defend or shoot? His team sure thinks he can defend when going up against the euro league mvp in Shane Larkin they out Deni on him to stop him on the last possession.

[wco81]

He already served and he was granted the exceptional athlete exemption.
Also this for shooting

Read on Twitter

It's not about being bad, it's about consistency. Some of his misses are extremely bad misses. Sure he doesn't lack confidence, but he rushes most of the time, sometimes it's just a bad shot and he is no specialists to be taking such shots

If there's one thing an international player should bring, it should be very good shooting, unless he's an athletic freak who can contribute on defense.

[Mav_Carter]

Deni can't shoot and can't defend so what exactly does he bring us?

Why can’t Deni defend or shoot? His team sure thinks he can defend when going up against the euro league mvp in Shane Larkin they out Deni on him to stop him on the last possession.

He's a poor FT shooter and he lacks lateral quickness...he also has short arms...

[Onus]

He already served and he was granted the exceptional athlete exemption.
Also this for shooting

Read on Twitter

Interesting...

His shooting has been one of the big concerns for me...also, it’s tough to judge how much “dog” Deni has in him. Some international players just don’t have the toughness to make it here.

Here’s where I’d love to have Jerry West in the room to give his take.

Yeah Deni may be drafting on the success of Luka.

Most of the Euro players are finesse perimeter players. Obviously Jokic isn't soft. Not a great defensive player or athletic monster, just skilled and tough.

The best defenders among Euro players have been long centers, like Moutombo or Manute.

At best, international players will give you great outside shooting, ball handling and playmaking. But not defense, unless they have great athleticism like Batum.

Finesse perimeter players? And then you say they’re just skilled and tough ... sounds like you have some type of cognitive dissonance going on.

[Onus]

He already served and he was granted the exceptional athlete exemption.
Also this for shooting

Read on Twitter

It's not about being bad, it's about consistency. Some of his misses are extremely bad misses. Sure he doesn't lack confidence, but he rushes most of the time, sometimes it's just a bad shot and he is no specialists to be taking such shots

Yes as an 18 year old kid you should be as consistent as lamelo or Edwards at shooting the ball.

[ShayDee]

He already served and he was granted the exceptional athlete exemption.
Also this for shooting

Read on Twitter

It's not about being bad, it's about consistency. Some of his misses are extremely bad misses. Sure he doesn't lack confidence, but he rushes most of the time, sometimes it's just a bad shot and he is no specialists to be taking such shots

If there's one thing an international player should bring, it should be very good shooting, unless he's an athletic freak who can contribute on defense.

I will take more of fundamentals and shooting touch mostly than than just very good shooting. Jokic for instance, Vucevic, Doncic etc. They were not good shooters coming in, but they are very fundamentally sound and it carried them in the league until they got better shooting. Deni has ok Fundamentals but like I keep saying there is nothing that puts him above the top guys for me

One thing people don't mention is he is suppperrr turnover prone, like he makes sooo many mistakes. How much leeway will Kerr give him. I guess alot since they have to justify picking him at 2

[ShayDee]

He already served and he was granted the exceptional athlete exemption.
Also this for shooting

Read on Twitter

It's not about being bad, it's about consistency. Some of his misses are extremely bad misses. Sure he doesn't lack confidence, but he rushes most of the time, sometimes it's just a bad shot and he is no specialists to be taking such shots

Yes as an 18 year old kid you should be as consistent as lamelo or Edwards at shooting the ball.

lol don't even bring up age here, it's not a discussion about that and he is almost 20

[Onus]

Deni can't shoot and can't defend so what exactly does he bring us?

Why can’t Deni defend or shoot? His team sure thinks he can defend when going up against the euro league mvp in Shane Larkin they out Deni on him to stop him on the last possession.

He's a poor FT shooter and he lacks lateral quickness...he also has short arms...

He’s 6’9” with a 6’10” ws meh. 2 more inches and he’d be a monster?

Poor ft shooter without a doubt. But what about his other shooting?

Lacks lateral quickness but is able to defend euro league mvp Shane Larkin.