2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2

[Dez]

His athleticism is underrated.

Yep. I think he’s a late bloomer. Will grow into his body and still play slower and under control but will be able to use his body and strength. Think he will grow into more Harden type body then DLO.

And i hate late bloomers that takes yrs to develop. Just had one with White and Lavine.
Why cant they just perform from yr1?

Coby just turned 20 in February, how the f*** is he a late bloomer?

Why aren't you applying this to Markkanen then? He's played 3 years and showed about 1 month of great play.

[arusinov]

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Another evaluator basically saying Avdija will never be an all-star type player. Projected him to have Joe Ingles/Dario Saric level of success in the NBA. ie. starters but not all-stars.

The author himself agreed with my comment that Saric and Ingles aren't very good comparisons.

He also answered to my comment that the most probable outcome for Deni is 3rd option on playoff team for many years - which is clearly better than Joe (especially in the "many years" part as Ingles is already 32 and got to the current level only several years ago) and certainly not comparable with Saric

The problem is with drafting that high we should probably be looking for a player with more upside. I like Deni, he is a smart player and plays both sides of the floor. Looking into the future though, will he be at least the 4th best player from this draft? I don't think so.

Bulls are selecting 4th not 1st... As much as I understand Deni is perceived to have one of highest and maybe highest upside after Edwards, Ball and Wiseman (which probably will be selected at 1, 2 and 3)

[Bulldog23]

I still think Hayes is the best prospect, but Bulls desperately need a defensive minded wing, that to me is Okoro. The Bulls haven’t had a wing since Deng and Jimmy. I thought the Bulls might go after a wing in free agency, but unsure. Also any additional picks will have to come with either trading fourth, Lavine or Laurie.

[JohnnyTapwater]

I think whoever GS claim they like --- I think it's to entice a trade partner for more assets.


Like heeeeey --- we love Deni. Chicago better trade up to get hiiiiim...

then boom --- Wiseman falls to them @ 4 and that's who they wanted anyway.

[PlayerUp]

I still think Hayes is the best prospect, but Bulls desperately need a defensive minded wing, that to me is Okoro. The Bulls haven’t had a wing since Deng and Jimmy. I thought the Bulls might go after a wing in free agency, but unsure. Also any additional picks will have to come with either trading fourth, Lavine or Laurie.

Otto Porter plays defense just fine he just never plays.

[kodo]

I'm not sure if Deni has the highest upside, but he does have the rep of being the hardest worker at the top of the draft and probably has the best chance of actually improving. In a perceived weak draft, people seem to be looking for who is likely to improve the most, if there isn't any immediate star power on the board like Zion.

During the break while many prospects (and even NBA players) just didn't play, Deni took the time to rebuild or work on his jump shot and that was the reason for his big shooting improvement late, where he shot 50% from 3 post break. Before that he was much lower on everyone's big board.

That's primarily why I like both Deni & Hayes, Deni has shown he will work and actually improve his shooting. Hayes has the extremely high FT% and has shown that he can hit difficult, on the move shots he'll need to take as NBA play creator. Both these guys need to get a lot better, but that's possible.

Some of the other prospects, I think the goal is for them to develop completely new aspects to their game which is generally much more rare.

[TheSuzerain]

I'm not sure if Deni has the highest upside, but he does have the rep of being the hardest worker at the top of the draft and probably has the best chance of actually improving. In a perceived weak draft, people seem to be looking for who is likely to improve the most, if there isn't any immediate star power on the board like Zion.

During the break while many prospects (and even NBA players) just didn't play, Deni took the time to rebuild or work on his jump shot and that was the reason for his big shooting improvement late, where he shot 50% from 3 post break. Before that he was much lower on everyone's big board.

That's primarily why I like both Deni & Hayes, Deni has shown he will work and actually improve his shooting. Hayes has the extremely high FT% and has shown that he can hit difficult, on the move shots he'll need to take as NBA play creator. Both these guys need to get a lot better, but that's possible.

Some of the other prospects, I think the goal is for them to develop completely new aspects to their game which is generally much more rare.

You might want to check what Deni actually shot from 3 post-break...

33%

Which is pretty much the same as what he shot pre-break

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[Chi town]

I'm not sure if Deni has the highest upside, but he does have the rep of being the hardest worker at the top of the draft and probably has the best chance of actually improving. In a perceived weak draft, people seem to be looking for who is likely to improve the most, if there isn't any immediate star power on the board like Zion.

During the break while many prospects (and even NBA players) just didn't play, Deni took the time to rebuild or work on his jump shot and that was the reason for his big shooting improvement late, where he shot 50% from 3 post break. Before that he was much lower on everyone's big board.

That's primarily why I like both Deni & Hayes, Deni has shown he will work and actually improve his shooting. Hayes has the extremely high FT% and has shown that he can hit difficult, on the move shots he'll need to take as NBA play creator. Both these guys need to get a lot better, but that's possible.

Some of the other prospects, I think the goal is for them to develop completely new aspects to their game which is generally much more rare.

Well said. It’s a balance of highest ceiling and likelihood of reaching it. Hayes and Deni project well due to IQ with skill and size versatility.

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That dunk doesn’t look athletic.

I have seen some dunks where he’s looked really athletic in game though.

[MrFortune3]

Just give me Deni on the Bulls and I’m good

[Grodoboldo]

As much as I like some of these prospects, are you guys seriously getting excited about work outs in empty gymns? Have you learned nothing from previous drafts???

[gobullschi]

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That dunk doesn’t look athletic.

I have seen some dunks where he’s looked really athletic in game though.

Deni isn’t impressive vertically, lacks wiggle, and has an average first step, but his open court straight line speed is very good for his size.

I don’t get the hype... He isn’t going to be a player that can create his own shot consistently, which limits his ceiling to a third option at best. His potential is contingent on his passing and shooting ability. If he can become a point forward with a consistent outside shot, that makes him significantly more valuable.

[Jcool0]

Deni isn’t impressive vertically, lacks wiggle, and has an average first step, but his open court straight line speed is very good for his size.

I don’t get the hype... He isn’t going to be a player that can create his own shot consistently, which limits his ceiling to a third option at best. His potential is contingent on his passing and shooting ability. If he can become a point forward with a consistent outside shot, that makes him significantly more valuable.

He is a point forward of course he can create his own shot. He isn't Lauri, that would need someone to feed him the ball.

[TheSuzerain]

I still think Hayes is the best prospect, but Bulls desperately need a defensive minded wing, that to me is Okoro. The Bulls haven’t had a wing since Deng and Jimmy. I thought the Bulls might go after a wing in free agency, but unsure. Also any additional picks will have to come with either trading fourth, Lavine or Laurie.

I don't think a team in the NBA picking in the lottery has ever desperately needed a defensive wing.

You can typically sign those guys out of the bargain bin each year. Nwaba for example.

[gobullschi]

Deni isn’t impressive vertically, lacks wiggle, and has an average first step, but his open court straight line speed is very good for his size.

I don’t get the hype... He isn’t going to be a player that can create his own shot consistently, which limits his ceiling to a third option at best. His potential is contingent on his passing and shooting ability. If he can become a point forward with a consistent outside shot, that makes him significantly more valuable.

He is a point forward of course he can create his own shot. He isn't Lauri, that would need someone to feed him the ball.

Some scouts think he will be a PF because he doesn’t have the quickness to get by small forwards. He might be able to create overseas but he will struggle to create space against NBA athletes.

There’s a lot of projection when evaluating Deni. His outside shot and ball handling need to improve a lot if he is going to be an all star.

[TheSuzerain]

Deni isn’t impressive vertically, lacks wiggle, and has an average first step, but his open court straight line speed is very good for his size.

I don’t get the hype... He isn’t going to be a player that can create his own shot consistently, which limits his ceiling to a third option at best. His potential is contingent on his passing and shooting ability. If he can become a point forward with a consistent outside shot, that makes him significantly more valuable.

He is a point forward of course he can create his own shot. He isn't Lauri, that would need someone to feed him the ball.

Things you don't get to say about dudes from the Israeli League:

"Of course he can create his own shot in the NBA"

[Jcool0]

Deni isn’t impressive vertically, lacks wiggle, and has an average first step, but his open court straight line speed is very good for his size.

I don’t get the hype... He isn’t going to be a player that can create his own shot consistently, which limits his ceiling to a third option at best. His potential is contingent on his passing and shooting ability. If he can become a point forward with a consistent outside shot, that makes him significantly more valuable.

He is a point forward of course he can create his own shot. He isn't Lauri, that would need someone to feed him the ball.

Things you don't get to say about dudes from the Israeli League:

"Of course he can create his own shot in the NBA"

Uh sure okay whatever you say.

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That dunk doesn’t look athletic.

I have seen some dunks where he’s looked really athletic in game though.

This dunk is clumsy. Maybe his first attempt to perform windmill... And I don't know why he decided to publish it.

But I suggest to take note that he jumps of 2-feet (which is supposed to be his weakness) and look where his head in high point of the dunk. If it's standard 10 feet basket I would say he jumped over 35 inch up.

He's much better jumping of one leg though, and in some of his dunks he's almost touching rim with his head which suggests very close to 40 inch vertical

[R3AL1TY]

I like Hayes' sneaky athleticism. It reminds me of Harden's or Lillard's where they're not the fastest or highest leapers, but they have the athleticism to sneak a dunk over you or do moves to get open easily.