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Stannis wrote:If Trump gets to fill the vacancy with a conservative, is it really so simple for the democrats to just add more SC seats and fill them with democrats? I keep seeing this idea thrown. I don't see how that can happen though?
BallSacBounce wrote:Pointgod wrote:BallSacBounce wrote:Antifa and BLM have nothing at all to do with Qanon. You're just flat out wrong about that. That **** is all from the Democrat's side.
The FBI calls QAnon a domestic terrorist group. Or are you going claim they’re deep state or lying because it goes against Trump’s lies? It’s in big, bold letters for you.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/08/19/nation/trump-praises-qanon-conspiracy-theory-fbi-has-deemed-domestic-terror-threat/An FBI bulletin last May warned that conspiracy theory-driven extremists have become a domestic terrorism threat. The bulletin specifically mentioned QAnon.QAnon believers often peddle a number of conspiracy theories, from claims that John F. Kennedy Jr. isn’t really dead and is staging a public comeback to baseless speculation around celebrities who have secretly been arrested for trafficking children for sex.
The difference is the FBI CALLS Qanon a domestic terrorist threat and Antifa/BLM are actually ACTIVELY ENGAGING IN domestic terrorist actions with the looting, rioting and burning businesses to the ground.
Simple enough for you?
On Thursday, FBI Director Christopher Wray directly contradicted the White House’s anti-antifa messaging push while testifying in front of the House Homeland Security Committee. “It’s not a group or an organization. It’s a movement or an ideology,” he said, explaining that “folks who subscribe or identify” with antifa do not operate at a national level, but instead organize “regionally into small groups or nodes.”
When asked about the greatest domestic terrorism threats facing the U.S., Wray did not name antifa. Instead, he cited the kinds of violent extremists historically more likely to side with the president. “Within the domestic terrorism bucket, the category as a whole, racially motivated violent extremism is, I think, the biggest bucket within that larger group, within the racially motivated violent extremist bucket,” said Wray. “People ascribing to some kind of white supremacist-type ideologies is certainly the biggest chunk of that.” The bureau chief went on to note that, when it comes to extremist violence in the U.S., 2019 was the deadliest year since 1995, when white supremacist Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people by bombing a federal building in Oklahoma City.
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Can you imagine if the roles were reversed?
Only about 25 percent of Latinos identify with Joe Biden’s progressive identity politics, while more than 60 percent of Latinos favor Donald Trump’s populist, pro-American pitch, according to a September 18 report in the New York Times.
The study asked voters and focus group for their views on “a dog-whistle message lifted from Republican talking points … [about] ‘illegal immigration from places overrun with drugs and criminal gangs’ and called for ‘fully funding the police, so our communities are not threatened by people who refuse to follow our laws,’” the authors wrote in their September 18 op-ed.
The shocked authors reported, “Almost three out of five white respondents judged the message convincing. More surprising, exactly the same percentage of African-Americans agreed, as did an even higher percentage of Latinos.”
The political problem for Biden’s progressive allies is that only about 25 percent of Latinos identify themselves as a progressive-style “people of color” identity group, the authors said. The majority of Latinos “rejected this designation [because] they preferred to see Hispanics as a group integrating into the American mainstream, one not overly bound by racial constraints but instead able to get ahead through hard work.”
The authors urged Biden to combine a unifying pitch with an economic message, saying:
Democrats should call for Americans to unite against the strategic racism of powerful elites who stoke division and then run the country for their own benefit. This is not to deny the reality of pervasive societal racism. But it does direct attention away from whites in general and toward the powerful elites who benefit from divide-and-conquer politics.
The researchers are progressives, so they repeatedly choose to interpret Trump’s national-unity populism as racially divisive.
In reality, Trump’s stop-and-go populism and his zig-zag “pro-American immigration” policies are applauded by many Americans as non-racial solidarity against the tightening alliance of Wall Street’s cheap-labor policies and wealthy progressives’ divide-and-rule, racially-divisive insistence on chaotic diversity and mass migration.
For example, numerous polls show that Latinos say they favor immigration but they strongly prefer border security, oppose welfare for migrants and want employers to hire Americans before importing workers. In April, Breitbart News reported:
A Washington Post poll shows that Hispanics are the strongest advocates for a near-total halt to legal immigration during the coronavirus epidemic and economic crash.
Sixty-nine percent of Hispanics said yes when they were asked, “Would you support … temporarily blocking nearly all immigration into the United States during the coronavirus outbreak?” Just 30 percent of Hispanics oppose the shutdown.
In contrast, 67 percent of whites backed the shutdown, partly because 45 percent of “liberals” opposed the policy.
BallSacBounce wrote:Pointgod wrote:BallSacBounce wrote:
Seems fair.
Again, fair. Fair enough at least. Although the "gang" part was just Michael Avenatti he was a presidential hopeful back then and all over the news. Remember him? Good times. They called the guy a rapist based on pure air. That deserves its proper response.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/11/21/harry-reid-nuclear-senate/3662445/
U.S. Senate goes 'nuclear,' changes filibuster rules
WASHINGTON — Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., pushed through a controversial change to Senate rules Thursday that will make it easier to approve President Obama's nominees but threatens to further divide an already polarized Congress.
Prescient words by McConnell on Reid's actions back in 2013. Democrats have no one to blame but themselves for this.
Hey, I can't stand the Swamp Rat either so we're in agreement there! We're having a moment!
Not a fan at all of Lindsey Grahamnesty. He'll do whatever is politically expedient. In this case it serves me. He is the ultimate finger in the air testing the wind do you dirty when you aren't watching guy. Two thumbs up for this though.
To be fair here Graham is a decorum guy and they absolutely slandered Kavanaugh. I can see how that might change his mind.
Pointgod wrote:BallSacBounce wrote:Pointgod wrote:
The FBI calls QAnon a domestic terrorist group. Or are you going claim they’re deep state or lying because it goes against Trump’s lies? It’s in big, bold letters for you.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/08/19/nation/trump-praises-qanon-conspiracy-theory-fbi-has-deemed-domestic-terror-threat/
The difference is the FBI CALLS Qanon a domestic terrorist threat and Antifa/BLM are actually ACTIVELY ENGAGING IN domestic terrorist actions with the looting, rioting and burning businesses to the ground.
Simple enough for you?
Citation needed here because QAnon followers have killed people. Testimony from the head of the FBI actually identifies racially motivated extremists (read white right wing extremists) are responsible for the majority of domestic terrorist acts. Antifa as a nationally organized group doesn’t exist.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/09/fbi-director-chris-wray-blew-up-trumps-anti-antifa-war-plan/ampOn Thursday, FBI Director Christopher Wray directly contradicted the White House’s anti-antifa messaging push while testifying in front of the House Homeland Security Committee. “It’s not a group or an organization. It’s a movement or an ideology,” he said, explaining that “folks who subscribe or identify” with antifa do not operate at a national level, but instead organize “regionally into small groups or nodes.”When asked about the greatest domestic terrorism threats facing the U.S., Wray did not name antifa. Instead, he cited the kinds of violent extremists historically more likely to side with the president. “Within the domestic terrorism bucket, the category as a whole, racially motivated violent extremism is, I think, the biggest bucket within that larger group, within the racially motivated violent extremist bucket,” said Wray. “People ascribing to some kind of white supremacist-type ideologies is certainly the biggest chunk of that.” The bureau chief went on to note that, when it comes to extremist violence in the U.S., 2019 was the deadliest year since 1995, when white supremacist Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people by bombing a federal building in Oklahoma City.
Pointgod wrote:BallSacBounce wrote:Pointgod wrote:
Hey, I can't stand the Swamp Rat either so we're in agreement there! We're having a moment!
Not a fan at all of Lindsey Grahamnesty. He'll do whatever is politically expedient. In this case it serves me. He is the ultimate finger in the air testing the wind do you dirty when you aren't watching guy. Two thumbs up for this though.
To be fair here Graham is a decorum guy and they absolutely slandered Kavanaugh. I can see how that might change his mind.
It’s not whether you’re a fan of Lindsey Graham or not. If you believe that in 2016 a Supreme Court seat should be filled by the next President then you should hold the same stance now. It’s that simple. If it’s just about power then I’m sure you’ll happily support the Democrats adding more seats to the Supreme Court if they take back the Senate.
Stannis wrote:If Trump gets to fill the vacancy with a conservative, is it really so simple for the democrats to just add more SC seats and fill them with democrats? I keep seeing this idea thrown. I don't see how that can happen though?
BallSacBounce wrote:Pointgod wrote:BallSacBounce wrote:The difference is the FBI CALLS Qanon a domestic terrorist threat and Antifa/BLM are actually ACTIVELY ENGAGING IN domestic terrorist actions with the looting, rioting and burning businesses to the ground.
Simple enough for you?
Citation needed here because QAnon followers have killed people. Testimony from the head of the FBI actually identifies racially motivated extremists (read white right wing extremists) are responsible for the majority of domestic terrorist acts. Antifa as a nationally organized group doesn’t exist.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/09/fbi-director-chris-wray-blew-up-trumps-anti-antifa-war-plan/ampOn Thursday, FBI Director Christopher Wray directly contradicted the White House’s anti-antifa messaging push while testifying in front of the House Homeland Security Committee. “It’s not a group or an organization. It’s a movement or an ideology,” he said, explaining that “folks who subscribe or identify” with antifa do not operate at a national level, but instead organize “regionally into small groups or nodes.”When asked about the greatest domestic terrorism threats facing the U.S., Wray did not name antifa. Instead, he cited the kinds of violent extremists historically more likely to side with the president. “Within the domestic terrorism bucket, the category as a whole, racially motivated violent extremism is, I think, the biggest bucket within that larger group, within the racially motivated violent extremist bucket,” said Wray. “People ascribing to some kind of white supremacist-type ideologies is certainly the biggest chunk of that.” The bureau chief went on to note that, when it comes to extremist violence in the U.S., 2019 was the deadliest year since 1995, when white supremacist Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people by bombing a federal building in Oklahoma City.
Christopher Wray will not have a job after this election because of stupid BS like this. Call it whatever you want Antifa is all over the place destroying **** to get their way and that is the very definition of domestic terrorism. You are dancing around with words when we can all see the destruction Antifa/BLM have caused.
I have no doubt there is concern at the institutional level about the potential for white supremacist violence but so far the actual damage is being done by leftists. Not much else to say I think. We'll just have to agree to disagree and let the voters decide.
BallSacBounce wrote:Pointgod wrote:BallSacBounce wrote:Hey, I can't stand the Swamp Rat either so we're in agreement there! We're having a moment!
Not a fan at all of Lindsey Grahamnesty. He'll do whatever is politically expedient. In this case it serves me. He is the ultimate finger in the air testing the wind do you dirty when you aren't watching guy. Two thumbs up for this though.
To be fair here Graham is a decorum guy and they absolutely slandered Kavanaugh. I can see how that might change his mind.
It’s not whether you’re a fan of Lindsey Graham or not. If you believe that in 2016 a Supreme Court seat should be filled by the next President then you should hold the same stance now. It’s that simple. If it’s just about power then I’m sure you’ll happily support the Democrats adding more seats to the Supreme Court if they take back the Senate.
If Trump was a lame duck President in his second term like Obama was with an opposing party controlling the Senate then it would be that simple. But that's not the case. I couldn't care less if Democrats pack the court actually. They'll be swept right out of power the next election. Americans in the middle hate that wacked out partisan ****. But please, go right ahead.
Stannis wrote:If Trump gets to fill the vacancy with a conservative, is it really so simple for the democrats to just add more SC seats and fill them with democrats? I keep seeing this idea thrown. I don't see how that can happen though?
Pointgod wrote:BallSacBounce wrote:Pointgod wrote:
Citation needed here because QAnon followers have killed people. Testimony from the head of the FBI actually identifies racially motivated extremists (read white right wing extremists) are responsible for the majority of domestic terrorist acts. Antifa as a nationally organized group doesn’t exist.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/09/fbi-director-chris-wray-blew-up-trumps-anti-antifa-war-plan/amp
Christopher Wray will not have a job after this election because of stupid BS like this. Call it whatever you want Antifa is all over the place destroying **** to get their way and that is the very definition of domestic terrorism. You are dancing around with words when we can all see the destruction Antifa/BLM have caused.
I have no doubt there is concern at the institutional level about the potential for white supremacist violence but so far the actual damage is being done by leftists. Not much else to say I think. We'll just have to agree to disagree and let the voters decide.
You have facts to back up anything you’re saying. Notice how I can back up everything I say with facts from a source that you can’t claim as biased? No we won’t agree to disagree because you’re wildly wrong on this matter and you’ll need to accept the reality that you’ve been shovelled a pile of bull.
Contrary to corporate media narratives, up to 95 percent of this summer’s riots are linked to Black Lives Matter activism, according to data collected by the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data Project (ACLED). The data also show that nearly 6 percent — or more than 1 in 20 — of U.S. protests between May 26 and Sept. 5 involved rioting, looting, and similar violence, including 47 fatalities.
ACLED is a nonprofit organization that tracks conflict across the globe. Its U.S. project that collected the summer protest data is supported by Princeton University. The project’s spreadsheet collating tens of thousands of data points documents 12,045 incidents of U.S. civil unrest from May 26, 2020 to Sept. 5, 2020. May 26 is the day after George Floyd’s death in police custody with enough fentanyl in his system to have died of an overdose if police had never touched him.
Of the 633 incidents coded as riots, 88 percent are recorded as involving Black Lives Matter activists. Data for 51 incidents lack information about the perpetrators’ identities. BLM activists were involved in 95 percent of the riots for which there is information about the perpetrators’ affiliation.
Early estimates from insurance agencies say the cost of this summer’s rioting will set a record surpassing that of the 1992 Rodney King riots, which cost an inflation-adjusted $1.2 billion. Much of that will be paid by taxpayers in the form of overtime and hazard pay for police and EMTs, emergency room visits, destruction of public property, and more. Of course, rioters are inflicting these costs during a time governments, and the people who fund them, have fewer resources due to coronavirus shutdowns and pent-up entitlement obligations.
A look at an interactive map illustrating the data shows just how widespread the summer BLM-linked rioting has been. It has not been limited merely to anarchist strongholds such as Portland, Oregon, or locales that saw media-spotlighted violent interactions between police and suspects, but has stretched across both major and minor U.S. cities and included dozens of locales with no violent police incidents this summer.
Capn'O wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:Capn'O wrote:
With the flag and everything
Can you imagine if the roles were reversed?
I frickin' hate that "Patriotism" and the flag have been monopolized by the right.
Here's a task: Start a group called "Patriots for Mail in Voting, Also **** You If you Think I'm not A Patriot" or "Patriots for Equal Treatment To All Races" or "Patriots Against Citizens United." Then mount that goddamn flag to the back of your EV or Scooter with the slogan on it and ride around town. That'll throw everyone off.
That first name may need some refining but you get the idea.
Pointgod wrote:BallSacBounce wrote:Pointgod wrote:
It’s not whether you’re a fan of Lindsey Graham or not. If you believe that in 2016 a Supreme Court seat should be filled by the next President then you should hold the same stance now. It’s that simple. If it’s just about power then I’m sure you’ll happily support the Democrats adding more seats to the Supreme Court if they take back the Senate.
If Trump was a lame duck President in his second term like Obama was with an opposing party controlling the Senate then it would be that simple. But that's not the case. I couldn't care less if Democrats pack the court actually. They'll be swept right out of power the next election. Americans in the middle hate that wacked out partisan ****. But please, go right ahead.
Listen stop trying to rationalize this. We all know the fact that Mitch McConnell stole a Supreme Court seat from a duly elected President. Just accept the fact and own it. The premise in 2016 is that the people should have a say by letting the newly elected President select the seat. The same thing should apply here. Because if Trump doesn’t win, then he becomes a lame duck President. If Trump wants to nominate the person to fill RBG’s seat, then win the Presidency.
K-DOT wrote:Stannis wrote:If Trump gets to fill the vacancy with a conservative, is it really so simple for the democrats to just add more SC seats and fill them with democrats? I keep seeing this idea thrown. I don't see how that can happen though?
As the Republicans continue to show, our government is built on a foundation of people only doing things because that's how it's always been done, and you can really do anything you want if you have control of the President and the Congress
Reps count on the fact that Dems will never get their hands dirty and do legally questionable things when in power while Reps just do what they want.
robillionaire wrote:ian miles cheong is a lying fascist propagandist
Stannis wrote:If Trump gets to fill the vacancy with a conservative, is it really so simple for the democrats to just add more SC seats and fill them with democrats? I keep seeing this idea thrown. I don't see how that can happen though?
Pointgod wrote:BallSacBounce wrote:Pointgod wrote:
It’s not whether you’re a fan of Lindsey Graham or not. If you believe that in 2016 a Supreme Court seat should be filled by the next President then you should hold the same stance now. It’s that simple. If it’s just about power then I’m sure you’ll happily support the Democrats adding more seats to the Supreme Court if they take back the Senate.
If Trump was a lame duck President in his second term like Obama was with an opposing party controlling the Senate then it would be that simple. But that's not the case. I couldn't care less if Democrats pack the court actually. They'll be swept right out of power the next election. Americans in the middle hate that wacked out partisan ****. But please, go right ahead.
Listen stop trying to rationalize this. We all know the fact that Mitch McConnell stole a Supreme Court seat from a duly elected President. Just accept the fact and own it. The premise in 2016 is that the people should have a say by letting the newly elected President select the seat. The same thing should apply here. Because if Trump doesn’t win, then he becomes a lame duck President. If Trump wants to nominate the person to fill RBG’s seat, then win the Presidency.
robillionaire wrote:Capn'O wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:
Can you imagine if the roles were reversed?
I frickin' hate that "Patriotism" and the flag have been monopolized by the right.
Here's a task: Start a group called "Patriots for Mail in Voting, Also **** You If you Think I'm not A Patriot" or "Patriots for Equal Treatment To All Races" or "Patriots Against Citizens United." Then mount that goddamn flag to the back of your EV or Scooter with the slogan on it and ride around town. That'll throw everyone off.
That first name may need some refining but you get the idea.
they're already gone far off the deep end in the patriotism->nationalism->fascism pipeline