freethedevil wrote:Doctor MJ wrote:freethedevil wrote:Vogel is really being carried to a ring. Gotta feel malone outclassing his matchup and watching his team get dunked on.
That seems unfair to Vogel to me. If you want to argue that lots of coaches could succeed if LeBron gave them their blessing, go right ahead, but LeBron's proven to be pretty picky. If you've earned LeBron's respect, and you're instituting schemes that lead to a tight defense, to me you're in the category of "better than most" among coaches.
I'll say though, I have a lot of respect for all 4 of the remaining coaches, so that's not meant as a knock on Malone at all.
Eh, i think its misleading to treat different versions of lebron as if thy're the same tbh. Lebron was picky in 2011, but then he comes to cleveland, and all time great ty lue gets away with telling him to "SIT DOWN AND STFU".
David blatt would be the other example i think, but david blat amaned to alienate everyone on the cavs at the same time. I think with current lebron, most coaches can deal with him fine.
To vogel's credit he's made good adjustments defensively and offensively and he trusted rondo. He's certainly done better than rivers at any rate.
Dude, Luke Walton was the coach in LA when he arrived and he wasn't remotely a lame duck. If LeBron wanted Luke Walton to still be the coach, he would be. If he didn't think Frank Vogel - who he played against in the Indiana series - was better than Walton, no way he tolerates that.
Add in that the hallmark of this Laker team is defense and Vogel is known as a defensive coach while Walton is seen as an offensive coach. You can tell me that LeBron's team could have this with many different coaches, but you can't tell me it's a coincidence that LeBron decided to make defense a priority and the team also got a defensive minded coach. There is a causal relationship, in one direction or another there.
There is a difference between a "coach breaker" that drives his coaches nuts with his attitude and complaints and being what LeBron is: Someone who know what he does and doesn't want, and no longer lets his franchises give him what he doesn't want.
And I say that who through a year ago very much saw this and assessed it as a net negative characteristic through Year 1. I haven't changed my assessment of the Year 1 impact on the players and coach he played for, but it's paying off big this year. Howard and Rondo have a better attitude than they've had in forever, and that's on LeBron, not Vogel, not AD, not the Lakers. LeBron.
So believe me, I'm not short-changing LeBron when I say I think Vogel deserves credit. I think it would strange not to give a lot of credit all around, presuming nothing awful happens from here on out.
