Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread

[pepe1991]

It doesn't just hurt one guy, it hurts the entire team. It hurts ball movement, it affects attitude, it damages chemistry, it promotes selfish basketball, it makes it hard for other guys to fit in on the court or establish a strong role and that hurts development and winning. It doesn't take a genius to see this team is not close and is very clique-ish.

Fournier and Vuc are not bad players. They are just bad leaders and their influence on this team is toxic. There's a reason why there is no drop off when they are putting up DNPs due to injury.

Remember those times that Oladipo, Tobias Harris, KOQ, and other players that left the Magic talked about their time here and everyone just playing for themselves/their numbers and there was no teamwork or chemistry. Turns out Evan and Vuc are still here after running those guys through that ****. Why do you think that would change?

Keep Vuc, dump Evan's trash arse.

Yep. That's the culture of selfishness that ultimately formed buddy ball. Oladipo said there was a certain unnamed Magic player that he would never want to play with again.

It's so bad, I don't wanna say it... but I almost wonder if it's centered on some kind of pro-Euro racism. I gotta give them credit for their bond though. They got each other big new deals during contract seasons... they broke down Ibaka (who was all excited to bring what he learned to ORL, but soon realized that it would run on deaf ears)... they killed Biyombo (who was treated as a virus and outsider from the start)... Fournier ripped Vogel for trying Gordon at SF.... not to mention the time he called Gordon selfish for having a scoring career night. lol

When Oladipo was here, the team used to do all kinds of bonding activities, posting all over twitter... and now you don't see anything like that. If you do, it's in the same small groups.

Bro, congratulation, you just won "dummest comment of a decade "award

Not only that you menaged to debunk your own crazy claim in one paragraph, you went full R.... . And like Robert Downey Jr said " never go full R..."
Euro racism --- goes to talk about how they allegedly runned out Ibaka. Serge Ibaka, born in Congo,moved to France ( Evan's born country) ,learned French, moved to Spain, got citizenship, played for Spain National team. Last time i checked, France and Spain are both in FREAKING EUROPE!

Euro racism Biyombo played IN FREAKING SPAIN before NBA. For TWO YEARS.

they killed Biyombo (who was treated as a virus and outsider from the start

What a hell did you took today ?
Biyombo was trash in each and every single year he was in nba. T.R.A.S.H.

His RPM in Orlando ( -2,4) is in line with his career RPM ( -2,6).
His TS in Orlando ( 55%) is in line with his career TS ( 54,8%)
His 5,6 ppg in Orlando is in line with his career ppg (5,1)


He was literally everything he showed before and after Olrando. Well below average rotation player who is strong as bull, but has no basketball skills and at end of a day is 6'9 , stone hands C.

Fournier ripped Vogel for trying Gordon at SF..

You mean Fournier said what every nba fan, even casual one knew ' That Aaron Gordon is PF, that he has no basketball skills to play SF and that transfer to SF will kill his producition? You just proved two things:
1) Evan knows basketball way more than Vogel and you
2) He was right all along and Vogel ruind Gordon by wispering in his ear he is new Paul George

4 years later Gordon at SF NEVER improved, and is now comming of the worst season of his career since rookie year. Playing SF. Case closed. Evan knows basketball, Gordon still belives in sweet nothings that bad coach told him.

I have to say, i saw lot of bad comments here, this one is probably the worst. You menaged to prove that you don't understand basketball ( nothing new) but also have crazy claims and throw random " racist" comments when you have nothing better to say or make strong argument for or against. This is new low even for you. For God's sake you talk about "euro racism" not knowing Spain in Europe. Good Lord . OR not knowing Ibaka has Spanish citizenship and spent half of his childhood in Europe. Anyway, with internet everything is 2 clicks away so being uninformed is flat out unacceptable

And whole race thing becomes even dummer if you know that Evan isn't even 100% from Europe himself, nor he is "white Euro" or whatever racist fuc**y comes in your mind nowdays, as his mother is from Alegria, as she belongs to Berber etnic group, witch means he is half arab. Jesus Christ more i think about your stupid comment more angry i get how dumb it is.

[Skin]

Remember those times that Oladipo, Tobias Harris, KOQ, and other players that left the Magic talked about their time here and everyone just playing for themselves/their numbers and there was no teamwork or chemistry. Turns out Evan and Vuc are still here after running those guys through that ****. Why do you think that would change?

Keep Vuc, dump Evan's trash arse.

Yep. That's the culture of selfishness that ultimately formed buddy ball. Oladipo said there was a certain unnamed Magic player that he would never want to play with again.

It's so bad, I don't wanna say it... but I almost wonder if it's centered on some kind of pro-Euro racism. I gotta give them credit for their bond though. They got each other big new deals during contract seasons... they broke down Ibaka (who was all excited to bring what he learned to ORL, but soon realized that it would run on deaf ears)... they killed Biyombo (who was treated as a virus and outsider from the start)... Fournier ripped Vogel for trying Gordon at SF.... not to mention the time he called Gordon selfish for having a scoring career night. lol

When Oladipo was here, the team used to do all kinds of bonding activities, posting all over twitter... and now you don't see anything like that. If you do, it's in the same small groups.

Bro, congratulation, you just won "dummest comment of a decade "award

Not only that you menaged to debunk your own crazy claim in one paragraph, you went full R.... . And like Robert Downey Jr said " never go full R..."
Euro racism --- goes to talk about how they allegedly runned out Ibaka. Serge Ibaka, born in Congo,moved to France ( Evan's born country) ,learned French, moved to Spain, got citizenship, played for Spain National team. Last time i checked, France and Spain are both in FREAKING EUROPE!

Euro racism Biyombo played IN FREAKING SPAIN before NBA. For TWO YEARS.

they killed Biyombo (who was treated as a virus and outsider from the start

What a hell did you took today ?
Biyombo was trash in each and every single year he was in nba. T.R.A.S.H.

His RPM in Orlando ( -2,4) is in line with his career RPM ( -2,6).
His TS in Orlando ( 55%) is in line with his career TS ( 54,8%)
His 5,6 ppg in Orlando is in line with his career ppg (5,1)


He was literally everything he showed before and after Olrando. Well below average rotation player who is strong as bull, but has no basketball skills and at end of a day is 6'9 , stone hands C.

Fournier ripped Vogel for trying Gordon at SF..

You mean Fournier said what every nba fan, even casual one knew ' That Aaron Gordon is PF, that he has no basketball skills to play SF and that transfer to SF will kill his producition? You just proved two things:
1) Evan knows basketball way more than Vogel and you
2) He was right all along and Vogel ruind Gordon by wispering in his ear he is new Paul George

4 years later Gordon at SF NEVER improved, and is now comming of the worst season of his career since rookie year. Playing SF. Case closed. Evan knows basketball, Gordon still belives in sweet nothings that bad coach told him.

I have to say, i saw lot of bad comments here, this one is probably the worst. You menaged to prove that you don't understand basketball ( nothing new) but also have crazy claims and throw random " racist" comments when you have nothing better to say or make strong argument for or against. This is new low even for you. For God's sake you talk about "euro racism" not knowing Spain in Europe. Good Lord . OR not knowing Ibaka has Spanish citizenship and spent half of his childhood in Europe. Anyway, with internet everything is 2 clicks away so being uninformed is flat out unacceptable

And whole race thing becomes even dummer if you know that Evan isn't even from Europe himself, as his mother is from Alegria, as she belongs to Berber etnic group, witch means he is half arab. Jesus Christ more i think about your stupid comment more angry i get how dumb it is.

I said I wondered about it... so of course in the way you interpret things, you took it as me preaching it. lol

Did I say Biyombo was great? What the heck are you reading??? How about I try to be more clear... Biyombo's worst period of his career was in ORL. Wonder why...

...and Fournier ripping Gordon at SF doesn't mean what he's saying is wrong. That's neither here or there. It's besides the point. The point is he's bashing his teammate and that is a FANTASTIC way of ruining team chemistry. Credit to AG for keeping his head high. Fournier bashing a young player on a career night is exactly the type of vitriol that has hurt this team.

[Tarheel]

Euro Racism

[jezzerinho]

Before Vuc showed us what he had never before by putting in a dominant playoff performance, I'd have been in favour of cashing in on him to break up buddyball. Now I'm not so sure.

And as Pepe says, there aren't many better players than Fournier that Orl could reasticially get.

I wonder if the Magic would try to get DeRozan as a SG/SF by offloading Gordon, Birch and maybe Ross too. Keep Evan as a 3rd option and more a shooter, together with Okeke/Aminu from 4. MCW as jack of all trades rotation guy and DJ on a reduced deal.

[tiderulz]

Before Vuc showed us what he had never before by putting in a dominant playoff performance, I'd have been in favour of cashing in on him to break up buddyball. Now I'm not so sure.

And as Pepe says, there aren't many better players than Fournier that Orl could reasticially get.

I wonder if the Magic would try to get DeRozan as a SG/SF by offloading Gordon, Birch and maybe Ross too. Keep Evan as a 3rd option and more a shooter, together with Okeke/Aminu from 4. MCW as jack of all trades rotation guy and DJ on a reduced deal.

he has only been the playoffs twice (i dont count that first one as a rookie, 1 game 3 minutes)

[jezzerinho]

True, but disappearing in the clutch is something we've seen from him in the RS too.

[Skybox]

True, but disappearing in the clutch is something we've seen from him in the RS too.

I have to disagree...if there's one thing Vuc is - it's reliable. He's not spectacular but he gets his 15/10 more often than not. Unlike, for example AG, who'll go for 25 then 6 the next night. I'm all for moving Vuc but I'd say consistency is his trademark.

[Xatticus]

Remember those times that Oladipo, Tobias Harris, KOQ, and other players that left the Magic talked about their time here and everyone just playing for themselves/their numbers and there was no teamwork or chemistry. Turns out Evan and Vuc are still here after running those guys through that ****. Why do you think that would change?

Keep Vuc, dump Evan's trash arse.

Yep. That's the culture of selfishness that ultimately formed buddy ball. Oladipo said there was a certain unnamed Magic player that he would never want to play with again.

It's so bad, I don't wanna say it... but I almost wonder if it's centered on some kind of pro-Euro racism. I gotta give them credit for their bond though. They got each other big new deals during contract seasons... they broke down Ibaka (who was all excited to bring what he learned to ORL, but soon realized that it would run on deaf ears)... they killed Biyombo (who was treated as a virus and outsider from the start)... Fournier ripped Vogel for trying Gordon at SF.... not to mention the time he called Gordon selfish for having a scoring career night. lol

When Oladipo was here, the team used to do all kinds of bonding activities, posting all over twitter... and now you don't see anything like that. If you do, it's in the same small groups.

Bro, congratulation, you just won "dummest comment of a decade "award

Not only that you menaged to debunk your own crazy claim in one paragraph, you went full R.... . And like Robert Downey Jr said " never go full R..."
Euro racism --- goes to talk about how they allegedly runned out Ibaka. Serge Ibaka, born in Congo,moved to France ( Evan's born country) ,learned French, moved to Spain, got citizenship, played for Spain National team. Last time i checked, France and Spain are both in FREAKING EUROPE!

Euro racism Biyombo played IN FREAKING SPAIN before NBA. For TWO YEARS.

they killed Biyombo (who was treated as a virus and outsider from the start

What a hell did you took today ?
Biyombo was trash in each and every single year he was in nba. T.R.A.S.H.

His RPM in Orlando ( -2,4) is in line with his career RPM ( -2,6).
His TS in Orlando ( 55%) is in line with his career TS ( 54,8%)
His 5,6 ppg in Orlando is in line with his career ppg (5,1)


He was literally everything he showed before and after Olrando. Well below average rotation player who is strong as bull, but has no basketball skills and at end of a day is 6'9 , stone hands C.

Fournier ripped Vogel for trying Gordon at SF..

You mean Fournier said what every nba fan, even casual one knew ' That Aaron Gordon is PF, that he has no basketball skills to play SF and that transfer to SF will kill his producition? You just proved two things:
1) Evan knows basketball way more than Vogel and you
2) He was right all along and Vogel ruind Gordon by wispering in his ear he is new Paul George

4 years later Gordon at SF NEVER improved, and is now comming of the worst season of his career since rookie year. Playing SF. Case closed. Evan knows basketball, Gordon still belives in sweet nothings that bad coach told him.

I have to say, i saw lot of bad comments here, this one is probably the worst. You menaged to prove that you don't understand basketball ( nothing new) but also have crazy claims and throw random " racist" comments when you have nothing better to say or make strong argument for or against. This is new low even for you. For God's sake you talk about "euro racism" not knowing Spain in Europe. Good Lord . OR not knowing Ibaka has Spanish citizenship and spent half of his childhood in Europe. Anyway, with internet everything is 2 clicks away so being uninformed is flat out unacceptable

And whole race thing becomes even dummer if you know that Evan isn't even 100% from Europe himself, nor he is "white Euro" or whatever racist fuc**y comes in your mind nowdays, as his mother is from Alegria, as she belongs to Berber etnic group, witch means he is half arab. Jesus Christ more i think about your stupid comment more angry i get how dumb it is.

Not that I'm trying to validate Skin's claims, but racism has nothing to do with citizenship or nationality. What he is referring to is a different sort of bigotry, so it was probably a poor choice of words, but the distinction is fairly irrelevant considering that the players in question are not originally from Europe. You've made the claim that there is an anti-Euro bigotry, so I don't really see why you'd be bothered by his post. If one is possible, then surely both are?

[The Effect]

been saying it for the past 2 years and this bubble is just making my point for me every day
The #1 thing this teams needs to find is our Jamal Murray! We need that alpha scorer that not only can initiate an offense, but can put the team on his back and put up 50 and win the game. No more wasting our time looking for 3&D defenders or guys with 14ft wingspans.
Go get the guy who can carry a team and put the ball in the basket!

Its barley even 3&D. Its just D. I agree with you though. Its why Im so confused that people are against drafting Cole Anthony. He at least has potentail to be a shot creater. He wont be on the board at 15 but if somehow he is he should be in the mix at the very least.

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Yeah im all for Anthony if hes there

Id also take a shot on RJ Hampton reaching his potential here and Ramsey as well

My ideal scenario still would be a trade for the #1 pick (i literally dont care waht it would take, do it!) and get anthony edwards

But ill be very disappointed if we leave the first round of the draft without one of those 4 guys

[VFX]

been saying it for the past 2 years and this bubble is just making my point for me every day
The #1 thing this teams needs to find is our Jamal Murray! We need that alpha scorer that not only can initiate an offense, but can put the team on his back and put up 50 and win the game. No more wasting our time looking for 3&D defenders or guys with 14ft wingspans.
Go get the guy who can carry a team and put the ball in the basket!

Its barley even 3&D. Its just D. I agree with you though. Its why Im so confused that people are against drafting Cole Anthony. He at least has potentail to be a shot creater. He wont be on the board at 15 but if somehow he is he should be in the mix at the very least.

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He was probably the least impressive guard prospect of the group this season. He will likely be there at 15 because of how hard his stock dropped during his college season. If he’s drafted high it’ll be because of high school exposure. He can definitely score, but he’s not necessarily a playmaker.

Still, I’d much rather us draft him than a big. What does a Fultz/Anthony back court even look like?

[IllMagic04]

been saying it for the past 2 years and this bubble is just making my point for me every day
The #1 thing this teams needs to find is our Jamal Murray! We need that alpha scorer that not only can initiate an offense, but can put the team on his back and put up 50 and win the game. No more wasting our time looking for 3&D defenders or guys with 14ft wingspans.
Go get the guy who can carry a team and put the ball in the basket!

Its barley even 3&D. Its just D. I agree with you though. Its why Im so confused that people are against drafting Cole Anthony. He at least has potentail to be a shot creater. He wont be on the board at 15 but if somehow he is he should be in the mix at the very least.

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He was probably the least impressive guard prospect of the group this season. He will likely be there at 15 because of how hard his stock dropped during his college season. If he’s drafted high it’ll be because of high school exposure. He can definitely score, but he’s not necessarily a playmaker.

Still, I’d much rather us draft him than a big. What does a Fultz/Anthony back court even look like?

He had a tough freshman year for sure. The tools are def there though. At pick 15 that skillset is something Id be willing to roll the dice on. For me the guys that might be in our range that I want are Anthony, Terry, Maxey or Kira Lewis. Not in that order Im just naming them.

As far as how it would look with Fultz Im not worried about it. Fultz was way better then I thought hed be but Im still not sold. For now Fultz is the starter and Cole ( or another pg) could back up. You can expierement with them together. Im not expecting the 15 pick to be a starter really though. If it happens then we figure it out then

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[SOUL]

"Pro-euro racism" is definitely a bad term, Skin. Not even sure what you're referring to there but I think you definitely chose the wrong phrasing.

I mean, there are posters with a heavy European bias due to living in Europe. It's natural to have that though. I think it's less like Americans have an "American bias" since the NBA is a league that is still a majority American born, but you see people being biased from certain schools, etc.

That doesn't equal "racism" though, unless they're specifically only (x) race players succeed, which I truly doubt. And I know posters who have posted with anti-European bias too, especially after the Bargnani draft, people were very wary around here because of Fran Vasquez, then Hezonja, etc.

All I know is I've gotten tired of a lot of players throughout the years here and there's nothing in common, maybe besides **** vets getting a lot of minutes and opportunity when they're past their prime. Fournier isn't in that category, I just think we need to move on from him and a few others just because we've hit our ceiling IMO and it makes sense with the contracts (either this offseason or next). Hit the reset button and try different combinations because our core guys are only going to take us so far.

[pepe1991]

Yep. That's the culture of selfishness that ultimately formed buddy ball. Oladipo said there was a certain unnamed Magic player that he would never want to play with again.

It's so bad, I don't wanna say it... but I almost wonder if it's centered on some kind of pro-Euro racism. I gotta give them credit for their bond though. They got each other big new deals during contract seasons... they broke down Ibaka (who was all excited to bring what he learned to ORL, but soon realized that it would run on deaf ears)... they killed Biyombo (who was treated as a virus and outsider from the start)... Fournier ripped Vogel for trying Gordon at SF.... not to mention the time he called Gordon selfish for having a scoring career night. lol

When Oladipo was here, the team used to do all kinds of bonding activities, posting all over twitter... and now you don't see anything like that. If you do, it's in the same small groups.

Bro, congratulation, you just won "dummest comment of a decade "award

Not only that you menaged to debunk your own crazy claim in one paragraph, you went full R.... . And like Robert Downey Jr said " never go full R..."
Euro racism --- goes to talk about how they allegedly runned out Ibaka. Serge Ibaka, born in Congo,moved to France ( Evan's born country) ,learned French, moved to Spain, got citizenship, played for Spain National team. Last time i checked, France and Spain are both in FREAKING EUROPE!

Euro racism Biyombo played IN FREAKING SPAIN before NBA. For TWO YEARS.

they killed Biyombo (who was treated as a virus and outsider from the start

What a hell did you took today ?
Biyombo was trash in each and every single year he was in nba. T.R.A.S.H.

His RPM in Orlando ( -2,4) is in line with his career RPM ( -2,6).
His TS in Orlando ( 55%) is in line with his career TS ( 54,8%)
His 5,6 ppg in Orlando is in line with his career ppg (5,1)


He was literally everything he showed before and after Olrando. Well below average rotation player who is strong as bull, but has no basketball skills and at end of a day is 6'9 , stone hands C.

Fournier ripped Vogel for trying Gordon at SF..

You mean Fournier said what every nba fan, even casual one knew ' That Aaron Gordon is PF, that he has no basketball skills to play SF and that transfer to SF will kill his producition? You just proved two things:
1) Evan knows basketball way more than Vogel and you
2) He was right all along and Vogel ruind Gordon by wispering in his ear he is new Paul George

4 years later Gordon at SF NEVER improved, and is now comming of the worst season of his career since rookie year. Playing SF. Case closed. Evan knows basketball, Gordon still belives in sweet nothings that bad coach told him.

I have to say, i saw lot of bad comments here, this one is probably the worst. You menaged to prove that you don't understand basketball ( nothing new) but also have crazy claims and throw random " racist" comments when you have nothing better to say or make strong argument for or against. This is new low even for you. For God's sake you talk about "euro racism" not knowing Spain in Europe. Good Lord . OR not knowing Ibaka has Spanish citizenship and spent half of his childhood in Europe. Anyway, with internet everything is 2 clicks away so being uninformed is flat out unacceptable

And whole race thing becomes even dummer if you know that Evan isn't even 100% from Europe himself, nor he is "white Euro" or whatever racist fuc**y comes in your mind nowdays, as his mother is from Alegria, as she belongs to Berber etnic group, witch means he is half arab. Jesus Christ more i think about your stupid comment more angry i get how dumb it is.

Not that I'm trying to validate Skin's claims, but racism has nothing to do with citizenship or nationality. What he is referring to is a different sort of bigotry, so it was probably a poor choice of words, but the distinction is fairly irrelevant considering that the players in question are not originally from Europe. You've made the claim that there is an anti-Euro bigotry, so I don't really see why you'd be bothered by his post. If one is possible, then surely both are?

Because everybody who is from Europe knows we really don't have any feeling for each other, between countries. Most of the countires were in some sort of wars in past 100-200 years and only setiment they share is some sort of animosity between each other. More often than not, animosity within same country exists. And it has virtually zero to do with race. Main reason why Europe has much less race problems is because we tend to hate other countries with passion, regardless of race. We are almost united in hate toward neighbours countries...
And if you know Evan's mother is from Africa it makes whole "euro racist"comment even dummber. I mean, he isn't even 100% from Europe, just like Vuc has nothing do with his born country - Switzerland, his father played for former Yougsolavoia but is from Montenegro and his mother is from Serbia. And whoever ever bothered to dig into Serbia- Montenegro- Yugoslavia all together issue will understand deep hate between countries inside Yugoslavia and why "fifth strongest army in the world" ended up separating in one of ugliest and most confusing wars since WW2. Since i'm from Crotia, my country was part of that "devorce" that escalated into 1991 "civil" ( that wasn't civil, because all countries have different nationalities ) war between former Yougoslavia countries. War that brought first etnic cleaning and prisioner camps since WW2 ...

Once again, if you are from Europe, it's super uspetting because poster who brings it has no clue what he is talking about nor he understands political aspect of Europe. We DON'T like each other. We are every country for it's own and never get confused by Europien union. It's just economical bridge.

[jezzerinho]

Bro, congratulation, you just won "dummest comment of a decade "award

Not only that you menaged to debunk your own crazy claim in one paragraph, you went full R.... . And like Robert Downey Jr said " never go full R..."
Euro racism --- goes to talk about how they allegedly runned out Ibaka. Serge Ibaka, born in Congo,moved to France ( Evan's born country) ,learned French, moved to Spain, got citizenship, played for Spain National team. Last time i checked, France and Spain are both in FREAKING EUROPE!

Euro racism Biyombo played IN FREAKING SPAIN before NBA. For TWO YEARS.



What a hell did you took today ?
Biyombo was trash in each and every single year he was in nba. T.R.A.S.H.

His RPM in Orlando ( -2,4) is in line with his career RPM ( -2,6).
His TS in Orlando ( 55%) is in line with his career TS ( 54,8%)
His 5,6 ppg in Orlando is in line with his career ppg (5,1)


He was literally everything he showed before and after Olrando. Well below average rotation player who is strong as bull, but has no basketball skills and at end of a day is 6'9 , stone hands C.



You mean Fournier said what every nba fan, even casual one knew ' That Aaron Gordon is PF, that he has no basketball skills to play SF and that transfer to SF will kill his producition? You just proved two things:
1) Evan knows basketball way more than Vogel and you
2) He was right all along and Vogel ruind Gordon by wispering in his ear he is new Paul George

4 years later Gordon at SF NEVER improved, and is now comming of the worst season of his career since rookie year. Playing SF. Case closed. Evan knows basketball, Gordon still belives in sweet nothings that bad coach told him.

I have to say, i saw lot of bad comments here, this one is probably the worst. You menaged to prove that you don't understand basketball ( nothing new) but also have crazy claims and throw random " racist" comments when you have nothing better to say or make strong argument for or against. This is new low even for you. For God's sake you talk about "euro racism" not knowing Spain in Europe. Good Lord . OR not knowing Ibaka has Spanish citizenship and spent half of his childhood in Europe. Anyway, with internet everything is 2 clicks away so being uninformed is flat out unacceptable

And whole race thing becomes even dummer if you know that Evan isn't even 100% from Europe himself, nor he is "white Euro" or whatever racist fuc**y comes in your mind nowdays, as his mother is from Alegria, as she belongs to Berber etnic group, witch means he is half arab. Jesus Christ more i think about your stupid comment more angry i get how dumb it is.

Not that I'm trying to validate Skin's claims, but racism has nothing to do with citizenship or nationality. What he is referring to is a different sort of bigotry, so it was probably a poor choice of words, but the distinction is fairly irrelevant considering that the players in question are not originally from Europe. You've made the claim that there is an anti-Euro bigotry, so I don't really see why you'd be bothered by his post. If one is possible, then surely both are?

Because everybody who is from Europe knows we really don't have any feeling for each other, between countries. Most of the countires were in some sort of wars in past 100-200 years and only setiment they share is some sort of animosity between each other. More often than not, animosity within same country exists. And it has virtually zero to do with race. Main reason why Europe has much less race problems is because we tend to hate other countries with passion, regardless of race. We are almost united in hate toward neighbours countries...
And if you know Evan's mother is from Africa it makes whole "euro racist"comment even dummber. I mean, he isn't even 100% from Europe, just like Vuc has nothing do with his born country - Switzerland, his father played for former Yougsolavoia but is from Montenegro and his mother is from Serbia. And whoever ever bothered to dig into Serbia- Montenegro- Yugoslavia all together issue will understand deep hate between countries inside Yugoslavia and why "fifth strongest army in the world" ended up separating in one of ugliest and most confusing wars since WW2. Since i'm from Crotia, my country was part of that "devorce" that escalated into 1991 "civil" ( that wasn't civil, because all countries have different nationalities ) war between former Yougoslavia countries. War that brought first etnic cleaning and prisioner camps since WW2 ...

Once again, if you are from Europe, it's super uspetting because poster who brings it has no clue what he is talking about nor he understands political aspect of Europe. We DON'T like each other. We are every country for it's own and never get confused by Europien union. It's just economical bridge.

I couldnt agree much less with this post, but to each his/her own. I can't imagine growing up in the Balkans, but I'd be very slow to extrapolate whatever hatred was there between countries into similar hatred between all other European countries. Rivalry, sure. Hatred? Hmmm.

[pepe1991]

Not that I'm trying to validate Skin's claims, but racism has nothing to do with citizenship or nationality. What he is referring to is a different sort of bigotry, so it was probably a poor choice of words, but the distinction is fairly irrelevant considering that the players in question are not originally from Europe. You've made the claim that there is an anti-Euro bigotry, so I don't really see why you'd be bothered by his post. If one is possible, then surely both are?

Because everybody who is from Europe knows we really don't have any feeling for each other, between countries. Most of the countires were in some sort of wars in past 100-200 years and only setiment they share is some sort of animosity between each other. More often than not, animosity within same country exists. And it has virtually zero to do with race. Main reason why Europe has much less race problems is because we tend to hate other countries with passion, regardless of race. We are almost united in hate toward neighbours countries...
And if you know Evan's mother is from Africa it makes whole "euro racist"comment even dummber. I mean, he isn't even 100% from Europe, just like Vuc has nothing do with his born country - Switzerland, his father played for former Yougsolavoia but is from Montenegro and his mother is from Serbia. And whoever ever bothered to dig into Serbia- Montenegro- Yugoslavia all together issue will understand deep hate between countries inside Yugoslavia and why "fifth strongest army in the world" ended up separating in one of ugliest and most confusing wars since WW2. Since i'm from Crotia, my country was part of that "devorce" that escalated into 1991 "civil" ( that wasn't civil, because all countries have different nationalities ) war between former Yougoslavia countries. War that brought first etnic cleaning and prisioner camps since WW2 ...

Once again, if you are from Europe, it's super uspetting because poster who brings it has no clue what he is talking about nor he understands political aspect of Europe. We DON'T like each other. We are every country for it's own and never get confused by Europien union. It's just economical bridge.

I couldnt agree much less with this post, but to each his/her own. I can't imagine growing up in the Balkans, but I'd be very slow to extrapolate whatever hatred was there between countries into similar hatred between all other European countries. Rivalry, sure. Hatred? Hmmm.

Both World Wars started in Europe. WW1 started right here, around my country, as Austrian- Hungarian king was killed by Gavrilo Princip under command of "great Bosnia".
WW2 started un-officialy started with Spanish civil war, officially with Germany attacking Poland. ( once again, middle Europe).

Read Srebrenica 1995 genocide, over 8000 men ( among them lot of kids) killed ( all civilians). All muslims.

1999 Nato bombing former Yugoslavia because of Kosovo.

This isn't some ancitent history, it happend 20-25 years ago.

I'm 28 years old, living in Croatia, half of my family spent first 4 years of my life in shealters or in first lines of defense from " great Serbia", who used Yugoslavia army and weapons to found rebaled Serbs inside Croatia and Bosnia to start war, by literally fake news and polital propaganda.

Once again, not ancient history, happend 20 years ago.

I mean, right now Graet Britain left Europien union, Russia has no interest joining anything similar. Europe is continent with mulitiple countires. It's like saying America -racist, meaning Canda, Mexico, Argentina Brasil "racism" it doesn't even make sense.

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Its barley even 3&D. Its just D. I agree with you though. Its why Im so confused that people are against drafting Cole Anthony. He at least has potentail to be a shot creater. He wont be on the board at 15 but if somehow he is he should be in the mix at the very least.

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He was probably the least impressive guard prospect of the group this season. He will likely be there at 15 because of how hard his stock dropped during his college season. If he’s drafted high it’ll be because of high school exposure. He can definitely score, but he’s not necessarily a playmaker.

Still, I’d much rather us draft him than a big. What does a Fultz/Anthony back court even look like?

He had a tough freshman year for sure. The tools are def there though. At pick 15 that skillset is something Id be willing to roll the dice on. For me the guys that might be in our range that I want are Anthony, Terry, Maxey or Kira Lewis. Not in that order Im just naming them.

As far as how it would look with Fultz Im not worried about it. Fultz was way better then I thought hed be but Im still not sold. For now Fultz is the starter and Cole ( or another pg) could back up. You can expierement with them together. Im not expecting the 15 pick to be a starter really though. If it happens then we figure it out then

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Yeah, that’s the issue I see with Anthony. I would rather have Terry, Maxey, or Lewis before him, and probably in that order. It’s debatable which of these players is BPA at 15 and i would bet 3/4 of them will be available when we pick. Maxey is probably the best defender out of that group with Terry being the best shooter. Both of which would probably pair better with Fultz if it wasn’t clear which of these guys was the obvious BPA.

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We need to weed out some of these guys and build a team that likes each other. Look at Miami after they got rid of Winslow Waiters, and Whiteside. Butler says he enjoys being with that group of guys. He hated the Twolves, because they had the same culture as we do now. A couple guys that get big usage, but can't stop anyone on defense.


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[pepe1991]

We need to weed out some of these guys and build a team that likes each other. Look at Miami after they got rid of Winslow Waiters, and Whiteside. Butler says he enjoys being with that group of guys. He hated the Twolves, because they had the same culture as we do now. A couple guys that get big usage, but can't stop anyone on defense.


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Wiggins and Towns were, and still are by stats, among the worst defenders at their position. Towns at least has offensive value, Wiggins has no strenghts in his game.
Main reason why Butler hated them was because they were lazy, spoiled kids who were showing up at practice and games exhausted from playing playstation and comp games whole night long

Heat roster is polar opposite of what half of fans here want. Butler, Crowder, Dragic, Igoudala all 30+ y.o. Only young guys they have are Adebayo and Herro.
Duncan Robinson is year and half younger than Fournier

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That’s pure Heat drafting and scouting. They don’t care about an age that left the prospect range. It’s a player who’s going to fit in within 1-2 years. And it’s funny, because some of those same low-ceiling players still either a) have great careers/impacts, and/or b) fool teams around the league into overpaying them.

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I still do a Nesmith draft. If there’s a superstar hiding, it’s probably not a top 4 pick this year, so landing two mid 1sts sounds good for once. Nesmith on one. Your hidden, very high BPA on the other.

Such a trade wouldn’t cost much either, imo.
How psyched would y’all be to see Okeke and Nesmith lighting it up, Fultz making yet another jump, and a hidden draftee starting to make waves.

Then all of a sudden, already All-Defensive JI and cap space are coming back next year too. And your three best vets (Vooch, TRoss, AG-pseudo-vet) keep increasing value with decreasing contracts.