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Post#2601 » by Dalek » Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:05 am

Cassius Winston is the most Raptor guy in the draft for me. Just so advanced in all his reads, passing bullets to the weakside with his left hand, amazing lob passes, punishes drop coverages with deep threes, floaters. The guy is as smart as Kyle Lowry. At least he is the closest heir to the throne.

His defense is nowhere near Kyle's but this guy is exactly who they need to organize the bench. You let him play with TD and Powell and draft an athletic big at 59 like Nick Richards or Udoka Azuibuke or Mamadi Diakite and you have some guys who will cover for his iffy D.

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Post#2602 » by Psubs » Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:22 pm

Dalek wrote:Cassius Winston is the most Raptor guy in the draft for me. Just so advanced in all his reads, passing bullets to the weakside with his left hand, amazing lob passes, punishes drop coverages with deep threes, floaters. The guy is as smart as Kyle Lowry. At least he is the closest heir to the throne.

His defense is nowhere near Kyle's but this guy is exactly who they need to organize the bench. You let him play with TD and Powell and draft an athletic big at 59 like Nick Richards or Udoka Azuibuke or Mamadi Diakite and you have some guys who will cover for his iffy D.

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Would he be more like Darren Collison?



I wouldn't mind trading down for 2 early 2nds and taking Winston and Tillman. #29 and #59 for #34 and #36?
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Post#2603 » by WeTheNorth123 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:08 pm

Dalek wrote:Close your eyes, and listen to this interview with Cassius Winston. He sounds exactly like Kyle Lowry it is almost eerie. I have been watching his film a lot recently and I think he will be a good pro. Solid shooter who is going to make others around him better with his passing. He plays pick and roll really well. Probably the best floor general with shooting in the draft.



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Post#2604 » by Kevin Willis » Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:14 pm

Dalek wrote:Cassius Winston is the most Raptor guy in the draft for me. Just so advanced in all his reads, passing bullets to the weakside with his left hand, amazing lob passes, punishes drop coverages with deep threes, floaters. The guy is as smart as Kyle Lowry. At least he is the closest heir to the throne.

His defense is nowhere near Kyle's but this guy is exactly who they need to organize the bench. You let him play with TD and Powell and draft an athletic big at 59 like Nick Richards or Udoka Azuibuke or Mamadi Diakite and you have some guys who will cover for his iffy D.

Spoiler:
https://youtu.be/DLFrKBvlRoY


If we don't sign FVV then he might be interesting. He's small and unathletic and would have problems guarding teams like Boston. Plus he's not a great defender. But he could play the FVV off the bench role. He might really drop if he gets overlooked for sexier picks.
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Post#2605 » by Dalek » Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:22 pm

Psubs wrote:
Dalek wrote:Cassius Winston is the most Raptor guy in the draft for me. Just so advanced in all his reads, passing bullets to the weakside with his left hand, amazing lob passes, punishes drop coverages with deep threes, floaters. The guy is as smart as Kyle Lowry. At least he is the closest heir to the throne.

His defense is nowhere near Kyle's but this guy is exactly who they need to organize the bench. You let him play with TD and Powell and draft an athletic big at 59 like Nick Richards or Udoka Azuibuke or Mamadi Diakite and you have some guys who will cover for his iffy D.

Spoiler:
https://youtu.be/DLFrKBvlRoY


Would he be more like Darren Collison?



I wouldn't mind trading down for 2 early 2nds and taking Winston and Tillman. #29 and #59 for #34 and #36?


I can see some similarities but I guess the size and speed are different. Winston is 200 lbs and slower than Collison who was like lightning coming in.

Trade downs are hard because we don't have a top 20 pick but that would be great value. If you want a similar passing big maybe Kaleb Wesson would be in range
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Post#2606 » by nabbs » Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:45 pm

Dalek wrote:Cassius Winston is the most Raptor guy in the draft for me. Just so advanced in all his reads, passing bullets to the weakside with his left hand, amazing lob passes, punishes drop coverages with deep threes, floaters. The guy is as smart as Kyle Lowry. At least he is the closest heir to the throne.

His defense is nowhere near Kyle's but this guy is exactly who they need to organize the bench. You let him play with TD and Powell and draft an athletic big at 59 like Nick Richards or Udoka Azuibuke or Mamadi Diakite and you have some guys who will cover for his iffy D.

Spoiler:
https://youtu.be/DLFrKBvlRoY



Cassius Winston is an excellent pick and roll PG that is a stabilizer and floor raiser. He is an excellent playmaker to have. I'd love to get him but definitely not in the first. I'd rather trade down for him.

Ideally, he goes undrafted and the Raptors swoop in. To me, he is an Andre Miller type. He'll be in the league for a long time.
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Post#2607 » by Syd-TK3 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:49 pm

I now I said before that it'd be hard to find minutes for him cause we have so many guards already but watching Herro have such a impact with the Heat really does make me think about Isaiah Joe, shooting is just so important
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Post#2608 » by HeadtopChunes » Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:00 pm

Syd-TK3 wrote:I now I said before that it'd be hard to find minutes for him cause we have so many guards already but watching Herro have such a impact with the Heat really does make me think about Isaiah Joe, shooting is just so important


Herro has way more of a handle than Joe so it’s easier to play him in different lineups. but I think your overall point is right.

You can never have enough players who can shoot/dribble/pass. Especially the shooting part lol


I think one thing Nick can improve on as a coach is offensive creativity.

Especially without an elite half court creator we could really use all the off-ball actions that teams like Miami and Denver run to get their players free
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Post#2609 » by WeTheNorth123 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:10 pm

Syd-TK3 wrote:I now I said before that it'd be hard to find minutes for him cause we have so many guards already but watching Herro have such a impact with the Heat really does make me think about Isaiah Joe, shooting is just so important


really like his form + quick release

wish he was a bit stronger and a better slasher but then he wouldn't be a player that was available at our draft spot loll
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Post#2610 » by HeadtopChunes » Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:12 pm

WeTheNorth123 wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:I now I said before that it'd be hard to find minutes for him cause we have so many guards already but watching Herro have such a impact with the Heat really does make me think about Isaiah Joe, shooting is just so important


really like his form + quick release

wish he was a bit stronger and a better slasher but than he wouldn't be a player that was available at our draft spot loll


We can fix the stronger part at least lol
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Post#2611 » by Bruin » Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:18 pm

WeTheNorth123 wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:I now I said before that it'd be hard to find minutes for him cause we have so many guards already but watching Herro have such a impact with the Heat really does make me think about Isaiah Joe, shooting is just so important


really like his form + quick release

wish he was a bit stronger and a better slasher but then he wouldn't be a player that was available at our draft spot loll

Isnt Joe returning to college?
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Post#2612 » by WeTheNorth123 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:18 pm

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WeTheNorth123 wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:I now I said before that it'd be hard to find minutes for him cause we have so many guards already but watching Herro have such a impact with the Heat really does make me think about Isaiah Joe, shooting is just so important


really like his form + quick release

wish he was a bit stronger and a better slasher but then he wouldn't be a player that was available at our draft spot loll

Isnt Joe returning to college?


He changed his mind i think...i think he is staying in the draft!
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Post#2613 » by Syd-TK3 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:11 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:I now I said before that it'd be hard to find minutes for him cause we have so many guards already but watching Herro have such a impact with the Heat really does make me think about Isaiah Joe, shooting is just so important


Herro has way more of a handle than Joe so it’s easier to play him in different lineups. but I think your overall point is right.

You can never have enough players who can shoot/dribble/pass. Especially the shooting part lol


I think one thing Nick can improve on as a coach is offensive creativity.

Especially without an elite half court creator we could really use all the off-ball actions that teams like Miami and Denver run to get their players free

Yeah Herro is also a very underrated passer so when the shot isn't there he can do more almost Booker like with less size.

I don't expect Joe to be that good but he atleast brings everything Thomas did while being better on defense and possessing some moves to actually get his shot off without running plays for him.
We definitely lack cutting and off-ball action though, atleast once every game we went 3-4mins without making a basket and that can't happen
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Post#2614 » by Bruin » Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:11 pm

WeTheNorth123 wrote:
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WeTheNorth123 wrote:
really like his form + quick release

wish he was a bit stronger and a better slasher but then he wouldn't be a player that was available at our draft spot loll

Isnt Joe returning to college?


He changed his mind i think...i think he is staying in the draft!

Oh okay great! I like him potentially for our pick. How is he defensively?
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Post#2615 » by HeadtopChunes » Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:23 pm

Syd-TK3 wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:I now I said before that it'd be hard to find minutes for him cause we have so many guards already but watching Herro have such a impact with the Heat really does make me think about Isaiah Joe, shooting is just so important


Herro has way more of a handle than Joe so it’s easier to play him in different lineups. but I think your overall point is right.

You can never have enough players who can shoot/dribble/pass. Especially the shooting part lol


I think one thing Nick can improve on as a coach is offensive creativity.

Especially without an elite half court creator we could really use all the off-ball actions that teams like Miami and Denver run to get their players free

Yeah Herro is also a very underrated passer so when the shot isn't there he can do more almost Booker like with less size.

I don't expect Joe to be that good but he atleast brings everything Thomas did while being better on defense and possessing some moves to actually get his shot off without running plays for him.
We definitely lack cutting and off-ball action though, atleast once every game we went 3-4mins without making a basket and that can't happen


Considering playing Joe and Matt together, Matt might have more in his bag in terms of playmaking.

If we are sticking with the Heat analogy, maybe Matt is the Herro and Joe can be the Duncan?
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Post#2616 » by Dalek » Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:32 pm

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Dalek wrote:Cassius Winston is the most Raptor guy in the draft for me. Just so advanced in all his reads, passing bullets to the weakside with his left hand, amazing lob passes, punishes drop coverages with deep threes, floaters. The guy is as smart as Kyle Lowry. At least he is the closest heir to the throne.

His defense is nowhere near Kyle's but this guy is exactly who they need to organize the bench. You let him play with TD and Powell and draft an athletic big at 59 like Nick Richards or Udoka Azuibuke or Mamadi Diakite and you have some guys who will cover for his iffy D.

Spoiler:
https://youtu.be/DLFrKBvlRoY


If we don't sign FVV then he might be interesting. He's small and unathletic and would have problems guarding teams like Boston. Plus he's not a great defender. But he could play the FVV off the bench role. He might really drop if he gets overlooked for sexier picks.


I feel like the main complaint about a FVV led team is that he isn't a high IQ passer at times and has tunnel vision. Lowry provides balance and in the same way Winston would do the same.

Winston will come in, learn more from Lowry in a short time and add some bulk and in year two we will really see whether he can start. As a back-up, he is a perfect compliment to TD II. Winston knows how to set-up shooters, and can play off ball if TD II or Powell are handling. I don't think there is a higher IQ player in the draft.

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Post#2617 » by Syd-TK3 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:39 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
Herro has way more of a handle than Joe so it’s easier to play him in different lineups. but I think your overall point is right.

You can never have enough players who can shoot/dribble/pass. Especially the shooting part lol


I think one thing Nick can improve on as a coach is offensive creativity.

Especially without an elite half court creator we could really use all the off-ball actions that teams like Miami and Denver run to get their players free

Yeah Herro is also a very underrated passer so when the shot isn't there he can do more almost Booker like with less size.

I don't expect Joe to be that good but he atleast brings everything Thomas did while being better on defense and possessing some moves to actually get his shot off without running plays for him.
We definitely lack cutting and off-ball action though, atleast once every game we went 3-4mins without making a basket and that can't happen


Considering playing Joe and Matt together, Matt might have more in his bag in terms of playmaking.

If we are sticking with the Heat analogy, maybe Matt is the Herro and Joe can be the Duncan?

Could be possible. You'd definitely need lowry and siakam out there to keep the other defenders attention and help with the passing.

In terms of size it makes sense but I'd say Joe is more Herro because they can get off their own shot and use a couple of moves whereas the others are movement/open shooter guys but more automatic
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Post#2618 » by nabbs » Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:04 pm

Dalek wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:
Dalek wrote:Cassius Winston is the most Raptor guy in the draft for me. Just so advanced in all his reads, passing bullets to the weakside with his left hand, amazing lob passes, punishes drop coverages with deep threes, floaters. The guy is as smart as Kyle Lowry. At least he is the closest heir to the throne.

His defense is nowhere near Kyle's but this guy is exactly who they need to organize the bench. You let him play with TD and Powell and draft an athletic big at 59 like Nick Richards or Udoka Azuibuke or Mamadi Diakite and you have some guys who will cover for his iffy D.

Spoiler:
https://youtu.be/DLFrKBvlRoY


If we don't sign FVV then he might be interesting. He's small and unathletic and would have problems guarding teams like Boston. Plus he's not a great defender. But he could play the FVV off the bench role. He might really drop if he gets overlooked for sexier picks.


I feel like the main complaint about a FVV led team is that he isn't a high IQ passer at times and has tunnel vision. Lowry provides balance and in the same way Winston would do the same.

Winston will come in, learn more from Lowry in a short time and add some bulk and in year two we will really see whether he can start. As a back-up, he is a perfect compliment to TD II. Winston knows how to set-up shooters, and can play off ball if TD II or Powell are handling. I don't think there is a higher IQ player in the draft.

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The only real problem I have with Winston is his size. He does have the plus wingspan relative to height but I still want to emphasize size at that guard position if we do draft a guard
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Post#2619 » by OAKLEY_2 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:17 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
Herro has way more of a handle than Joe so it’s easier to play him in different lineups. but I think your overall point is right.

You can never have enough players who can shoot/dribble/pass. Especially the shooting part lol


I think one thing Nick can improve on as a coach is offensive creativity.

Especially without an elite half court creator we could really use all the off-ball actions that teams like Miami and Denver run to get their players free

Yeah Herro is also a very underrated passer so when the shot isn't there he can do more almost Booker like with less size.

I don't expect Joe to be that good but he atleast brings everything Thomas did while being better on defense and possessing some moves to actually get his shot off without running plays for him.
We definitely lack cutting and off-ball action though, atleast once every game we went 3-4mins without making a basket and that can't happen


Considering playing Joe and Matt together, Matt might have more in his bag in terms of playmaking.

If we are sticking with the Heat analogy, maybe Matt is the Herro and Joe can be the Duncan?


I think if we sign Fred we won't want our pick especially when two places later the money isn't guaranteed. A flyer on Nnaji might be worth guaranteeing some money. On the potential and a small contract. If we have KL and Fred locked up no way should we keep the pick if BPA is a guard.
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Post#2620 » by OAKLEY_2 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:19 pm

Do like the name Isiah Joe.

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