Who Should Be The Next Coach?

[Moooose]

I find it a little strange

Wasn't Nate talked about as a coach who was able to get players to buy in to their roles?

Why does it suddenly sound like he got fired because he lost the locker room?

Just to add and please correct me if I am mistaken. I think I have read or heard somewhere that Nate only knew about Vic finally playing in the bubble through social media. Something like that or he was not directly informed about it. I think he said it in one of his interviews.

And based on the players' statements so far (mostly Brogdon's), it seems that the players wanted something more dynamic, someone who can connect with the players better. Youth, not by age, but by mindset. His statements really made me think that there's no flexibility in Nate's system and that maybe he isn't a players' coach after all. Not saying Nate is bad, but if that is the kind of players we have here, it is just rightful to seek for someone more appropriate.

[Lazlo4D]

Another name... John Calipari

Players love him, both current and past. He knows how to communicate with young players. He has won.

He might be tempted to come back to the NBA. He is only 61 and he wouldn't have to move his family far.
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/kentucky-football/longtime-nba-agent-predicts-john-calipari-will-be-coaching-in-the-nba-next-season/

If the Pacers were willing to spend the money for Mike D'Antoni then Calipari could be a better deal. He also might be able to free agent recruit some of players to come here.

[Wizop]

I find it a little strange

Wasn't Nate talked about as a coach who was able to get players to buy in to their roles?

Why does it suddenly sound like he got fired because he lost the locker room?

Just to add and please correct me if I am mistaken. I think I have read or heard somewhere that Nate only knew about Vic finally playing in the bubble through social media. Something like that or he was not directly informed about it. I think he said it in one of his interviews.

And based on the players' statements so far (mostly Brogdon's), it seems that the players wanted something more dynamic, someone who can connect with the players better. Youth, not by age, but by mindset. His statements really made me think that there's no flexibility in Nate's system and that maybe he isn't a players' coach after all. Not saying Nate is bad, but if that is the kind of players we have here, it is just rightful to seek for someone more appropriate.

I'm not going to hunt for the quotation but Nate said he was taught to stay out of the players personal affairs and to let them work out locker room differences on their own.

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[Scoot McGroot]

Another name... John Calipari

Players love him, both current and past. He knows how to communicate with young players. He has won.

He might be tempted to come back to the NBA. He is only 61 and he wouldn't have to move his family far.
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/kentucky-football/longtime-nba-agent-predicts-john-calipari-will-be-coaching-in-the-nba-next-season/

If the Pacers were willing to spend the money for Mike D'Antoni then Calipari could be a better deal. He also might be able to free agent recruit some of players to come here.

Calipari would require double, or maybe even triple, of what D'Antoni will. I think D'Antoni will make $5m-ish per year. Calipari will likely require over $10m, and he'd likely demand oversight over the GM and team building, meaning Pritchard would not be part of that discussion as it would get him eliminated.

[Moooose]

I find it a little strange

Wasn't Nate talked about as a coach who was able to get players to buy in to their roles?

Why does it suddenly sound like he got fired because he lost the locker room?

Just to add and please correct me if I am mistaken. I think I have read or heard somewhere that Nate only knew about Vic finally playing in the bubble through social media. Something like that or he was not directly informed about it. I think he said it in one of his interviews.

And based on the players' statements so far (mostly Brogdon's), it seems that the players wanted something more dynamic, someone who can connect with the players better. Youth, not by age, but by mindset. His statements really made me think that there's no flexibility in Nate's system and that maybe he isn't a players' coach after all. Not saying Nate is bad, but if that is the kind of players we have here, it is just rightful to seek for someone more appropriate.

I'm not going to hunt for the quotation but Nate said he was taught to stay out of the players personal affairs and to let them work out locker room differences on their own.

Sent from my phone.

It's way worse, if that is the case. He is the coach. He has every right to know what's up with his players. Vic playing or not playing is a team concern and I think Nate has every right to dig into the matter. Anyways, doesn't matter much now.

[Topofthekey]

I find it a little strange

Wasn't Nate talked about as a coach who was able to get players to buy in to their roles?

Why does it suddenly sound like he got fired because he lost the locker room?

Just to add and please correct me if I am mistaken. I think I have read or heard somewhere that Nate only knew about Vic finally playing in the bubble through social media. Something like that or he was not directly informed about it. I think he said it in one of his interviews.

And based on the players' statements so far (mostly Brogdon's), it seems that the players wanted something more dynamic, someone who can connect with the players better. Youth, not by age, but by mindset. His statements really made me think that there's no flexibility in Nate's system and that maybe he isn't a players' coach after all. Not saying Nate is bad, but if that is the kind of players we have here, it is just rightful to seek for someone more appropriate.

I'm not going to hunt for the quotation but Nate said he was taught to stay out of the players personal affairs and to let them work out locker room differences on their own.

Sent from my phone.

That might have worked when someone like Thad Young was around

Man, so not only did Nate get bailed out on court by Vic and Domas' breakout seasons, it looks like he got bailed out in the locker room by Thad Young's presence as well

[Scoot McGroot]

Just to add and please correct me if I am mistaken. I think I have read or heard somewhere that Nate only knew about Vic finally playing in the bubble through social media. Something like that or he was not directly informed about it. I think he said it in one of his interviews.

And based on the players' statements so far (mostly Brogdon's), it seems that the players wanted something more dynamic, someone who can connect with the players better. Youth, not by age, but by mindset. His statements really made me think that there's no flexibility in Nate's system and that maybe he isn't a players' coach after all. Not saying Nate is bad, but if that is the kind of players we have here, it is just rightful to seek for someone more appropriate.

I'm not going to hunt for the quotation but Nate said he was taught to stay out of the players personal affairs and to let them work out locker room differences on their own.

Sent from my phone.

That might have worked when someone like Thad Young was around

Man, so not only did Nate get bailed out on court by Vic and Domas' breakout seasons, it looks like he got bailed out in the locker room by Thad Young's presence as well

Maybe. Very possibly. But, I wouldn't call it bailed out by Thad. It's probably just that Thad and Nate understood each other and could work together to build a solid locker room. They just had meshing styles. Thad couldn't do it alone if Nate was in conflict with it.

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[Tom White]

Another name... John Calipari

I always thought he is a much better recruiter than he is a coach. He wouldn't have to worry about all those pesky recruiting rules in the NBA.

Didn't he kind of flop in the NBA the last time around though?

[Topofthekey]

Nice. Very timely reading materials. I'm stuck in my car waiting for the rain to stop

[pacers33granger]

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I'm not a fan of Joerger based on how he clashed with management and players in his last two stops. Seems like a George Karl-like coach. Someone like that has to be elite and that's not Joerger.

[Scoot McGroot]

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I'm not a fan of Joerger based on how he clashed with management and players in his last two stops. Seems like a George Karl-like coach. Someone like that has to be elite and that's not Joerger.

I would agree. I think it’s not just getting the best coach, but the right coach. If they can scheme all day, but can’t exist in the organization and burn bridges quickly, they’re going to hurt you more than they help you.

[Wizop]

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Maybe we should just hire Caitlin or JMichael?

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[boomershadow]

I do think it's fair to point out that both GMs that Joerger reportedly clashed with were kind of hated by their fanbase and were themselves let go or demoted by their teams a few years after they fired Joerger. Whether that makes all the difference to you or absolutely no difference at all, that's your call. Marc Gasol doesn't exactly have a reputation as a coach killer, but his personality clashes with Fizdale a year or two later were even more publicized than those with Joerger. I don't think that Joerger checks all the boxes that the Pacers are looking for, especially given that we're reportedly looking for someone who can better connect with the players, but after so long with absolutely no scheme at all, I'd be super happy to have someone as competent in that department as he seems to be.

Ideally, the team needs someone who can do both connect and scheme. It's unfortunate that McMillan wasn't really able to do either, so even if the new coach specializes in one of those areas the other still needs addressed.

[pacers33granger]

I do think it's fair to point out that both GMs that Joerger reportedly clashed with were kind of hated by their fanbase and were themselves let go or demoted by their teams a few years after they fired Joerger. Whether that makes all the difference to you or absolutely no difference at all, that's your call. Marc Gasol doesn't exactly have a reputation as a coach killer, but his personality clashes with Fizdale a year or two later were even more publicized than those with Joerger. I don't think that Joerger checks all the boxes that the Pacers are looking for, especially given that we're reportedly looking for someone who can better connect with the players, but after so long with absolutely no scheme at all, I'd be super happy to have someone as competent in that department as he seems to be.

Ideally, the team needs someone who can do both connect and scheme. It's unfortunate that McMillan wasn't really able to do either, so even if the new coach specializes in one of those areas the other still needs addressed.

My gripes with Joerger are more due to the reports that he seemed to want more control than a coach of his caliber should have. Maybe that was due to front office issues, but we need someone who will be on the same page as everyone else so we can establish more of a culture. Maybe it's not totally fair to pin it on him, though it happened in each of his stops and it's a major factor in keeping Vic if he has the option to walk to a team with elite culture.

[Scoot McGroot]

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[Scoot McGroot]

The specifics from Shams:

Indiana Pacers

Former Thunder coach Billy Donovan interviewed for the Pacers last week, sources said. The Pacers are expected to interview a pool of around 12 candidates, trim the candidates approximately in half, and conduct in-person interviews

[Wizop]

WireTap has Shams saying that the top names are all vying for Philly, not us. Bigger market. Probably bigger paycheck.

[Scoot McGroot]

WireTap has Shams saying that the top names are all vying for Philly, not us. Bigger market. Probably bigger paycheck.

Also, looks like first job to hit the finalist stage. We’re still on “wide net stage”.