2020 NBA Draft Thread

[Cuban Pete]

26: jahmius Ramsay: 6foot4. Long arms6-10
Strong defender, excellent 3pt shooter. Super competitive. Can play pg-sf. Marcus smart, not as good on defense, superior shooter.

A "superior shooter" that shoots 64% from the FTL?

Justice Winslow had a great college 3pt% and had a 64% FT%.

[threrf23]

26: jahmius Ramsay: 6foot4. Long arms6-10
Strong defender, excellent 3pt shooter. Super competitive. Can play pg-sf. Marcus smart, not as good on defense, superior shooter.

A "superior shooter" that shoots 64% from the FTL?

Justice Winslow had a great college 3pt% and had a 64% FT%.

Quit with this.

Same age, Paul Pierce shot 61%, Steve Kerr shot 69%, Jason Richardson shot 55%, Jason Kapono shot 68%, Robert Horry shot 64%, Reggie Miller shot 64%. Joe Harris shot 64% as a senior.

The list probably goes on a long while, but I am lazy.

[Fencer reregistered]

I gotta bring something up. FVV was undrafted. Pascal was a what, 28 pick? Duncan Robinson, undrafted. Tyler herro, bam, both selected at 14 in their drafts.

Yea, ainge has hit it with top 3 picks. Yes, he could have picked fultz.

An ecf team is running their offense with a #13 (sorry, not 14) draft pick in herro. 1 higher than Langford, a total loser. I know these dudes aren't the same level as tatum brown, and I know I'm dissecting w/ a microscope etc, but come on, for a dude that's drafted like 16 players in the past 4 seasons, ya think the dude would hit something (besides the lottery picks).

Grant Williams made the key defensive stop in the last minute of the Toronto series. He's shooting 60% on FGs over his playoff career, and 62.5% from 3pt range. I realize there are a lot of yesbuts to all that, but the early indications are that Grant has been a successful pick.

And since you're also considering undrafted players -- Daniel Theis was undrafted too.

[winsomme2]

For the #14 pick, leaving out some most likely gone players, this is my current thinking.

Tier 1
Devin Vassell
Kira Lewis
Patrick Williams

Tier 2
Precious Achiuwa
Tyrese Maxey
Cole Anthony
Saddiq Bey


I'm afraid Tier 1 will all be off the board and Tier 2 is really hard to sort out. I like aspects of all of Tier 2 but also have reservations about each. Tier 1 I'm pretty confident have all star potential and would be extremely excited about any of the three.

What is your definition of Tier 1, 2, and maybe 3? Is there a tier 4? It seems like some people have their own definitions of the tiers sometimes so I'm just curious what yours is.

I don't have any big picture definition here. I just wanted to separate the possible picks I am highly interested and the ones I'm intrigued by but have reservations as well.

I would flat out be excited about grabbling any of the top 3. I think we would have possible all stars on our hands which is pretty cool so late in the draft. If it came from the second group, I would have my doubts about what we'd see develop. I see tons of potential but still have question marks.

Kira Lewis is going to be a beast. I feel almost 100% on that. I just think someone is gonna grab him before us.

[winsomme2]

26: jahmius Ramsay: 6foot4. Long arms6-10
Strong defender, excellent 3pt shooter. Super competitive. Can play pg-sf. Marcus smart, not as good on defense, superior shooter.

A "superior shooter" that shoots 64% from the FTL?

Justice Winslow had a great college 3pt% and had a 64% FT%.

Quit with this.

Same age, Paul Pierce shot 61%, Steve Kerr shot 69%, Jason Richardson shot 55%, Jason Kapono shot 68%, Robert Horry shot 64%, Reggie Miller shot 64%. Joe Harris shot 64% as a senior.

The list probably goes on a long while, but I am lazy.

Meh. I think any way you slice it, a bad FT% is not a good sign. I would definitely worry about his ability to hit 3s in the NBA under the pressure of the big stage given his FT%. It's certainly possible, but it's a question mark for sure.

[100proof]

A "superior shooter" that shoots 64% from the FTL?

Justice Winslow had a great college 3pt% and had a 64% FT%.

Quit with this.

Same age, Paul Pierce shot 61%, Steve Kerr shot 69%, Jason Richardson shot 55%, Jason Kapono shot 68%, Robert Horry shot 64%, Reggie Miller shot 64%. Joe Harris shot 64% as a senior.

The list probably goes on a long while, but I am lazy.

Meh. I think any way you slice it, a bad FT% is not a good sign. I would definitely worry about his ability to hit 3s in the NBA under the pressure of the big stage given his FT%. It's certainly possible, but it's a question mark for sure.

Bad Free Throws, yes, not great, but he has very good form on his shot. Shooting Mechanics overall are excellent (Unlike some recent picks here - Romeo-)

In regards to getting his shot off in the NBA, No worries at all, none.
Ramsey has arguable the best footwork coming into the draft. Jab step, side step, pull up, step back. He has them all and will be able to get his shot up at the next level. Add to that he is a legit 3 level scorer. He also hunts for scoring, Which is what we need out of a 7th or 8th man. Someone who will come into the game and not only has the ability, but has the skill to drop 10 quick points on the opponents.

HE is also an excellent defender.

Ramsey is a MUST in this draft.

[100proof]

14-Kira Lewis Jr
6foot3, long arms, elite speed. very good court vision, very good 3pt shooter. Solid pg potential. Learn from kemba and eventually take over. Ja morant lite with his ability to completely collapse defenses with his speedand good enough ball control to either finish or find open shooters on kickouts.

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26: jahmius Ramsay: 6foot4. Long arms6-10
Strong defender, excellent 3pt shooter. Super competitive. Can play pg-sf. Marcus smart, not as good on defense, superior shooter.

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30th Get isaiah joe. Trade up if need be with edwards and the 47th. Just get him.
6foot 5, lean at 180 pounds but has a lethal quick shot from anywhere. Think trae young range and speed shooting. Kid took over 10 3s per game in college and hit 39% of them. Instatnt fireplug offense. Alot like tyler herro. Quickly becoming another binkie of mine. His shooting is elite and easily translatable, having a quick trigger tall effortless shooter in your bench is ideal.

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Joe wil be considered a steal in this draft right away due to his ability to shoot.

2nd round- desmond bane, poku, scrubb, bolmaro. Lots of choices to gamble here

I like the first 2 players a lot, BUT wouldn't want to draft 2 guards.. we need at least one forward/bigman

I want us to improve the bigman rotation so bad, but you gotta go with BPA. And I think these 3 are the BPA.

I want us to target bigman improvement through trades.
Kanter and Poirier and Cash to Kings for Bjelica.
MLE on any of: Giles, Noel, Baynes, Saric, etc

Still have the option to make a deal involving Romeo, Edwards and a second for a contract up to 6.5 million in value. (alot of bigs fall into that price range)

Kemba/Kira/Edward
Brown/Smart/Joe
Tatum/Ramsey/Romeo
Hayward/Bjelica/GrantW
Theis/MLE/Timelord

[ddb]

I gotta bring something up. FVV was undrafted. Pascal was a what, 28 pick? Duncan Robinson, undrafted. Tyler herro, bam, both selected at 14 in their drafts.

Yea, ainge has hit it with top 3 picks. Yes, he could have picked fultz.

An ecf team is running their offense with a #13 (sorry, not 14) draft pick in herro. 1 higher than Langford, a total loser. I know these dudes aren't the same level as tatum brown, and I know I'm dissecting w/ a microscope etc, but come on, for a dude that's drafted like 16 players in the past 4 seasons, ya think the dude would hit something (besides the lottery picks).

Grant Williams made the key defensive stop in the last minute of the Toronto series. He's shooting 60% on FGs over his playoff career, and 62.5% from 3pt range. I realize there are a lot of yesbuts to all that, but the early indications are that Grant has been a successful pick.

And since you're also considering undrafted players -- Daniel Theis was undrafted too.

Yeah I don't think there's any doubt that Grant Williams is going to be a solid rotation player in this league.

[Zombiesonics]

doesn't patrick williams kind of overlap with grant williams as bostons 4/5 off the bench? Not too familiar with him as i was focused on vassell on fsu

Moving into the 7-12 range is crucial for ainge here. Obviously Okongwu or Wiseman is the dream, but landing hayes ,vassell, or precious would be a serious coup. Theres no doubt in my mind the best players in this draft will be selected in the later half of the lottery this year, so its a huge test to not select another langford.

[31to6]

Other bigs to consider if we’re picking at 26/30 (based on current mocks and my very limited knowledge):

Daniel Oturu — 6’10” 240 with 7’2” wingspan. In the spring he was a late lottery pick in mocks. Lots of blocks and shot 37% from 3 on good volume, but lacks foot speed and passing ability. https://nbadraftroom.com/p/daniel-oturu/ https://youtu.be/x3Ouf2JXeX0 Shows him defending alright on the perimeter when switched onto guards/wings. I’m curious!

Zeke Nnaji — looks decent? 6’11” 230, 7’1” wingspan, mobile with a workable jump shot and some wiry strength. This says he’s more 4 than 5 because of lack of rim protection, but I’d love to hear more about him from anyone who knows: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.azcentral.com/amp/5633424002

Good old Vernon Carey — 6’10” 265 with 7’0” wingspan. I know there’ve already been plenty of posts about him, not trying to trigger another round of that, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we take him and DA says he was at the top of our FO’s draft board. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.grizzlybearblues.com/platform/amp/2020/6/3/21277177/2020-nba-draft-profiles-vernon-carey-jr-duke-blue-devils-memphis-grizzlies

If we end up with three picks I think one of them has to be a big — unless the FO is higher on Rob Williams than Stevens seems to be.

[100proof]

Other bigs to consider if we’re picking at 26/30 (based on current mocks and my very limited knowledge):

Oturo — 6’10” 240 with 7’2” wingspan. In the spring he was a late lottery pick in mocks. Lots of blocks and shot 37% from 3 on good volume, but lacks foot speed and passing ability. https://nbadraftroom.com/p/daniel-oturu/ Guess I’m not as interested as I am in the next guy.

Nnaji — looks decent? 6’11” 230, 7’1” wingspan, mobile with a workable jump shot and some wiry strength. This says he’s more 4 than 5 because of lack of rim protection, but I’d love to hear more about him from anyone who knows: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.azcentral.com/amp/5633424002

Carey — 6’10” 265 with 7’0” wingspan. I know there’ve already been plenty of posts about him, not trying to trigger another round of that, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we take him and DA says he was at the top of our FO’s draft board. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.grizzlybearblues.com/platform/amp/2020/6/3/21277177/2020-nba-draft-profiles-vernon-carey-jr-duke-blue-devils-memphis-grizzlies

If we end up with three picks I think one of them has to be a big — unless the FO is higher on Rob Williams than Stevens seems to be.

Gotta pick BPA, and I think at our positions they are all pgs/wings.

Currently out bigman rotation is Theis/Tatum/GrantW/Kanter/Timelord/Semi. We can assume that a couple of those are going to be moved ( Kanter) or "Disappeared" (Poirier) there is a solid chance that a big comes back in said trade, then there is the MLE to use as well. I can very well see out bigman rotation next season being.

Tatum/Bjelica/GrantW
Theis/Baynes/Timelord

That is a massive improvement already without reaching for a draft pick. Baynes at MLE(or someone like him, although I believe he comes back) then a Kanter, Poirer and Edwards for Bjelica swap (sheds a little salary adds another shooting big)

IMO that is a legit depth rotation up front.

So that leaves the 3 first rounder to improve the bench at the PG and wing spot.

BPAs at 14 are looking far an away to be a PG or a wing, same with 26 and 30.

[31to6]

That’s a lot of “ifs”, 100proof. There’s a lot more shorter basketball players putting up good stats than taller ones because there’s a lot more shorter humans than 6’10” and up ones. But while I’d be happy with Giles etc. Robert Williams is the most interesting tall person we’ve had in our program (other than Tacko:) in ages and we drafted him in the 20s. If we keep all three picks I think there are some guys taking a similar risk on, but we’ll see.

[djFan71]

BPA-wise, definitely draft BPA. But, that doesn't mean just scoring. Height is a skill. Being able to stay on the court defensively in the playoffs is a HUGE skill. So, it's a weird BPA that fits what you're trying to do. BPA to me is in terms of "this guys is gonna be a stud" vs "this guy is a position of need but not as good" - easy, go stud. It gets a lot greyer when you don't think either is gonna be a stud and one fits your system better but may not have quite as high a theoretical ceiling.

[JHTruth]

doesn't patrick williams kind of overlap with grant williams as bostons 4/5 off the bench? Not too familiar with him as i was focused on vassell on fsu

Moving into the 7-12 range is crucial for ainge here. Obviously Okongwu or Wiseman is the dream, but landing hayes ,vassell, or precious would be a serious coup. Theres no doubt in my mind the best players in this draft will be selected in the later half of the lottery this year, so its a huge test to not select another langford.

Patrick Williams supposedly has all-star upside where Grant is a career bench guy. I really like Williams but he's getting top-10 buzz.

If we stay at 14, which I don't think we will, we'll probably be picking Cole Anthony or Maxey.

IMHO, we'll move up to get Ball or Hayes using Hayward, then select a couple 3-D wings later..

[JHTruth]

I gotta bring something up. FVV was undrafted. Pascal was a what, 28 pick? Duncan Robinson, undrafted. Tyler herro, bam, both selected at 14 in their drafts.

Yea, ainge has hit it with top 3 picks. Yes, he could have picked fultz.

An ecf team is running their offense with a #13 (sorry, not 14) draft pick in herro. 1 higher than Langford, a total loser. I know these dudes aren't the same level as tatum brown, and I know I'm dissecting w/ a microscope etc, but come on, for a dude that's drafted like 16 players in the past 4 seasons, ya think the dude would hit something (besides the lottery picks).

Grant Williams made the key defensive stop in the last minute of the Toronto series. He's shooting 60% on FGs over his playoff career, and 62.5% from 3pt range. I realize there are a lot of yesbuts to all that, but the early indications are that Grant has been a successful pick.

And since you're also considering undrafted players -- Daniel Theis was undrafted too.

Yeah I don't think there's any doubt that Grant Williams is going to be a solid rotation player in this league.

Yeah but realistically Grant isn't going to get any better than he is in these playoffs. He's already a smart team defender, that's why he's on the floor in the ECF. He's too short and unathletic to be much better at interior offense or defense. His three is coming around. Grant is a solid player but he's at his ceiling. Romeo and Rob still have significant upside..

[djFan71]

Grant Williams made the key defensive stop in the last minute of the Toronto series. He's shooting 60% on FGs over his playoff career, and 62.5% from 3pt range. I realize there are a lot of yesbuts to all that, but the early indications are that Grant has been a successful pick.

And since you're also considering undrafted players -- Daniel Theis was undrafted too.

Yeah I don't think there's any doubt that Grant Williams is going to be a solid rotation player in this league.

Yeah but realistically Grant isn't going to get any better than he is in these playoffs. He's already a smart team defender, that's why he's on the floor in the ECF. He's too short and unathletic to be much better at interior offense or defense. His three is coming around. Grant is a solid player but he's at his ceiling. Romeo and Rob still have significant upside..

Saying a rookie is at his ceiling is always a little hyperbole. He'll get better. Getting stronger to bang inside will help. He'll know more sets, respond quicker, learn how to do more on offense than hit open corner 3s. Maybe drive a closeout, post-up a guard on switches, become a better passer, etc.

There's room to grow. Figuratively. Not literally, which I agree limits his absolute ceiling. And, in no way, shape or form do you let Grant's presence or absence determine anything about the players you draft this year.

[100proof]

doesn't patrick williams kind of overlap with grant williams as bostons 4/5 off the bench? Not too familiar with him as i was focused on vassell on fsu

Moving into the 7-12 range is crucial for ainge here. Obviously Okongwu or Wiseman is the dream, but landing hayes ,vassell, or precious would be a serious coup. Theres no doubt in my mind the best players in this draft will be selected in the later half of the lottery this year, so its a huge test to not select another langford.

Patrick Williams supposedly has all-star upside where Grant is a career bench guy. I really like Williams but he's getting top-10 buzz.

If we stay at 14, which I don't think we will, we'll probably be picking Cole Anthony or Maxey.

IMHO, we'll move up to get Ball or Hayes using Hayward, then select a couple 3-D wings later..

personally not sold on Ball at all.

[JHTruth]

doesn't patrick williams kind of overlap with grant williams as bostons 4/5 off the bench? Not too familiar with him as i was focused on vassell on fsu

Moving into the 7-12 range is crucial for ainge here. Obviously Okongwu or Wiseman is the dream, but landing hayes ,vassell, or precious would be a serious coup. Theres no doubt in my mind the best players in this draft will be selected in the later half of the lottery this year, so its a huge test to not select another langford.

Patrick Williams supposedly has all-star upside where Grant is a career bench guy. I really like Williams but he's getting top-10 buzz.

If we stay at 14, which I don't think we will, we'll probably be picking Cole Anthony or Maxey.

IMHO, we'll move up to get Ball or Hayes using Hayward, then select a couple 3-D wings later..

personally not sold on Ball at all.

Very divisive prospect for sure. But there is no denying the talent. If you draft him, you're betting on his shot improving (82% FT rate), and his D continuing to grow. Like almost all prospects it will depend on the situation..

[djFan71]

Other bigs to consider if we’re picking at 26/30 (based on current mocks and my very limited knowledge):

Oturo — 6’10” 240 with 7’2” wingspan. In the spring he was a late lottery pick in mocks. Lots of blocks and shot 37% from 3 on good volume, but lacks foot speed and passing ability. https://nbadraftroom.com/p/daniel-oturu/ Guess I’m not as interested as I am in the next guy.

Nnaji — looks decent? 6’11” 230, 7’1” wingspan, mobile with a workable jump shot and some wiry strength. This says he’s more 4 than 5 because of lack of rim protection, but I’d love to hear more about him from anyone who knows: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.azcentral.com/amp/5633424002

Carey — 6’10” 265 with 7’0” wingspan. I know there’ve already been plenty of posts about him, not trying to trigger another round of that, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we take him and DA says he was at the top of our FO’s draft board. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.grizzlybearblues.com/platform/amp/2020/6/3/21277177/2020-nba-draft-profiles-vernon-carey-jr-duke-blue-devils-memphis-grizzlies

If we end up with three picks I think one of them has to be a big — unless the FO is higher on Rob Williams than Stevens seems to be.

I wouldn't mind an Oturo/Carey/Azubuike type at 47. Just as a cheap banger off the bench. But, I don't know that I like any of them as my real center. Okongwu, Reed, maybe Tillman types are where I'd go. Higher ceiling Theises / mini-Bams that you can keep on the court in the playoffs are what I'm looking for. Then, sure if we need someone to get abused by Embiid every now and then, one of the classic bigs.

Stewart/Nnaji, I don't know what I think, honestly. I could take a shot with 30, if Bey/Bolmaro/other guys are off the board.

[Cuban Pete]

26: jahmius Ramsay: 6foot4. Long arms6-10
Strong defender, excellent 3pt shooter. Super competitive. Can play pg-sf. Marcus smart, not as good on defense, superior shooter.

A "superior shooter" that shoots 64% from the FTL?

Justice Winslow had a great college 3pt% and had a 64% FT%.

Quit with this.

Same age, Paul Pierce shot 61%, Steve Kerr shot 69%, Jason Richardson shot 55%, Jason Kapono shot 68%, Robert Horry shot 64%, Reggie Miller shot 64%. Joe Harris shot 64% as a senior.

The list probably goes on a long while, but I am lazy.

Reggie Miller shot 18/28 in 384 PM. Small sample noise. He shot better than 80% in his next 3 seasons.

Paul Pierce was drafted in the late 1990s well before the 3pt revolution.

Jason Richardson was never a great player in the NBA and played on a lot of mediocre teams.

Jason Kapono had a career 6.7 ppg in the NBA.

When it comes to wing shooting, I use 3pt shooting as my judge. All great NBA 3pt shooters have two things in common - great FT% and great volume (10+ 3ptA/100pos).

The 3pt shot is to the NBA what the passing game is to the NFL.

Yes, maybe your right. Ramsey's poor FT shooting was an outlier. That said, there are two ways a GM can approach a draft.

1.) using an algorithm based on a solid sample of relevant stats
2.) play a hunch

Danny clearly played hunches in drafting Jaylen Brown (over Jamal Murray who I wanted), James Young, Abdel Nader (I wanted Fred Van Vleet), and Romeo Langford.

To each his own.