NBA Trade Thread #2

[drosereturn]

Sorry wonderboy but I think Sato stays. $5m guaranteed for 21/22. Low trade value. Prime age. Pretty solid defense and spot-up shooter, capable of a better season. Can basically play 3 positions, and won't make a fuss coming off the bench or even being DNP'd until injuries hit.

If DET wants to dump Griffin on us, I'll consider this, but it kinda depends on what's done with the draft picks (4 & 7 presents a lot of options):

LaVine, Felicio for Griffin, Rose, Kennard, #7

I need at least 2 unprotected (or close it, say top 3 protected) picks to take on Blake Griffin and I certainly wouldn't give them anything with value back (so definitely no LaVine). That's how bad his contract is IMO. Of course, the Pistons would never do this because they simply have no reason to dump Griffin. They suck and need talent more than any other team in the league (their best young piece is...Doumbouya?) and they won't sign a meaningful free agent anyway, so why give up assets to dump Blake? I think they did a good job moving on from Drummond knowing that he would opt in, but they didn't have to give up anything to dump him.

In short, I don't see the point for either team.

Why? Your already getting rewarded with Rose, Kennard and 7 while dumping Felicio. Asking 3 unprotected picks for Griffin is nonsense when he is a legit all star.

[Andi Obst]

Why? Your already getting rewarded with Rose, Kennard and 7 while dumping Felicio. Asking 3 unprotected picks for Griffin is nonsense when he is a legit all star.

1. I said 2 picks, not 3 (and I also said that Detroit isn't doing that).

2. Rose isn't a "reward", it's 2020. He's okay, that's it. He has no future value for either the Pistons or the Bulls.

3. Kennard is entering the final year of his rookie contract. If you trade for him, you better be ready to pay him. I'm definitely not.

4. Dumping Felcio is worthless. For what are we doing that?

5. Griffin is one of the biggest injury risks out there, is clearly on the downside of his career and is absolutely not a "star" anymore. He's also on a supermax contract, which makes him a huge negative asset. If you want to dump that, be ready to pay on top.

[ChettheJet]

Chicago Receives:
Tobias Harris, Lonzo Ball, Maxi Kleber, #18, & #21

Philadelphia Receives:
OPJ, Sato, & #44

New Orleans Receives:
Lauri Markkanen

Dallas Receives:
Thaddeus Young, Matisse Thybulle, Chandler Hutchison, & #34

Bulls draft:
4 - Deni Avijda
18 - Aleksej Pokusevski
21 - Jaden McDaniels

Lonzo Ball / Coby White / Ryan Arcidiacano
Zach LaVine / Coby White / Adam Mokoko
Tobias Harris / Deni Avijda / Jaden McDaniels
Maxi Kleber / Tobias Harris / Aleksej Pokusevski
Wendell Carter Jr. / Daniel Gafford / Cristiano Felicio

As much as dislike Harris' contract, I'm willing to start with that and change a little, think long term and maybe like it a little.

Rather than getting #18 and #21 I would much rather have a 2021 and a 2022 FRP, as high as one looks a year or two ahead of time. We're undertaking a very large roster and rotation change, I would rather just take 2 rookie draft picks and go into the next 2 drafts with two 1sts. Use them both, trade them to move up, use one to move a contract, way more options than having the #18 and #21 in a weak draft come in for third string at their positions. Giving up 5 players, adding 3 plus 2 draft picks keeps the roster from being overloaded with under contract players at the end of the bench to release


Coby White / Lonzo Ball / Ryan Arcidiacano
Zach LaVine / Coby White / Adam Mokoko
Tobias Harris / Deni Avijda / vet FA
Maxi Kleber / Tobias Harris / Luke Kornet / #34
Wendell Carter Jr. / Daniel Gafford / Luke Kornet / Cristiano Felicio


and still the 2 exemptions to add, could get something in return for Harrison, Valentine and Dunn, why get 2 more rookies who need playing time to develop and have them sitting behind those veterans?

I like it more if it's spread out. If they keep their ears open and if someone wants to trade for Harris, pull the trigger and don't worry about equal value. There's not much FA money for 2021 just Felicio and Kornet, look at the third tier of guys, When Lavine comes up as an UFA in 2022 either have a replacement ready to step in or figure out how to retain him.

[wonderboy2]

It’s 2020 and Drose is still 10 times better than Sato.

[Hoop Student]

Last off season i floated an idea with my friend that the Bulls shold trade Lavine for Brandon Ingram, or get involved in the 3 way trade that sent Ingram to New Orleans, such as sending Zach to New Orleans and Ingram here.

1 year later think this trade is as close as it gets in terms of value. Who would you guys rather have on this team and who do you think is better? I'd go Ingram for both.

[BullsFTW]

Last off season i floated an idea with my friend that the Bulls shold trade Lavine for Brandon Ingram, or get involved in the 3 way trade that sent Ingram to New Orleans, such as sending Zach to New Orleans and Ingram here.

1 year later think this trade is as close as it gets in terms of value. Who would you guys rather have on this team and who do you think is better? I'd go Ingram for both.

I would do a S&T for Ingram, but NOP won’t do it.

[sco]

Last off season i floated an idea with my friend that the Bulls shold trade Lavine for Brandon Ingram, or get involved in the 3 way trade that sent Ingram to New Orleans, such as sending Zach to New Orleans and Ingram here.

1 year later think this trade is as close as it gets in terms of value. Who would you guys rather have on this team and who do you think is better? I'd go Ingram for both.

I would do a S&T for Ingram, but NOP won’t do it.

I'd do Zach plus #4, but still think they wouldn't.

[gobullschi]

Last off season i floated an idea with my friend that the Bulls shold trade Lavine for Brandon Ingram, or get involved in the 3 way trade that sent Ingram to New Orleans, such as sending Zach to New Orleans and Ingram here.

1 year later think this trade is as close as it gets in terms of value. Who would you guys rather have on this team and who do you think is better? I'd go Ingram for both.

Doesn’t Ingram have a serious health issue? I think their values are pretty equal, but don’t think either team would do this deal.

[d boy gentleman]

I wouldnt trade for Paul George unless it was for our scraps. He can be an upgrade in the regular season but in the playoffs he has been horrible 3 straight playoffs.

It we were to trade Otto for Paul George than its nothing to complain about.

What about Otto + 1st RDP? George is a player I've really stopped liking but he is still a good player you want to use your Capspace for.

Otto, yes; Otto and a 1st rounder, HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLL NO!!!

[MrSparkle]

Last off season i floated an idea with my friend that the Bulls shold trade Lavine for Brandon Ingram, or get involved in the 3 way trade that sent Ingram to New Orleans, such as sending Zach to New Orleans and Ingram here.

1 year later think this trade is as close as it gets in terms of value. Who would you guys rather have on this team and who do you think is better? I'd go Ingram for both.

Doesn’t Ingram have a serious health issue? I think their values are pretty equal, but don’t think either team would do this deal.

I think they’d take Zach all day and not look back. Zach, Jrue and Zion would compliment each other really well.

I don’t put Ingram above Zach, though he does have more potential.

[kodo]

That would be an interesting swap. But I have doubts about how Ingram would perform in Chicago going from two PGs in Lonzo & Jrue to Sato & Dunn. Lavine got put into a crappy situation in Chicago, he had to shoot 3s only 55% assisted. Ingram shoots 3s 89% assisted from his guards.

In a league where 3s determine games, we would be shooting far fewer 3s with Lavine gone. He has significantly higher volume over Ingram and creates a greater volume for himself, accuracy is basically a wash.

Ingram is 2 years younger though.

[HomoSapien]

I've never been more uncertain about a draft.

Wonder if either side would consider 4 for Bagley. He's been a disappointment, but was the second pick in a deep draft and looked promising during his first season despite never being handed the keys. I think he could bust out with a change of scenery. I feel the same way about Bamba, but am worried about his slow recovery from Covid.

[Jeffster81]

I've never been more uncertain about a draft.

Wonder if either side would consider 4 for Bagley. He's been a disappointment, but was the second pick in a deep draft and looked promising during his first season despite never being handed the keys. I think he could bust out with a change of scenery. I feel the same way about Bamba, but am worried about his slow recovery from Covid.

I would be ok with #4 for Bagley.

[TheSuzerain]

Hell no on #4 for Bagley. Are you guys nuts?

[jordanwilliams6]

I've never been more uncertain about a draft.

Wonder if either side would consider 4 for Bagley. He's been a disappointment, but was the second pick in a deep draft and looked promising during his first season despite never being handed the keys. I think he could bust out with a change of scenery. I feel the same way about Bamba, but am worried about his slow recovery from Covid.

I would do that deal easily. People forget he put up 15/8 on 50% FG, 32% 3PT in his first year, which is a great platform to build. I'm not even looking at his second year, he played 13 games and battled injuries.

He went number 2 in a potentially historic draft. I still think he has a Chris Bosh style ceiling, and has the athletic tools to become a plus defender. It would be a gamble, but no one in this draft has the ceiling he does.

[HomoSapien]

I've never been more uncertain about a draft.

Wonder if either side would consider 4 for Bagley. He's been a disappointment, but was the second pick in a deep draft and looked promising during his first season despite never being handed the keys. I think he could bust out with a change of scenery. I feel the same way about Bamba, but am worried about his slow recovery from Covid.

I would do that deal easily. People forget he put up 15/8 on 50% FG, 32% 3PT in his first year, which is a great platform to build. I'm not even looking at his second year, he played 13 games and battled injuries.

He went number 2 in a potentially historic draft. I still think he has a Chris Bosh style ceiling, and has the athletic tools to become a plus defender. It would be a gamble, but no one in this draft has the ceiling he does.

I feel similarly. I know everyone looks good in a highlight reel, but I'm not sure if anyone in this draft at 4 has this type of ability.

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[PlayerUp]

I've never been more uncertain about a draft.

Wonder if either side would consider 4 for Bagley. He's been a disappointment, but was the second pick in a deep draft and looked promising during his first season despite never being handed the keys. I think he could bust out with a change of scenery. I feel the same way about Bamba, but am worried about his slow recovery from Covid.

Id rather gamble on a wing or guard than add another bigman. That said, someone did propose this:

Chicago trades: 4 pick, OPJ
Sacramento trades: 12 pick, Bagley, Barnes

[ThreeMileAllan]

I've never been more uncertain about a draft.

Wonder if either side would consider 4 for Bagley. He's been a disappointment, but was the second pick in a deep draft and looked promising during his first season despite never being handed the keys. I think he could bust out with a change of scenery. I feel the same way about Bamba, but am worried about his slow recovery from Covid.

Id rather gamble on a wing or guard than add another bigman. That said, someone did propose this:

Chicago trades: 4 pick, OPJ
Sacramento trades: 12 pick, Bagley, Barnes

I wonder how WCJ would feel about Bagley being on the team

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[HomoSapien]

I've never been more uncertain about a draft.

Wonder if either side would consider 4 for Bagley. He's been a disappointment, but was the second pick in a deep draft and looked promising during his first season despite never being handed the keys. I think he could bust out with a change of scenery. I feel the same way about Bamba, but am worried about his slow recovery from Covid.

Id rather gamble on a wing or guard than add another bigman. That said, someone did propose this:

Chicago trades: 4 pick, OPJ
Sacramento trades: 12 pick, Bagley, Barnes

I wonder how WCJ would feel about Bagley being on the team

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He’d hate it, but Bagley is a better prospect and we can trade WCJ.

[drosereturn]

I've never been more uncertain about a draft.

Wonder if either side would consider 4 for Bagley. He's been a disappointment, but was the second pick in a deep draft and looked promising during his first season despite never being handed the keys. I think he could bust out with a change of scenery. I feel the same way about Bamba, but am worried about his slow recovery from Covid.

I would be ok with #4 for Bagley.

The only trade that is worth considering is #4 for Bagley and #12. Rather have a defensive monster in Bamba than Bagley.