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Post#461 » by machu46 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:51 pm

LuessiT wrote:I'd do 3 & 4 in a heartbeat.


I'd do the CP3 one in a heartbeat. I'd probably do the Bjelica one depending on which 2nd round pick is included. If it's #35, definite yes. #43 probably still a yes but a bit more painful. #52...I don't know. Might still be a yes but giving up the 1st hurts pretty bad in that scenario for me.

The Middleton-Jrue one is horrendous and the Lou one is somewhat believable but I'd strongly prefer not to do it.
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Post#462 » by Fotis St » Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:59 pm

I am sorry , I haven't watched the Spurs ... but this is the first time I see Point Guard DeRozan ...
I think Popovich may have improved him ... I need to see more
He averaged 5.6 assists per game this season same as Giannis ... :o With less Turnovers 2.4 vs Giannis 3.7
18-19 Season he averaged 6.2 assists per game ... hmm are we sleeping on this fella ?
And he goes to the line alot 6.6 FTA making 5.6 , 84.5 FT% vs Giannis making 6.3 Fts on 10 FTA 63.3 FT% ...

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Post#463 » by soxperry » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:01 pm

Here is what i think most contributed to our post season struggles against Toronto and Miami:

1. Inability to get quality shots against tough playoff defense.
2. Bad free throw shooting
3. Allowing offensive rebounds and surrending turnovers in crunch time. The other team just seemed to want it more while we looked tentative when it mattered most.

It seems reasonable that 2 and 3 can be improved upon with experience, however, i dont know how we just run it back and expect number 1 to change. We dont have the personnel right now. And i think if we trade Bledsoe to get someone who can fix that we will be causing irreparable damage to our defense. Any time hes not on the court we cant guard elite, slashing guards.

I would love to be wrong but it appears we have hit a ceiling unless Giannis just completely reinvents himself.
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Post#464 » by SupremeHustle » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:16 pm

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Fotis St wrote:Thon's mobility did bother Ibaka and Lowry at the Series against Toronto. He is still in the NBA and with the way Modern NBA is parting away from slow foot 7fts that can't defend the P&R, he probably stays in the league for years.

Anyway I could not predict that a human being can't gain weight while eating 7 meals a day .... I didn't predict he probably **** "flushes his toilet" 20 times per day and can't gain a single pound ..

The weight was definitely an issue but I think the much larger issue was that he sucked at basketball.


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Post#465 » by ShootingtheJ » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:44 pm

blazza18 wrote:^^ Only the Paul trade makes sense in terms of moving the needle come playoff time.


Any trade that has someone other than Bledsoe playing PG at playoff time moves the needle.
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Post#466 » by BroncoBuck » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:00 pm

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blazza18 wrote:^^ Only the Paul trade makes sense in terms of moving the needle come playoff time.


Any trade that has someone other than Bledsoe playing PG at playoff time moves the needle.



I’ve finally dabbled with the trade machine and this is what I’m sticking with

Eric Bledsoe to NYK
Elfrid Payton to SA
Patty Mills to MKE
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Post#467 » by Chuck Diesel » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:13 pm

Wonder if the Kings would be open to Fournier and a future year's 1st for Bogdan. Bledsoe to Orlando.
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Post#468 » by giannis and 1 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:21 pm

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giannis and 1 wrote:What do you guys think about a back court of:
CP3/Hill/Tyrell Terry
Matthews/DDV

Hill seems redundant. Could we get a draft pick or something for him? If we trade him for another player, a wing like Morris or Gay makes the most sense.

Brook/Gasol
Giannis/X
Middleton/X/Thanasis
Matthews/DDV
CP3/Terry


Did we get Marc Gasol somehow? Or is that Canadian confusion (a really friendly Pokemon attack?!?)


I think he means Pau

Isn't Marc Gasol a free agent?
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Post#469 » by KhrisMissaton » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:53 pm

First time caller, long time listener. What is board consensus here on what should be done when/if Giannis turns down supermax this year? I feel like everyone I've seen thinks we should ride it out and try to win it this year. To me that's crazy. If he doesn't want to sign now, our chances of getting over the hump with what will more than likely be fairly minor changes (given our lack of ammo to bring in a second star) and convincing him to stay are not great IMO. I think if he doesn't sign now, it'd be irresponsible to not see if there's some team willing to give us a PG like package (or really, should be better than that) for him.

Like what if Boston falls short and was willing to give us something centered around Tatum?
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Post#470 » by DingleJerry » Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:00 am

KhrisMissaton wrote:First time caller, long time listener. What is board consensus here on what should be done when/if Giannis turns down supermax this year? I feel like everyone I've seen thinks we should ride it out and try to win it this year. To me that's crazy. If he doesn't want to sign now, our chances of getting over the hump with what will more than likely be fairly minor changes (given our lack of ammo to bring in a second star) and convincing him to stay are not great IMO. I think if he doesn't sign now, it'd be irresponsible to not see if there's some team willing to give us a PG like package (or really, should be better than that) for him.

Like what if Boston falls short and was willing to give us something centered around Tatum?


I'm on the go all in for the one year and go for it camp. But of course you should listen if/when people call.

Boston would be one of those teams that could put together a big legit offer. Buuuuut, you're probably just gonna lose Tatum/Brown 2-3 years later anyway if they're legit good.
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Post#472 » by midranger » Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:10 am

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Ron Swanson wrote:I have no idea how anyone can hold up that 2015 Hawks team as any sort of slight on Bud's resume. That roster had zero business winning anything more than 45-games, much less 60 and a round away from the NBA Finals.


That's key to mid's point, though: the idea that a "45 win team" winning 60 games is meaningless come playoff time. My argument is that 45 win teams don't typically make the conference finals. The regular season is different from the postseason but if it was the night and day difference I've heard on this board and from like Bob Myers, our playoff disappointments would be even more profound. That Atlanta team literally beat a 46 win team in the 2nd round.

Fact is we were not playing our best ball at the end of the *regular season* either year (this year in particular), and we fell short of expectations (this year in particular). Last year I remember looking at all the month by month metrics and while we were dominant much of the year, in the last couple months we were just ordinary Very Good. Like, arguably but not clearly the best team. Meanwhile Toronto was whipping asses post Gasol trade. It carries over.

I’m not sure I really have a point other than in the playoffs you better have a Plan B because your Plan A is going away.

Giannis’s Plan B is to shoot a (VERY low percentage) three or pass to a mediocre three point shooter to shoot a three When his butt is clenched a little tighter because: Playoffs!. Bud’s Plan B is to let him. Same thing As last year. Same thing we heard about those Hawks teams.

Here we are. Here is Bud.

After rambling, I guess my point is....We have both too many players AND a coach without a Plan B to win in the playoffs as currently constructed. And honestly, I kind of never really thought we were a serious threat this year after watching us do the same crap that lost us 4 straight vs Toronto last year. Point differential and all that be damned.

Maybe just confirmation bias from being emotionally destroyed by this team for 3 decades.
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Post#473 » by ShootingtheJ » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:04 am

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ShootingtheJ wrote:
blazza18 wrote:^^ Only the Paul trade makes sense in terms of moving the needle come playoff time.


Any trade that has someone other than Bledsoe playing PG at playoff time moves the needle.



I’ve finally dabbled with the trade machine and this is what I’m sticking with

Eric Bledsoe to NYK
Elfrid Payton to SA
Patty Mills to MKE


We'll do much better than that. Knicks are going to cut Payton anyway, he's not guaranteed, like most of their roster.
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Post#474 » by ShootingtheJ » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:16 am

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LuessiT wrote:I'd do 3 & 4 in a heartbeat.


I'd do the CP3 one in a heartbeat. I'd probably do the Bjelica one depending on which 2nd round pick is included. If it's #35, definite yes. #43 probably still a yes but a bit more painful. #52...I don't know. Might still be a yes but giving up the 1st hurts pretty bad in that scenario for me.

The Middleton-Jrue one is horrendous and the Lou one is somewhat believable but I'd strongly prefer not to do it.


Agreed, the Middleton deal is awful. Jrue is a great player, but just isn't a good fit here, and it's almost impossible to replace SFs.
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Post#475 » by emunney » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:28 am

I wonder if we consolidated our roster down to 8 good players with a playoff rotation in mind if Bud would just continue to play 11 guys and drive us all nuts. 18 minutes a game for Devon Hall coming atcha
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Post#476 » by DrWood » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:58 am

Fotis St wrote:I am sorry , I haven't watched the Spurs ... but this is the first time I see Point Guard DeRozan ...
I think Popovich may have improved him ... I need to see more
He averaged 5.6 assists per game this season same as Giannis ... :o With less Turnovers 2.4 vs Giannis 3.7
18-19 Season he averaged 6.2 assists per game ... hmm are we sleeping on this fella ?
And he goes to the line alot 6.6 FTA making 5.6 , 84.5 FT% vs Giannis making 6.3 Fts on 10 FTA 63.3 FT% ...


Unless we get a different coach and a different system, Derozan is a bad fit. Like if Khris couldn't shoot 3's and was worse at defense.
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Post#477 » by BroncoBuck » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:10 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
BroncoBuck wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Any trade that has someone other than Bledsoe playing PG at playoff time moves the needle.



I’ve finally dabbled with the trade machine and this is what I’m sticking with

Eric Bledsoe to NYK
Elfrid Payton to SA
Patty Mills to MKE


We'll do much better than that. Knicks are going to cut Payton anyway, he's not guaranteed, like most of their roster.


Mills is a good player on an expiring deal. I’m not sure we get much better than that.
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Post#478 » by drone3 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:12 am

All in on CP3, he's not just the best PG for Giannis he's another coach that can compensate for Buds playoff dumbness.
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Post#479 » by drone3 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:56 am

It's going to be Schroeder...

Found this from a few years back

“They already traded one future first-round pick for Bledsoe. The Bucks and Hawks discussed a similar deal for Dennis Schroeder before Bledsoe became available, according to several league sources.”
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Post#480 » by Fotis St » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:14 am

drone3 wrote:It's going to be Schroeder...

Found this from a few years back

“They already traded one future first-round pick for Bledsoe. The Bucks and Hawks discussed a similar deal for Dennis Schroeder before Bledsoe became available, according to several league sources.”


Fire Bud , he is not what we think he is ... and Korver warned us.

Anyway, I don't trust this Schroeder 1 year 3p% fluke and the most important thing is that I don't like his playmaking skills, I would rather have Rubio over him, he has the same 3P% fluke. Rubio's playmaking is similar to Dragic (maybe even better) Rubio has higher BBIQ than Schoeder... With all that said I would rather get Spurs backcourt duo DeRozan and Derrick White

Bledsoe,Hill, Donte, #24 , another 1st Lot Prot.

White,DeRozan, Khris,Giannis, Brook

I think we win the East with this 5 , tons better than Bledsoe,Wes backcourt
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