2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

[Warriors Analyst]

You do not have evidence to support this outlandish claim. You do not know that stop putting this out there. Deni and Draymond will not do jack against AD. Deni will be subbed out after 1 play where Lebron and AD force a mismatch onto him

I didn't say anything about Deni. Draymond has historically done pretty good against AD. Davis gets his points against Draymond, but he has to work for them and he's never all that efficient against Draymond.

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It's far easier to predict Draymond holding his own against Davis, given that we have historical precedent for it, than it is for you to assume that a rookie C who played one meaningful game in college is our answer against Anthony Davis.

I didn't say anything about Wiseman either. If you want to play this game. What made you think I was talking about Wiseman?

The first post of yours I replied to was you replying to ILOVEIT expressing his skepticism that Wiseman would hold his own against Davis, to which you replied that we need size and doubted that Draymond is up to the task. It's pretty clear you were defending Wiseman in that post. Don't know why you think you got one over me in "this game."

[Mylie10]

Anybody who doesn’t think Wiseman’s length will be helpful is just blatantly ignorant. You can want other guys or question what Wiseman may become, but a legit 7’1” athlete with 7’5” wingspan is going to help all over the floor as well as battling the length of Davis and the Lakers.

Come on people

[ShayDee]

I didn't say anything about Deni. Draymond has historically done pretty good against AD. Davis gets his points against Draymond, but he has to work for them and he's never all that efficient against Draymond.

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It's far easier to predict Draymond holding his own against Davis, given that we have historical precedent for it, than it is for you to assume that a rookie C who played one meaningful game in college is our answer against Anthony Davis.

I didn't say anything about Wiseman either. If you want to play this game. What made you think I was talking about Wiseman?

The first post of yours I replied to was you replying to ILOVEIT expressing his skepticism that Wiseman would hold his own against Davis, to which you replied that we need size and doubted that Draymond is up to the task. It's pretty clear you were defending Wiseman in that post. Don't know why you think you got one over me in "this game."

Bro no. I don't want to claim this but I am not sure you even read up to half of what I posted. I see anytime I post all you see is my saying something about Wiseman and your dissent against the kid just lashes out every time.

The main summary of my post is refuting the general opinion that Draymond is going to save us against any top PF or C in todays game. Draymond is 6'5" and has had many little nagging injuries in the past. His body is breaking down. We need someone else on this team to handle bigger players. Draymond is not going to save us anymore. He will do some to slow down players. But He cannot play major minutes against those players anymore. They will score above him anyways

People should stop posting the past of whoever Draymond defended. That was 2 years+ ago. Good players become better. Teams change. So many factors were in play when Draymond was in his prime defending whoever. Those factors are all gone. Draymond is older. Those players he defended got better at offense. Defense diminishes when players get older, especially into their 30s. AD will destroy Draymond and who ever is currently on this team, and he has Lebron with him as well. Same as Jokic, Towns, Gobert?, Embiid, Giannis, Brook Lopez, Ibaka, Baynes, KD or any of the bigger and better offensively players in this league

The past doesn't mean anything. The players will still score. How many defenders have denver put on AD and Lebron? Doesn't mean jack, they are still averaging whatever they want to average. Draymond is not magically going to do anything against them all 48 mins. We need help

[northoakland510]

Anybody who doesn’t think Wiseman’s length will be helpful is just blatantly ignorant. You can want other guys or question what Wiseman may become, but a legit 7’1” athlete with 7’5” wingspan is going to help all over the floor as well as battling the length of Davis and the Lakers.

Come on people

I don't see how anyone can watch these western conference finals and not see Wiseman is the pick. The team needs the size and length Wiseman provides.

[whatisacenter]

long interesting interview with Deni and Omri. Some talk about Omri's time in GS was interesting and some insight into Deni.

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[wco81]

Wiseman has the physical tools to defend but will he ever gain enough skill? Nobody knows at this point.

Yeah Caspi is another cautionary tale about some of these international wings. Caspi could shoot the lights out but couldn't develop his game further than that, didn't live up to a first round pick.

[Little Digger]

Anybody who doesn’t think Wiseman’s length will be helpful is just blatantly ignorant. You can want other guys or question what Wiseman may become, but a legit 7’1” athlete with 7’5” wingspan is going to help all over the floor as well as battling the length of Davis and the Lakers.

Come on people

cant argue with anything you said there


Damn it

[Little Digger]

Why didn’t Wiseman go play overseas? I just don’t get it..why would you not want to improve your game? Instead you sit an entire year out and just have workouts?
I’m knocking him down my board again..Edwards and Wiseman don’t seem to like to play the game

[Onus]

long interesting interview with Deni and Omri. Some talk about Omri's time in GS was interesting and some insight into Deni.

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This was very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Demarcus ruining Stauskas really does go to show how fragile a persons career is. It almost happened to Ben mclemore as well.

On to Deni, he wants to be a no 1 option but is willing to work his way to get there. Never handed the keys to a team and just grinded his way to become the mvp of that team. Taking on any role his coach asked to become mvp is pretty remarkable. He’ll succeed anywhere.

[Coxy]

Anybody who doesn’t think Wiseman’s length will be helpful is just blatantly ignorant. You can want other guys or question what Wiseman may become, but a legit 7’1” athlete with 7’5” wingspan is going to help all over the floor as well as battling the length of Davis and the Lakers.

Come on people

So true. It's like me saying that Lamello Ball's court vision wouldn't help us, when clearly it would. I don't want Ball, but I'm not ignorent to what his strengths look to be.

[northoakland510]

Why didn’t Wiseman go play overseas? I just don’t get it..why would you not want to improve your game? Instead you sit an entire year out and just have workouts?
I’m knocking him down my board again..Edwards and Wiseman don’t like to play the game

Maybe he didn't want to risk getting injured knowing he was a lottery pick.

[Warriors Analyst]

I didn't say anything about Wiseman either. If you want to play this game. What made you think I was talking about Wiseman?

The first post of yours I replied to was you replying to ILOVEIT expressing his skepticism that Wiseman would hold his own against Davis, to which you replied that we need size and doubted that Draymond is up to the task. It's pretty clear you were defending Wiseman in that post. Don't know why you think you got one over me in "this game."

Bro no. I don't want to claim this but I am not sure you even read up to half of what I posted. I see anytime I post all you see is my saying something about Wiseman and your dissent against the kid just lashes out every time.

The main summary of my post is refuting the general opinion that Draymond is going to save us against any top PF or C in todays game. Draymond is 6'5" and has had many little nagging injuries in the past. His body is breaking down. We need someone else on this team to handle bigger players. Draymond is not going to save us anymore. He will do some to slow down players. But He cannot play major minutes against those players anymore. They will score above him anyways

People should stop posting the past of whoever Draymond defended. That was 2 years+ ago. Good players become better. Teams change. So many factors were in play when Draymond was in his prime defending whoever. Those factors are all gone. Draymond is older. Those players he defended got better at offense. Defense diminishes when players get older, especially into their 30s. AD will destroy Draymond and who ever is currently on this team, and he has Lebron with him as well. Same as Jokic, Towns, Gobert?, Embiid, Giannis, Brook Lopez, Ibaka, Baynes, KD or any of the bigger and better offensively players in this league

The past doesn't mean anything. The players will still score. How many defenders have denver put on AD and Lebron? Doesn't mean jack, they are still averaging whatever they want to average. Draymond is not magically going to do anything against them all 48 mins. We need help

Denver is having its success with Paul Millsap and Jerami Grant doing the bulk of their defensive work against AD/Lebron. Draymond is getting older, yes. I agree we need more competent frontline defenders, bigger, more mobile guys especially. But as nice as Wiseman's measurements are, it's just not realistic to expect that he'll be anything but a net negative against a veteran Lakers frontline. Can anyone name a single rookie C that came into the league and played playoff level defense in the past 20 years? Why are people thinking Wiseman will be able to make a difference as a rookie for a contending team?

[northoakland510]

The first post of yours I replied to was you replying to ILOVEIT expressing his skepticism that Wiseman would hold his own against Davis, to which you replied that we need size and doubted that Draymond is up to the task. It's pretty clear you were defending Wiseman in that post. Don't know why you think you got one over me in "this game."

Bro no. I don't want to claim this but I am not sure you even read up to half of what I posted. I see anytime I post all you see is my saying something about Wiseman and your dissent against the kid just lashes out every time.

The main summary of my post is refuting the general opinion that Draymond is going to save us against any top PF or C in todays game. Draymond is 6'5" and has had many little nagging injuries in the past. His body is breaking down. We need someone else on this team to handle bigger players. Draymond is not going to save us anymore. He will do some to slow down players. But He cannot play major minutes against those players anymore. They will score above him anyways

People should stop posting the past of whoever Draymond defended. That was 2 years+ ago. Good players become better. Teams change. So many factors were in play when Draymond was in his prime defending whoever. Those factors are all gone. Draymond is older. Those players he defended got better at offense. Defense diminishes when players get older, especially into their 30s. AD will destroy Draymond and who ever is currently on this team, and he has Lebron with him as well. Same as Jokic, Towns, Gobert?, Embiid, Giannis, Brook Lopez, Ibaka, Baynes, KD or any of the bigger and better offensively players in this league

The past doesn't mean anything. The players will still score. How many defenders have denver put on AD and Lebron? Doesn't mean jack, they are still averaging whatever they want to average. Draymond is not magically going to do anything against them all 48 mins. We need help

Denver is having its success with Paul Millsap and Jerami Grant doing the bulk of their defensive work against AD/Lebron. Draymond is getting older, yes. I agree we need more competent frontline defenders, bigger, more mobile guys especially. But as nice as Wiseman's measurements are, it's just not realistic to expect that he'll be anything but a net negative against a veteran Lakers frontline. Can anyone name a single rookie C that came into the league and played playoff level defense in the past 20 years? Why are people thinking Wiseman will be able to make a difference as a rookie for a contending team?

Why does anyone think Edwards and Deni can make a difference for a contending team. They both have their flaws also, but some reason people act is if Wiseman can't improve and they can.

[whatisacenter]

Sounds like the draft combine and interviews will begin next week. I think there are a few players at the top of this draft that will have a lot revealed during this process, namely Ball, Deni and Wiseman. Ball and Deni have more film but it is from overseas and we all know Wiseman only played 3 college games. https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259665/NBA-To-Conduct-Draft-Combine-From-Sept-28-Through-Mid-November

[Warriors Analyst]

Bro no. I don't want to claim this but I am not sure you even read up to half of what I posted. I see anytime I post all you see is my saying something about Wiseman and your dissent against the kid just lashes out every time.

The main summary of my post is refuting the general opinion that Draymond is going to save us against any top PF or C in todays game. Draymond is 6'5" and has had many little nagging injuries in the past. His body is breaking down. We need someone else on this team to handle bigger players. Draymond is not going to save us anymore. He will do some to slow down players. But He cannot play major minutes against those players anymore. They will score above him anyways

People should stop posting the past of whoever Draymond defended. That was 2 years+ ago. Good players become better. Teams change. So many factors were in play when Draymond was in his prime defending whoever. Those factors are all gone. Draymond is older. Those players he defended got better at offense. Defense diminishes when players get older, especially into their 30s. AD will destroy Draymond and who ever is currently on this team, and he has Lebron with him as well. Same as Jokic, Towns, Gobert?, Embiid, Giannis, Brook Lopez, Ibaka, Baynes, KD or any of the bigger and better offensively players in this league

The past doesn't mean anything. The players will still score. How many defenders have denver put on AD and Lebron? Doesn't mean jack, they are still averaging whatever they want to average. Draymond is not magically going to do anything against them all 48 mins. We need help

Denver is having its success with Paul Millsap and Jerami Grant doing the bulk of their defensive work against AD/Lebron. Draymond is getting older, yes. I agree we need more competent frontline defenders, bigger, more mobile guys especially. But as nice as Wiseman's measurements are, it's just not realistic to expect that he'll be anything but a net negative against a veteran Lakers frontline. Can anyone name a single rookie C that came into the league and played playoff level defense in the past 20 years? Why are people thinking Wiseman will be able to make a difference as a rookie for a contending team?

Why does anyone think Edwards and Deni can make a difference for a contending team. They both have their flaws also, but some reason people act is if Wiseman can't improve and they can.

It's more likely that Edwards or Deni or one of the wings can give us useful minutes off the bench than it is that Wiseman can hold his own against veteran front lines. Bigs can be found cheap in this league. Wings cannot.

[whatisacenter]

I wouldn't mind trading down in the top 8 and picking Vassell, he looks ready to slide right in to the teams defensive scheme.

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[azwfan]

I wouldn't mind trading down in the top 8 and picking Vassell, he looks ready to slide right in to the teams defensive scheme.

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Vassell’s defense could go a long ways in getting our defense back up to championship standards.

Unfortunately his offense is not what Kerr seems to typically look for. He looks like a spot up shooter on offense and not a lot else.

God his team defense is nice tho.

[wco81]

Why does anyone think Edwards and Deni can make a difference for a contending team. They both have their flaws also, but some reason people act is if Wiseman can't improve and they can.

Lower expectations and then be pleasantly surprised if the rookie exceeds them.

Chances are, this player will get minutes in the regular season but when rotations tighten up in the playoffs, he will get several DNPs, the deeper GSW may get into the playoffs.

That is why they have to fill in with journeymen who can play minutes in the playoffs like Milsap, Crowder for Miami -- though it is interesting that they play Herro more than Iggy, because he's more of a threat from 3 but not the defender Iggy is.


Just happened to look up Draymond's stats. In his rookie year, he played 13.4 MPG during the season, shot 32.7/20.9/81.8.

Despite these horrible numbers, he got more minutes in the playoffs, 18.6 MPG and shot much better, 42.9/39.1/76.5%, averaging more assists, rebounds and blocks.

So either he improved over the course of the season or he got hot at the right time.

Of course no guarantees that GSW gets another highly effective player like him again.

[Warriors Analyst]

I wouldn't mind trading down in the top 8 and picking Vassell, he looks ready to slide right in to the teams defensive scheme.

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Vassell’s defense could go a long ways in getting our defense back up to championship standards.

Unfortunately his offense is not what Kerr seems to typically look for. He looks like a spot up shooter on offense and not a lot else.

God his team defense is nice tho.

He's got way more athleticism on tap than you'd expect for somebody who is labeled primarily as a spot-up shooter. In a small ish role, he can learn to cut and make plays when he attacks closeouts. Being able to shoot the lights out opens up the entire floor for you and he already plays good D.

[Mav_Carter]

Vassell has a slow, high release point...it's going to be tough for him to get his shot off...