2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome)

[CharlesOakley]

Trump is a muddy pond compared to Biden.

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The problem with the democratic party is that they have been a bunch of feckless, spineless sycophants for my entire lifetime. Republicans will try any and all tactics to secure victory. They have think tanks and long-term strategies. The democrats have no strategy for winning and never take the gloves off.

I fully expect the dems will put up almost no resistance to the SC nomination - regardless of how demonic they are.

[Pointgod]

Trump is a muddy pond compared to Biden.

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The problem with the democratic party is that they have been a bunch of feckless, spineless sycophants for my entire lifetime. Republicans will try any and all tactics to secure victory. They have think tanks and long-term strategies. The democrats have no strategy for winning and never take the gloves off.

I fully expect the dems will put up almost no resistance to the SC nomination - regardless of how demonic they are.

What realistically do you want the Senate Democrats to do to stop the confirmation? I’m talking about tangible actions that will delay or stop the confirmation. What’s your take?

[Oscirus]

After this bull, Dems better not ever support another rebulican appointment to the supreme court

[CharlesOakley]

What realistically do you want the Senate Democrats to do to stop the confirmation? I’m talking about tangible actions that will delay or stop the confirmation. What’s your take?

I would make sure to secure the support of as many GOP senators as possible with whatever "House of Cards" tactics I needed to employ. I would start with Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski. I would analyze which senators could be pressured or purchased. Mitt Romney could be a possible target.

I would also try to stall things into November. There is also the potential to pick up another Senator as McCain's replacement takes office and looks to be a Dem. Those 4 votes are enough to prevent the appointment. If we pick up a bunch of senate seats in November and Trump loses, they will have an even better chance to block the nomination. The election is in 41 days and Congress is out of session for at least 11 of them. A proper nomination would take weeks so they don't need to come up with much.

If the GOP got their appointment I would immediately start strategizing on how to negate this move. Expanding the SC would be the logical option.

[HarthorneWingo]

Trump is a muddy pond compared to Biden.

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The problem with the democratic party is that they have been a bunch of feckless, spineless sycophants for my entire lifetime. Republicans will try any and all tactics to secure victory. They have think tanks and long-term strategies. The democrats have no strategy for winning and never take the gloves off.

I fully expect the dems will put up almost no resistance to the SC nomination - regardless of how demonic they are.

What realistically do you want the Senate Democrats to do to stop the confirmation? I’m talking about tangible actions that will delay or stop the confirmation. What’s your take?

We can’t stop the nomination but we should draw out the questioning and hit her with the kitchen sink (there is some great material to cross examine her with too). Make it a blood bath.

Then make sure you all vote all blue come November.

[Stannis]

I kind of hope Trump rushes a SCOTUS nominee and it gets approved.

Of course this relies on Biden winning by a landslide and the dems getting the Senate in November.

But if both of these scenarios happen, the dems have no excuse to play nice like they did under the Obama years. I can see the democrats finally having a spine and giving the GOP a KO by:
1) Giving DC and PR statehood, which will likely mean more senators for the democrats.
2) Packing the supreme court
3) Maybe even ridding the electoral college

Honestly, as I am typing this, I wouldn't be surprised if some republican senators will reject Trump's SCOTUS nominee because they know what the repercussions can be if the dems take the White House and Senate.

lot of wishful thinking there but not much to suggest the dems would actually fight back and take such measures

You right.

Plus lucks like this nominee will likely unit the republicans some more (see Romney). They always wanted to put an end to "killin' babies".

I watched a Sam Seder video, and he made a good point. It looks like all the a$$ kissing dems did at the convention and elsewhere to get former republicans was a waste. I'm sure they all will go back to the republican party soon.

[Cookies4Life]

The debates are coming up soon.

I'm very interested to see how Biden does. I wasn't very impressed with him during the primaries, he had some gaffes here and there and I thought several candidates outperformed him in many of the debates (Warren, Buttigieg and Klobuchar.) Maybe debating isn't his strong suit but to be fair he did much better as the primary season went on.

This next round of debates should be a very entertaining and insightful period. I expect outside of the economic woes/covid pandemic that the Breonna Taylor situation will be front and center. Donald did a good job deflecting today from speaking about the verdict and I'm interested to hear his perspective on the matter in a few days.

[Pointgod]

What realistically do you want the Senate Democrats to do to stop the confirmation? I’m talking about tangible actions that will delay or stop the confirmation. What’s your take?

I would make sure to secure the support of as many GOP senators as possible with whatever "House of Cards" tactics I needed to employ. I would start with Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski. I would analyze which senators could be pressured or purchased. Mitt Romney could be a possible target.

I would also try to stall things into November. There is also the potential to pick up another Senator as McCain's replacement takes office and looks to be a Dem. Those 4 votes are enough to prevent the appointment. If we pick up a bunch of senate seats in November and Trump loses, they will have an even better chance to block the nomination. The election is in 41 days and Congress is out of session for at least 11 of them. A proper nomination would take weeks so they don't need to come up with much.

If the GOP got their appointment I would immediately start strategizing on how to negate this move. Expanding the SC would be the logical option.

Okay I agree with everything here. The Democrats need their own version of Frank Underwood, but we know that realistically there’s nothing that they can do to prevent the confirmation. Although I agree they should do everything they can to slow it down. The best they can do is make this as politically painful as possible for Republicans up for re-election. People need to vote and vote early, in person if possible. This is literally decide if America remains a Democracy or goes down the road to Authoritarianism and eventually Facism. And I don’t say that lightly.

[Pointgod]

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The problem with the democratic party is that they have been a bunch of feckless, spineless sycophants for my entire lifetime. Republicans will try any and all tactics to secure victory. They have think tanks and long-term strategies. The democrats have no strategy for winning and never take the gloves off.

I fully expect the dems will put up almost no resistance to the SC nomination - regardless of how demonic they are.

What realistically do you want the Senate Democrats to do to stop the confirmation? I’m talking about tangible actions that will delay or stop the confirmation. What’s your take?

We can’t stop the nomination but we should draw out the questioning and hit her with the kitchen sink (there is some great material to cross examine her with too). Make it a blood bath.

Then make sure you all vote all blue come November.

Glad to see you’ve come around to the bolded. better late than never. I was listening to a podcast and they made a good point about not attacking the nominee. Remember the Republicans never attacked Garland, they just came up with some bull excuse. Democrats need to explicitly spell out the implications of a Conservative Supreme Court. People will die if they get rid of healthcare, women will be forced to carry pregnancies to term and die, women who are raped will have to carry to term, they will roll back all any environmental regulations and labor rights etc. Fear is a powerful motivator both ways and 20% of the people who voted for Trump in 2016 are pro choice which is not only furiously stupid, it roughly translates to 12 million votes that can be switched. Democrats need to go **** dirty and lay out the implications in simple terms.

[TGW]

Trump is a muddy pond compared to Biden.

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The problem with the democratic party is that they have been a bunch of feckless, spineless sycophants for my entire lifetime. Republicans will try any and all tactics to secure victory. They have think tanks and long-term strategies. The democrats have no strategy for winning and never take the gloves off.

I fully expect the dems will put up almost no resistance to the SC nomination - regardless of how demonic they are.

This is why I love this thread. If I were the say this very same statement on the politics thread on the wizards board, the Democrat circle jerk hive would lose their mind.

Thank you for posting content like this.

[HarthorneWingo]

Trump is a muddy pond compared to Biden.

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The problem with the democratic party is that they have been a bunch of feckless, spineless sycophants for my entire lifetime. Republicans will try any and all tactics to secure victory. They have think tanks and long-term strategies. The democrats have no strategy for winning and never take the gloves off.

I fully expect the dems will put up almost no resistance to the SC nomination - regardless of how demonic they are.

This is why I love this thread. If I were the say this very same statement on the politics thread on the wizards board, the Democrat circle jerk hive would lose their mind.

Thank you for posting content like this.

You're in the Beltway Bubble.

Welcome.

[HarthorneWingo]

When the Biden campaign does something good, we have to call that out too. What a simple and great little campaign ad. Only 10 seconds.

Watch on YouTube

[robillionaire]

Trump won’t step down even if he loses, he has said this repeatedly. So get prepared for that

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/23/us/politics/trump-power-transfer-2020-election.html

[mpharris36]

When the Biden campaign does something good, we have to call that out too. What a simple and great little campaign ad. Only 10 seconds.

Watch on YouTube

I thought that was a clever ad, had me laughing.

[HarthorneWingo]

Trump won’t step down even if he loses, he has said this repeatedly. So get prepared for that

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/23/us/politics/trump-power-transfer-2020-election.html

It will depend what the courts do with all of the litigation that is being filed now. Biden’s team of lawyers is fight them all. Lots of it is in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, I believe. At some point, though, we will have a final tally and that’ll be that.

[Oscirus]

Trump will gladly step down. He set himself up to profit when he goes. He'll bitch and pretend to be mad, but he'll go.

That being said, Biden's great unifier campaign is gonna cause trouble for him if he does become president. No way that he can make all his supporter happy or even just satisfied

[HarthorneWingo]

Trump will gladly step down. He set himself up to profit when he goes. He'll bitch and pretend to be mad, but he'll go.

That being said, Biden's great unifier campaign is gonna cause trouble for him if he does become president. No way that he can make all his supporter happy or even just satisfied

If Democrats take all three branches, then Joe will have no excuse. He'll need to be aware of those things that voters want. I think the more Joe talks about the needs of the middle class and what he'll do to turn things around as quickly as possible if everyone comes out and does their job and vote for him.

I'm hoping Joe combines that Harry Truman-like fire with FDR-style boldness.

[HarthorneWingo]

So AOC has confronted Diane Feinstein on her position of not moving forward on abolishing the filibuster if the Democrats take back the Senate and Biden beats Trump. What's wrong with Feinstein? Does she like getting kicked in the face over and over again?

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[Polk377]

The debates are coming up soon.

I'm very interested to see how Biden does. I wasn't very impressed with him during the primaries, he had some gaffes here and there and I thought several candidates outperformed him in many of the debates (Warren, Buttigieg and Klobuchar.) Maybe debating isn't his strong suit but to be fair he did much better as the primary season went on.

This next round of debates should be a very entertaining and insightful period. I expect outside of the economic woes/covid pandemic that the Breonna Taylor situation will be front and center. Donald did a good job deflecting today from speaking about the verdict and I'm interested to hear his perspective on the matter in a few days.

Biden will come out looking like the incompetent that he is. Trump will hit him hard and back him into a corner until Biden loses it and says something he isn't supposed to say. At this point Trump is Teflon, there is nothing Biden can do or say that will make any difference to Trump voters. Trump can however sway those in the middle to vote red by unmasking Biden.

[robillionaire]

The debates are coming up soon.

I'm very interested to see how Biden does. I wasn't very impressed with him during the primaries, he had some gaffes here and there and I thought several candidates outperformed him in many of the debates (Warren, Buttigieg and Klobuchar.) Maybe debating isn't his strong suit but to be fair he did much better as the primary season went on.

This next round of debates should be a very entertaining and insightful period. I expect outside of the economic woes/covid pandemic that the Breonna Taylor situation will be front and center. Donald did a good job deflecting today from speaking about the verdict and I'm interested to hear his perspective on the matter in a few days.

Biden will come out looking like the incompetent that he is. Trump will hit him hard and back him into a corner until Biden loses it and says something he isn't supposed to say. At this point Trump is Teflon, there is nothing Biden can do or say that will make any difference to Trump voters. Trump can however sway those in the middle to vote red by unmasking Biden.

Trump voters will support him even if he shot somebody, he says this himself and he is right. But those “in the middle” if there even is such a person could still be swayed one way or the other.

But at this point the debates are meaningless. I’m not planning to watch. Most people should know what they’re doing by now. We know very well who these politicians are. Trump is trump and Biden has been around for 100 or so years. Time better spent watching something else