Around the NBA - playoff bubble continued

[LookToShoot]

I'm not the biggest Tatum guy but he is an efficient scorer with a TS% of .567 in the regular season and .575 in the playoffs. Those are efficient percentages.

You can't be dismissive of analytics and then bring up efficiency when the numbers contradict your statement. Just saying.

I don’t need analytics to tell me he isn’t good. Fundamentals aren’t there and he can’t shoot. He is one of many manufactured stars in a league of glorified specialty players and ESPN favorites.

You're eurostepping the point.

You said he's an inefficient scorer. This is not true, and the data proves it. Tatum is an efficient scorer.

Analytics are not your enemy.

His shot selection is bad and is limited offensively. He’s not a star. Kemba’s not a star. Smart’s not a star. Jaylen brown is a star with no confidence because of a bad coach that supports mediocrity.

[Chanel Bomber]

Ok...

[NYKnickerbocker]

Tatum is way to jumper reliant being an athletic wing for my taste . Kinda like Paul George

He’s way better than Paul George

He reminds me off George lol. He hit star level earlier in his career. But he has a so so handle so he can’t consistently get to the rim, that makes him extra reliant on his J, which is better than George’s. Right now he’s more of tertiary star on a elite team to me. But he’s still getting better every season

[dakomish23]

Yeah I guess people are happy with Knox and Frank

Superstars in the making those two

2019-20:

Mitchell Robinson FG% .742

Knox and Frank cumulative FG% .752

Take that for data

[dakomish23]

Tatum is a talent no doubt about that but he will have to work it. I mean he will have to work a lot.

People are exaggerating about him because its Boston. They've been miserable for years and they are desperate for some glory. OK, fine. It's not like he is not a talent.

But he is not the biggest talent. He is a scorer. This is it. His defense is the least impressive in the Celtics besides Kemba. He is not a good passer. He is not a great rebounder. He is not a leader, he doesn't seem to extra motivate the others, nor to lead them like players like Luka, Morant,Mitchell, Murray and other youth are doing.

Don't get me wrong I like him a lot, but he is not there yet. People saying he is on Luka, Mitchell, Murray or even Morant level are crazy.

Tatum and Brad Stevens are overrated and overhyped and this is the reason they will fail for third straight year.

If they are as good as we are being told they would have beaten the worst finalist since Phily in 2001 in Cleveland, they would have beaten as we see the highly overrated Milwaukee team and they would have beaten for sure the Heat which is not a more talented team on paper than them. It's just that coach Spo is hard outcoaching Stevens and Jimmy Buttler being a true leader in the key moments while Tatum only scores when they are 10+ down.

Facts.

Tatum is an average to below average player. Anyone who says otherwise watches too much ESPN. He’s just not elite. Brown is the best player the Celtics have and they don’t use him.

If someone came in and average 23/7/3/1/1 for the Knicks, we would be crowning him as the next best player in the NBA.

And if that person just turned 21, we’d be talking about building a dynasty with him as a centerpiece.

The Tatum blasphemy is nonsense.

[dakomish23]

I don’t need analytics to tell me he isn’t good. Fundamentals aren’t there and he can’t shoot. He is one of many manufactured stars in a league of glorified specialty players and ESPN favorites.

You're eurostepping the point.

You said he's an inefficient scorer. This is not true, and the data proves it. Tatum is an efficient scorer.

Analytics are not your enemy.

His shot selection is bad and is limited offensively. He’s not a star. Kemba’s not a star. Smart’s not a star. Jaylen brown is a star with no confidence because of a bad coach that supports mediocrity.

Somewhere along the line, NBA fans fell into the trap that to make someone else look good, you have to make someone else look bad.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Superstars in the making those two

2019-20:

Mitchell Robinson FG% .742

Knox and Frank cumulative FG% .752

Take that for data

75 > 74

the Knicks should clearly play Frank and Kevin more and Mitch less.

[nedleeds]

Herro looked like #1 on The Suns tonight

Throw another log on the fire of we should have traded down instead of drafting RJ. This was a two player draft and 15 others, I guess it assumes we had competent scouting at the time.

Add him to the list of rookies I'd happily ship RJ for.

[iLLmatic860]

Herro looked like #1 on The Suns tonight

Throw another log on the fire of we should have traded down instead of drafting RJ. This was a two player draft and 15 others, I guess it assumes we had competent scouting at the time.

Add him to the list of rookies I'd happily ship RJ for.

RJ will be better than Herro

[spree2kawhi]

He’s way better than Paul George

No he's not. At their level, you can't be that harsh. Both are great, I think PG is the better player actually.

Tatum has been by far the superior player in the playoffs. There’s no comparison.

Yeah of course. But PG has been a top 5-10 player for 2 straight years despite injury, while Tatum hasn't really hit that level yet.

This is Tatum's best year. George has been producing like him since 2013, but he's been much better last year and even at the beginning of this season.

[spree2kawhi]

I don’t need analytics to tell me he isn’t good. Fundamentals aren’t there and he can’t shoot. He is one of many manufactured stars in a league of glorified specialty players and ESPN favorites.

You're eurostepping the point.

You said he's an inefficient scorer. This is not true, and the data proves it. Tatum is an efficient scorer.

Analytics are not your enemy.

His shot selection is bad and is limited offensively. He’s not a star. Kemba’s not a star. Smart’s not a star. Jaylen brown is a star with no confidence because of a bad coach that supports mediocrity.

Wow, I disagree...

[-YogiBiz-]

Tatum is an average to below average player. Anyone who says otherwise watches too much ESPN. He’s just not elite. Brown is the best player the Celtics have and they don’t use him.

If someone came in and average 23/7/3/1/1 for the Knicks, we would be crowning him as the next best player in the NBA.

Tatum isn’t good, not a complete player.

- Bad shooting touch, doesn’t have a feel for the ball.

- Poor ball handler

- Inefficient scorer

- Bricks a lot of layups and threes.

- Has one predictable side step move and mostly bricks.


He should stick to being a spot up shooter and playing off ball. He’s not a star and will never be. Jaylen Brown is way ahead of him and is the 4th option.

Shot over 40% from three on 7.1 attempts. You tripping dog.

I still don't understand your sentiment. Seeing how nothing you've stated has any backable evidence.

[3toheadmelo]

Tatum is way to jumper reliant being an athletic wing for my taste . Kinda like Paul George

He’s way better than Paul George

He reminds me off George lol. He hit star level earlier in his career. But he has a so so handle so he can’t consistently get to the rim, that makes him extra reliant on his J, which is better than George’s. Right now he’s more of tertiary star on a elite team to me. But he’s still getting better every season

We’ll see but at least he’s way more consistent than George.

But remember when he took his ankles

Watch on YouTube

[nedleeds]

Herro looked like #1 on The Suns tonight

Throw another log on the fire of we should have traded down instead of drafting RJ. This was a two player draft and 15 others, I guess it assumes we had competent scouting at the time.

Add him to the list of rookies I'd happily ship RJ for.

RJ will be better than Herro

10% chance. Herro's offensive game is light years ahead of RJ. It isn't even close. He's also doing it against desperate playoff defense and not the Wizards on Tuesday night. Herro is playing average NBA defense and isn't awful there and will likely get stronger as most 20 year old do.

RJ's only above average NBA skill right now is effort. Which is certainly a great start. If you wouldn't swap him for the following other 2020 rookies right now you are nuts.

Ja obviously
Zion
Herro
MPJr

these are all trades I'd make but you aren't nuts for saying no and believing RJ will learn to shoot at an average level

Brandon Clarke
Coby White

[3toheadmelo]

No he's not. At their level, you can't be that harsh. Both are great, I think PG is the better player actually.

Tatum has been by far the superior player in the playoffs. There’s no comparison.

Yeah of course. But PG has been a top 5-10 player for 2 straight years despite injury, while Tatum hasn't really hit that level yet.

This is Tatum's best year. George has been producing like him since 2013, but he's been much better last year and even at the beginning of this season.

Overall this season and playoffs though he’s been a lot better than Paul George. I think Tatum will continue to get better so we’ll see

[Zenzibar]

Tatum is a great player but it’s kinda like KP in that idk if I would want to max him out and Boston will have to max him out

Of course one would max him out, are you crazy!

The young man is 22 years old and has proven to be healthy and big time scorer in the playoffs. What more do you want as qualification?

[RHODEY]

I don’t need analytics to tell me he isn’t good. Fundamentals aren’t there and he can’t shoot. He is one of many manufactured stars in a league of glorified specialty players and ESPN favorites.

You're eurostepping the point.

You said he's an inefficient scorer. This is not true, and the data proves it. Tatum is an efficient scorer.

Analytics are not your enemy.

His shot selection is bad and is limited offensively. He’s not a star. Kemba’s not a star. Smart’s not a star. Jaylen brown is a star with no confidence because of a bad coach that supports mediocrity.

LOL I hate the Celtics but cmon. Those guys all allstar candidates, probably bench but still. Celtics have the highest aggregate level of those types and borderline allstars...but it hasn't been enough for them to get to the finals though..much to my delight!

[RHODEY]

Watching the Heat is particularity exciting, to me because it shows you can win at the highest levels without franchise Supermax talent. Last team I remember like that was the early /mid 2000's Pistons.

[Gravy]

lol knicks fans be like

[3toheadmelo]

lol knicks fans be like

Facts