Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[TheNetsFan]

The problem with Holiday is he only has a year left on his contract and then becomes a free agent the same year as Giannis, Kawhi, LeBron, PG...etc. There will be so many teams with cap space that strike out on the big names. All it takes is one team to offer Holiday 4 years $35 million and he could walk. I don’t want a player who isn’t even that elite offensively to hold our franchise hostage during our championship window. If he walks, we are so over the cap that we would have very little flexibility to improve the team.

I doubt Sean Marks will want to create a scenario where he either has to pay a non-superstar 30 year old undersized guard $35 million for 4 years or let him walk for nothing.

Our biggest need right now is a stretch 5 that can protect the rim. We can get by with LeVert, Dinwiddie, Prince, Temple, and TLC guarding the other team’s best perimeter players. If we move Dinwiddie and Allen, a Serge Ibaka or John Collins type should be the target. If you want everyone’s efficiency to go up, clear out the paint and Dinwiddie, LeVert, and Kyrie won’t have to worry about a rim protector waiting for them on every drive.

I disagree, we need a competent perimeter defender that can defend SG/SF/PF more than we need a stretch 5. Dinwiddie and Irving had no problem getting to the rim with Allen and Jordan on the floor, and LeVert's game has changed to where he is going for more mid range paint shots than hard driving lay ups. if anything, it just makes it easier for us if the big comes over to help, thats an alley oop or a dish and dunk every single time.

I agree with your assessment of trading for Jrue Holiday though.

Who would you rather get Jrue Holiday or John Collins? I would rather get John Collins. Or if the 6ers are really desperate for a playmaker, we could probably get Thybulle from them who makes $3.5 million for the next 3 years. Elton Brand is under a lot of pressure right now, They need a PG, and not many are available.

For this run with this team, Holiday is the better add. If you're hedging your bets and looking for not only short term help, but long term staying power with Kyrie, LeVert, etc. then you go Collins.

[vincecarter4pres]

All things equal, if you can land either Paul George or Jrue for the same assets and get either of them to opt in to their last year and tack on 2 years, last being an ETO(so 3 full seasons not worrying about them bouncing on their own), I take PG every time for this team.

It’s gotten to a point that even with some of his faults and fatal flaws, George is straight up underrated.

[ProspectPark]

I disagree, we need a competent perimeter defender that can defend SG/SF/PF more than we need a stretch 5. Dinwiddie and Irving had no problem getting to the rim with Allen and Jordan on the floor, and LeVert's game has changed to where he is going for more mid range paint shots than hard driving lay ups. if anything, it just makes it easier for us if the big comes over to help, thats an alley oop or a dish and dunk every single time.

I agree with your assessment of trading for Jrue Holiday though.

Who would you rather get Jrue Holiday or John Collins? I would rather get John Collins. Or if the 6ers are really desperate for a playmaker, we could probably get Thybulle from them who makes $3.5 million for the next 3 years. Elton Brand is under a lot of pressure right now, They need a PG, and not many are available.

For this run with this team, Holiday is the better add. If you're hedging your bets and looking for not only short term help, but long term staying power with Kyrie, LeVert, etc. then you go Collins.

I don’t see it. His contract situation puts us in a bad spot a year from now. Plus he’s not good enough offensively to make $30 million.

Collins is the perfect mix of athleticism and finesse. For us, he would be the 5th option after KD, Kyrie, LeVert, and Harris. We wouldn’t need him to carry us every night, sort of like what the Raps had with Siakam last year.

[Prokorov]

The problem with Holiday is he only has a year left on his contract and then becomes a free agent the same year as Giannis, Kawhi, LeBron, PG...etc. There will be so many teams with cap space that strike out on the big names. All it takes is one team to offer Holiday 4 years $35 million and he could walk. I don’t want a player who isn’t even that elite offensively to hold our franchise hostage during our championship window. If he walks, we are so over the cap that we would have very little flexibility to improve the team.

I doubt Sean Marks will want to create a scenario where he either has to pay a non-superstar 30 year old undersized guard $35 million for 4 years or let him walk for nothing.

Our biggest need right now is a stretch 5 that can protect the rim. We can get by with LeVert, Dinwiddie, Prince, Temple, and TLC guarding the other team’s best perimeter players. If we move Dinwiddie and Allen, a Serge Ibaka or John Collins type should be the target. If you want everyone’s efficiency to go up, clear out the paint and Dinwiddie, LeVert, and Kyrie won’t have to worry about a rim protector waiting for them on every drive.

I disagree, we need a competent perimeter defender that can defend SG/SF/PF more than we need a stretch 5. Dinwiddie and Irving had no problem getting to the rim with Allen and Jordan on the floor, and LeVert's game has changed to where he is going for more mid range paint shots than hard driving lay ups. if anything, it just makes it easier for us if the big comes over to help, thats an alley oop or a dish and dunk every single time.

I agree with your assessment of trading for Jrue Holiday though.

Who would you rather get Jrue Holiday or John Collins? I would rather get John Collins. Or if the 6ers are really desperate for a playmaker, we could probably get Thybulle from them who makes $3.5 million for the next 3 years. Elton Brand is under a lot of pressure right now, They need a PG, and not many are available.

i love collins.

that said, id rather jrue even if it cost us more to get him. he brings us much closer to a title. he is the perfect fit and missing piece

[Hello Brooklyn]

Apparently Nets are looking hard at Roberson.

https://www.netsdaily.com/2020/9/24/21453784/will-the-nets-use-mle-to-bolster-defense-could-it-be-a-family-affair

I think hes the perfect fit. He will be huge defensively and we have so much offense on this team anyway.

[ProspectPark]

I disagree, we need a competent perimeter defender that can defend SG/SF/PF more than we need a stretch 5. Dinwiddie and Irving had no problem getting to the rim with Allen and Jordan on the floor, and LeVert's game has changed to where he is going for more mid range paint shots than hard driving lay ups. if anything, it just makes it easier for us if the big comes over to help, thats an alley oop or a dish and dunk every single time.

I agree with your assessment of trading for Jrue Holiday though.

Who would you rather get Jrue Holiday or John Collins? I would rather get John Collins. Or if the 6ers are really desperate for a playmaker, we could probably get Thybulle from them who makes $3.5 million for the next 3 years. Elton Brand is under a lot of pressure right now, They need a PG, and not many are available.

i love collins.

that said, id rather jrue even if it cost us more to get him. he brings us much closer to a title. he is the perfect fit and missing piece

I don’t see it. He’s not good enough offensively. He’s way too streaky of a shooter. He’s not great at attacking the basket or getting to the line. I just personally prefer shooting guards who are lights out snipers. We could get Josh Richardson who does 80% of what Jrue does for half the price.

Plus Allen is just entering his athletic prime. Allen, Dinwiddie, and Harris off the bench is almost unfair. No bench unit in the league can match up with our 2nd unit. The advantage we get with our bench is sort of like the Warriors in 2015 when they had their “strength in numbers”. That alone in my opinion is greater than any positive impact we can get from Holiday.

You can scheme against a single lockdown defender. Teams can run plays to force Holiday to the weak side. Another option is Avery Bradley who is only 29 and can be had for the room exception.

[ProspectPark]

Apparently Nets are looking hard at Roberson.

https://www.netsdaily.com/2020/9/24/21453784/will-the-nets-use-mle-to-bolster-defense-could-it-be-a-family-affair

I think hes the perfect fit. He will be huge defensively and we have so much offense on this team anyway.

I doubt KD wants to play with him again. Roberson can’t shoot, dribble, or pass. Anytime he steps on the court we’d be playing 4 on 5.

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[MrDollarBills]

Apparently Nets are looking hard at Roberson.

https://www.netsdaily.com/2020/9/24/21453784/will-the-nets-use-mle-to-bolster-defense-could-it-be-a-family-affair

I think hes the perfect fit. He will be huge defensively and we have so much offense on this team anyway.

Roberson is exactly what we need in the line up. We need that wing defender.

[MrDollarBills]

John Collins is not going to be available, I'm not sure why his name is even coming up.

Avery Bradley is a realistic target.

[Prokorov]

Who would you rather get Jrue Holiday or John Collins? I would rather get John Collins. Or if the 6ers are really desperate for a playmaker, we could probably get Thybulle from them who makes $3.5 million for the next 3 years. Elton Brand is under a lot of pressure right now, They need a PG, and not many are available.

i love collins.

that said, id rather jrue even if it cost us more to get him. he brings us much closer to a title. he is the perfect fit and missing piece

I don’t see it. He’s not good enough offensively. He’s way too streaky of a shooter. He’s not great at attacking the basket or getting to the line. I just personally prefer shooting guards who are lights out snipers. We could get Josh Richardson who does 80% of what Jrue does for half the price.

Plus Allen is just entering his athletic prime. Allen, Dinwiddie, and Harris off the bench is almost unfair. No bench unit in the league can match up with our 2nd unit. The advantage we get with our bench is sort of like the Warriors in 2015 when they had their “strength in numbers”. That alone in my opinion is greater than any positive impact we can get from Holiday.

You can scheme against a single lockdown defender. Teams can run plays to force Holiday to the weak side. Another option is Avery Bradley who is only 29 and can be had for the room exception.

Jrue is a 20/7 player who shoots 35% from three (higher on catch and shoot threes). Saying he doesnt have enough offense to be a 3rd option is absurd. Also, Harris isnt coming off the bench. he is starting. and we will have insane amounts of shooting and spacing.

Jrue also is the leagues best G defender who can guard 1-4 and hold his own switched on a 5. without him, our defense may keep us from a title.

[Prokorov]

Roberson is kind of trash now. was always awful offensively but he is no longer a great defender anymore either. MKG is a better option for 1-way defender

[vincecarter4pres]

i love collins.

that said, id rather jrue even if it cost us more to get him. he brings us much closer to a title. he is the perfect fit and missing piece

I don’t see it. He’s not good enough offensively. He’s way too streaky of a shooter. He’s not great at attacking the basket or getting to the line. I just personally prefer shooting guards who are lights out snipers. We could get Josh Richardson who does 80% of what Jrue does for half the price.

Plus Allen is just entering his athletic prime. Allen, Dinwiddie, and Harris off the bench is almost unfair. No bench unit in the league can match up with our 2nd unit. The advantage we get with our bench is sort of like the Warriors in 2015 when they had their “strength in numbers”. That alone in my opinion is greater than any positive impact we can get from Holiday.

You can scheme against a single lockdown defender. Teams can run plays to force Holiday to the weak side. Another option is Avery Bradley who is only 29 and can be had for the room exception.

Jrue is a 20/7 player who shoots 35% from three (higher on catch and shoot threes). Saying he doesnt have enough offense to be a 3rd option is absurd. Also, Harris isnt coming off the bench. he is starting. and we will have insane amounts of shooting and spacing.

Jrue also is the leagues best G defender who can guard 1-4 and hold his own switched on a 5. without him, our defense may keep us from a title.

He’s also been an elite finisher the past 3 seasons, shooting around 66% at the rim on a high amount of attempts.

[MrDollarBills]

Yeah I'm not sure how anyone can look at the data on Jrue or the eye test and not want him next to Irving in the backcourt. The cost of doing business is the issue with Jrue, not the player or his impact. Trading our assets for a one year rental is a risky proposition.

[DarkXaero]

Apparently Nets are looking hard at Roberson.

https://www.netsdaily.com/2020/9/24/21453784/will-the-nets-use-mle-to-bolster-defense-could-it-be-a-family-affair

I think hes the perfect fit. He will be huge defensively and we have so much offense on this team anyway.

I'll take him on a prove it, minimum deal, but I'm not using the MLE on him, the guy hasn't played meaningful ball in two whole years, too much of an injury risk.

[ProspectPark]

Yeah I'm not sure how anyone can look at the data on Jrue or the eye test and not want him next to Irving in the backcourt. The cost of doing business is the issue with Jrue, not the player or his impact. Trading our assets for a one year rental is a risky proposition.

All the data points to him being a below average shooter who will cost us Dinwiddie and Allen and tie up 30% of our cap space.

He’s been in the league 10 years, all his shots are either open or wide open and he’s still pretty bad. Last year he took 318 shots from his preferred spot, above the break, and made only 31% of them.

He also could just walk in free agency which means we lost both Dinwiddie and Allen for nothing.

There’s no chance Marks will put us in that situation.

[DarkXaero]

All things equal, if you can land either Paul George or Jrue for the same assets and get either of them to opt in to their last year and tack on 2 years, last being an ETO(so 3 full seasons not worrying about them bouncing on their own), I take PG every time for this team.

It’s gotten to a point that even with some of his faults and fatal flaws, George is straight up underrated.

Very much agree with this but a) GMs don't think like RealGM posters/NBA fans and there will be a huge difference in trade cost for those two players, and b) A contender isn't going to strengthen another contender, which means Clippers will never trade PG to us, knowing what it would do for us.

[DarkXaero]

Yeah I'm not sure how anyone can look at the data on Jrue or the eye test and not want him next to Irving in the backcourt. The cost of doing business is the issue with Jrue, not the player or his impact. Trading our assets for a one year rental is a risky proposition.

All the data points to him being a below average shooter who will cost us Dinwiddie and Allen and tie up 30% of our cap space.

He’s been in the league 10 years, all his shots are either open or wide open and he’s still pretty bad. Last year he took 318 shots from his preferred spot, above the break, and made only 31% of them.

He also could just walk in free agency which means we lost both Dinwiddie and Allen for nothing.

There’s no chance Marks will put us in that situation.

Dude, he shot 35.3% from 3pt this year on 5.7 attempts per game, and that includes 36.4% from catch & shoot 3s, what are you on about with preferred spot? You're just focusing on the negatives because of stubbornness at this point, when nearly everyone here sees the value of Jrue. I get the point about the one year remaining on his deal, but as it has been stated before, GMs/front offices do their homework before signing off on the trade, and they won't do it unless they feel confident about Jrue being here long-term. And going by Jrue's character, someone who is a loyal, great guy by all accounts, who does a lot of community/charity work, he's definitely not a mercenary.

[DarkXaero]

Roberson is kind of trash now. was always awful offensively but he is no longer a great defender anymore either. MKG is a better option for 1-way defender

They've both been trash, they should only be signed as third string imo.

[ProspectPark]

Yeah I'm not sure how anyone can look at the data on Jrue or the eye test and not want him next to Irving in the backcourt. The cost of doing business is the issue with Jrue, not the player or his impact. Trading our assets for a one year rental is a risky proposition.

All the data points to him being a below average shooter who will cost us Dinwiddie and Allen and tie up 30% of our cap space.

He’s been in the league 10 years, all his shots are either open or wide open and he’s still pretty bad. Last year he took 318 shots from his preferred spot, above the break, and made only 31% of them.

He also could just walk in free agency which means we lost both Dinwiddie and Allen for nothing.

There’s no chance Marks will put us in that situation.

Dude, he shot 35.3% from 3pt this year on 5.7 attempts per game, and that includes 36.4% from catch & shoot 3s, what are you on about with preferred spot? You're just focusing on the negatives because of stubbornness at this point, when nearly everyone here sees the value of Jrue. I get the point about the one year remaining on his deal, but as it has been stated before, GMs/front offices do their homework before signing off on the trade, and they won't do it unless they feel confident about Jrue being here long-term. And going by Jrue's character, someone who is a loyal, great guy by all accounts, who does a lot of community/charity work, he's definitely not a mercenary.

For $30 million, I don’t want someone whose barely league average in a good year.

I’m not saying he has to shoot like Harden, Klay, Beal, LaVine, Mitchell, or Booker....but for all assets and cap space it would take to get him, don’t you want someone a little more reliable?

[MrDollarBills]

Yeah I'm not sure how anyone can look at the data on Jrue or the eye test and not want him next to Irving in the backcourt. The cost of doing business is the issue with Jrue, not the player or his impact. Trading our assets for a one year rental is a risky proposition.

All the data points to him being a below average shooter who will cost us Dinwiddie and Allen and tie up 30% of our cap space.

He’s been in the league 10 years, all his shots are either open or wide open and he’s still pretty bad. Last year he took 318 shots from his preferred spot, above the break, and made only 31% of them.

He also could just walk in free agency which means we lost both Dinwiddie and Allen for nothing.

There’s no chance Marks will put us in that situation.

35% from downtown is below average?

I'm not arguing for the trade mind you, the cost/cap space is a legit criticism. I don't think the guy is below average as a shooter and he's a plus defender that averaged 19/5/7, what's not to like about him as a player?