Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released)

[Brinbe]

this draft isn't weak at all. Just not immediately high-end like last year with Zion/Ja. But I think there's possible rotation level guys available way into the 2nd round. Which benefits us since we pick late.

Just about the right fits and properly developing players.

Scottie Lewis

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Charles Bassey

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Cassius Stanley

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These are 2nd round guys with obvious physical tools/skill that maybe aren't completely ready but you put them in the 905 system and let them develop.

[BoyzNTheHood]

We really need an infusion of high end young talent.

...said all 30 GM's.

[BoyzNTheHood]

this draft isn't weak at all. Just not immediately high-end like last year with Zion/Ja. But I think there's possible rotation level guys available way into the 2nd round. Which benefits us since we pick late.

Just about the right fits and properly developing players.

Spoiler:

Scottie Lewis

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Charles Bassey

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Cassius Stanley

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These are 2nd round guys with obvious physical tools/skill that maybe aren't completely ready but you put them in the 905 system and let them develop.

Scottie Lewis is going back to school.

[LoveMyRaps]

I hope we draft Mane with our late second round pick.

[HeadtopChunes]

this draft isn't weak at all. Just not immediately high-end like last year with Zion/Ja. But I think there's possible rotation level guys available way into the 2nd round. Which benefits us since we pick late.

Just about the right fits and properly developing players.

Spoiler:

Scottie Lewis

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Charles Bassey

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Cassius Stanley

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These are 2nd round guys with obvious physical tools/skill that maybe aren't completely ready but you put them in the 905 system and let them develop.

Scottie Lewis is going back to school.

Bassey didn’t declare either

[Brinbe]

this draft isn't weak at all. Just not immediately high-end like last year with Zion/Ja. But I think there's possible rotation level guys available way into the 2nd round. Which benefits us since we pick late.

Just about the right fits and properly developing players.

Spoiler:

Scottie Lewis

Watch on YouTube

Charles Bassey

Watch on YouTube

Cassius Stanley

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These are 2nd round guys with obvious physical tools/skill that maybe aren't completely ready but you put them in the 905 system and let them develop.

Scottie Lewis is going back to school.

good looks, but doesn't erase my point. Even with those guys not declaring

Immanuel Quickley, Paul Reed, Udoka Azubuike, etc etc.

this draft has depth

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[Indeed]

I've heard for so many years about certain drafts being weak. There are stars in every draft. just have to find them, and put them in the right situation (coaching, mixture of players, system, etc).

You see some draft with 3 superstars and 5 all-stars, while some draft may have 3 all-star, which is a weak draft.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2017.html

This draft may resemble the 2017 draft with even more rotation players in the 2nd round.

Top 10 : Tatum, Fox, Isaac,

Picked in the Teens: Mitchell, Adebayo, John Collins

In the 20's: OG, Jarrett Allen, Kuzma, Derrick White, Josh Hart

2nd round 30's: Frank Jackson, Iwundu, Ojeleye

40's: Dwayne Bacon, Thomas Bryant, Dillon Brooks

50's: Monte Morris

In this draft, I see around double the amount of type of players from "In the 20's" and later.

I see more of a 2002 draft class.
2017 is a decent draft class with a few all-stars / superstars, this year's draft may only have role players after the top 10. You would have Ojeleye draft in the mid-late 1st in this year instead of being a 2nd round.

[Psubs]

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This may have been posted before. I'd be cool with any of the 5, Bane, Bey, Kira Lewis, Tillman or Joe at #29. Joe shoots NBA range at 38% already on 10.6 attempts per game. That's impressive.

Though, can you imagine Bane (PG) and TD (SG) attacking other benches.

[Dalek]

You look at the Conference Finals and see the number of Kentucky guy on each team with big roles:

Tyler Herro
Bam Adebayo
AD
Jamal Murray

And even a couple role players:
Rondo
Kanter

The thing with Kentucky guys is that they don't always show their full game because of loaded teams. I know this isn't the best draft class for Kentucky, but I can't help but think about the potential of Quickley. An article I came across did this wild comparison. Look at the college stats (for draft years only) of the following guys:

Tyler Herro (2018-19 - drafted: 13) - 14.0 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.5 apg, 1.1 spg, 46.2 FG%, 35.5 3PT%

Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (2017-18 - drafted: 11) - 14.4 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 5.1 apg, 1.6 spg, 48.5 FG%, 40.4 3PT%

Jamal Murray (2015-16 - drafted: 7) - 20.0 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 2.2 apg, 1.0 spg, 45.4 FG%, 40.8 3PT%

Devin Booker (2014-15 - drafted: 13) - 10.0 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.1 apg, 0.4 spg, 47.0 FG%, 41.1 3PT%

Malik Monk (2016-17 - drafted: 11) - 19.8 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 2.3 apg, 0.9 spg, 45.0 FG% 39.7 FG3%


Versus 2020 prospects

Tyrese Maxey (2019-20) - 14.0 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 3.2 apg, 0.9 spg, 42.7 FG%, 29.2 3PT%

Immanuel Quickley (2019-20) - 16.1 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.9 apg, 0.9 spg, 41.7 FG%, 42.8 3PT%

Ashton Hagans (2019-20) - 11.5 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 6.4 apg, 1.9 spg, 41.7 FG%, 25.8 3PT%


I am not as high on Maxey as other people are. He doesn't look like a natural shooter and he has average athleticism and wingspan but he is likely the next Kentucky guy draft late lottery.

Quickley's numbers look pretty similar to Malik Monk, maybe better when you consider the steals and rebounds he gets. Yet, he will likely go in the second round. Is he the latest guy to exceed his draft slot?

Hagans is a solid floor general and defender but his offense needs a couple G-League seasons to see if it can improve. I see him as a Aaron Harrison type which is a pretty fringey NBA role player.

[ATLTimekeeper]

^One part about that is that those successes didn't seem to elude NBA talent evaluators. Most were lotto picks. They may have been slightly underrated in the sense that they should have gone higher in the lottery, but it's not like they would have slid to where we're slated to draft.

[Dalek]

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This may have been posted before. I'd be cool with any of the 5, Bane, Bey, Kira Lewis, Tillman or Joe at #29. Joe shoots NBA range at 38% already on 10.6 attempts per game. That's impressive.

Though, can you imagine Bane (PG) and TD (SG) attacking other benches.

Not feeling Bane as much but that is why I guess he is underrated. I just don't like his low and slow release and his body is way too stocky. I think they compared him to Eric Gordon but I feel like Gordon has a quicker release.

My most intriguing guy is Tyler Bey. He played on a fairly obscure team, and played as a PF close to the basket most of the time. He would have to show that he can play SF and make open shots, but his defense and athleticism are NBA level.

I see him as the next Trevor Ariza which is great if it all comes together as a 3 and D wing. I put him in the same class as Precious Achiuwa and Paul Reed. They all are flawed on offense but their defense and rebounding make them interesting. Bey is probably the only one who plays within himself being the most efficient of the bunch.

[Dalek]

^One part about that is that those successes didn't seem to elude NBA talent evaluators. Most were lotto picks. They may have been slightly underrated in the sense that they should have gone higher in the lottery, but it's not like they would have slid to where we're slated to draft.

Oh no, there was no way Toronto could have got any of those Kentucky picks (although I was dying to get SGA and Murray during their draft years). I just think all of those player outside Monk should have gone way higher.

Quickley is the guy from this draft that Toronto will likely pass on, but you look at his profile and can see some strong NBA game. For a scorer he had above average defensive numbers, also has a 6'10" wingspan, high motor, and plays well off the ball. I wouldn't be surprised if this guy ends up the best Kentucky player in this draft who should have been taken in the first round.

[ATLTimekeeper]

^One part about that is that those successes didn't seem to elude NBA talent evaluators. Most were lotto picks. They may have been slightly underrated in the sense that they should have gone higher in the lottery, but it's not like they would have slid to where we're slated to draft.

Oh no, there was no way Toronto could have got any of those Kentucky picks (although I was dying to get SGA and Murray during their draft years). I just think all of those player outside Monk should have gone way higher.

Quickley is the guy from this draft that Toronto will likely pass on, but you look at his profile and can see some strong NBA game. For a scorer he had above average defensive numbers, also has a 6'10" wingspan, high motor, and plays well off the ball. I wouldn't be surprised if this guy ends up the best Kentucky player in this draft who should have been taken in the first round.

It seems like they've had an unusual bit of success in that 10-15 ish range. Personally I thought PJ Washington looked like the better prospect than Herro this year, but obviously he's succeeding on the biggest stage and that's worth more.

[PhilBlackson]

I would just like for us to take a player with some good measurables (6’5+ up) that shows some good ball skills with the ability to develop into either a good to scorer (firstly which is why McDaniels or possibly Terry top my list) or someone with just a better bball IQ that can score n facilitate (like potentially Maledon, Bolmora or Poku). All the other names I see suggested scream high end role players to me (ie/ Tillman, Winston etc). Given our player development I’d like to see them actually have a better base to work with vs a piece they can just plug in with some coaching.

Hate to get ahead of myself but actually interested to see what our drafting is like next year when we presumably take a step back as some other teams (ie/ Nets) strengthen and when hopefully there’s a bit more (at least perceived) talent.

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This may have been posted before. I'd be cool with any of the 5, Bane, Bey, Kira Lewis, Tillman or Joe at #29. Joe shoots NBA range at 38% already on 10.6 attempts per game. That's impressive.

Though, can you imagine Bane (PG) and TD (SG) attacking other benches.

Not feeling Bane as much but that is why I guess he is underrated. I just don't like his low and slow release and his body is way too stocky. I think they compared him to Eric Gordon but I feel like Gordon has a quicker release.

My most intriguing guy is Tyler Bey. He played on a fairly obscure team, and played as a PF close to the basket most of the time. He would have to show that he can play SF and make open shots, but his defense and athleticism are NBA level.

I see him as the next Trevor Ariza which is great if it all comes together as a 3 and D wing. I put him in the same class as Precious Achiuwa and Paul Reed. They all are flawed on offense but their defense and rebounding make them interesting. Bey is probably the only one who plays within himself being the most efficient of the bunch.

If Bane's wingspan was 6'8 he'd be a prospect on the same level as Saddiq Bey and Aaron Nesmith.

[Dalek]

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This may have been posted before. I'd be cool with any of the 5, Bane, Bey, Kira Lewis, Tillman or Joe at #29. Joe shoots NBA range at 38% already on 10.6 attempts per game. That's impressive.

Though, can you imagine Bane (PG) and TD (SG) attacking other benches.

Not feeling Bane as much but that is why I guess he is underrated. I just don't like his low and slow release and his body is way too stocky. I think they compared him to Eric Gordon but I feel like Gordon has a quicker release.

My most intriguing guy is Tyler Bey. He played on a fairly obscure team, and played as a PF close to the basket most of the time. He would have to show that he can play SF and make open shots, but his defense and athleticism are NBA level.

I see him as the next Trevor Ariza which is great if it all comes together as a 3 and D wing. I put him in the same class as Precious Achiuwa and Paul Reed. They all are flawed on offense but their defense and rebounding make them interesting. Bey is probably the only one who plays within himself being the most efficient of the bunch.

If Bane's wingspan was 6'8 he'd be a prospect on the same level as Saddiq Bey and Aaron Nesmith.

For sure he would be on their level. Size is a real bias in the NBA, but in a fast game with elite length, you need to be able to get your shot off. I always think about Matt Thomas who has a very quick release but he often can't get any airspace to get his shot off. Defenses are trained to close on shooters so Bane will have to take his game to the next level. He is already 22 so it does cast a bit of doubt on him.

[Syd-TK3]

I would just like for us to take a player with some good measurables (6’5+ up) that shows some good ball skills with the ability to develop into either a good to scorer (firstly which is why McDaniels or possibly Terry top my list) or someone with just a better bball IQ that can score n facilitate (like potentially Maledon, Bolmora or Poku). All the other names I see suggested scream high end role players to me (ie/ Tillman, Winston etc). Given our player development I’d like to see them actually have a better base to work with vs a piece they can just plug in with some coaching.

Hate to get ahead of myself but actually interested to see what our drafting is like next year when we presumably take a step back as some other teams (ie/ Nets) strengthen and when hopefully there’s a bit more (at least perceived) talent.

Yeah at this point I'd really consider trading up for a higher risk talent pick like McDaniels if he doesn't fall especially with how clear our lack of shot making was. I think this is a year where we can afford to do that. None of the picks we make will be used as names to lure in Giannis or other free agents and I don't think we have the option to package them for any sorta stars to join so I think it'd be best to take our chance while we line things up for 2021

[JYD]

Not feeling Bane as much but that is why I guess he is underrated. I just don't like his low and slow release and his body is way too stocky. I think they compared him to Eric Gordon but I feel like Gordon has a quicker release.

I can see this concern, and Gordon has longer arms, as a direct 1-1 comp it's not great, but in terms of a guy whose body can help him, I think Bane could be in here.


edit: After saying a bunch of positive things and checking out some video, he doesn't move his feet and close as fast as I thought. If he were that kind of defender I could see the potential, but he does seem a little too limited in too many areas.

I think if you lack the footspeed and length, no amount of ball IQ and strength can compensate. On offense as well he seems a bit anemic even being able to get good looks after guys run him off the line.

[S ID]

I would just like for us to take a player with some good measurables (6’5+ up) that shows some good ball skills with the ability to develop into either a good to scorer (firstly which is why McDaniels or possibly Terry top my list) or someone with just a better bball IQ that can score n facilitate (like potentially Maledon, Bolmora or Poku). All the other names I see suggested scream high end role players to me (ie/ Tillman, Winston etc). Given our player development I’d like to see them actually have a better base to work with vs a piece they can just plug in with some coaching.

Hate to get ahead of myself but actually interested to see what our drafting is like next year when we presumably take a step back as some other teams (ie/ Nets) strengthen and when hopefully there’s a bit more (at least perceived) talent.

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[Mark_83]

Not feeling Bane as much but that is why I guess he is underrated. I just don't like his low and slow release and his body is way too stocky. I think they compared him to Eric Gordon but I feel like Gordon has a quicker release.

I can see this concern, and Gordon has longer arms, as a direct 1-1 comp it's not great, but in terms of a guy whose body can help him, I think Bane could be in here.


edit: After saying a bunch of positive things and checking out some video, he doesn't move his feet and close as fast as I thought. If he were that kind of defender I could see the potential, but he does seem a little too limited in too many areas.

I think if you lack the footspeed and length, no amount of ball IQ and strength can compensate.On offense as well he seems a bit anemic even being able to get good looks after guys run him off the line.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/fred-vanvleet-58750/

VanVleet was measured at 6'1 in shoes during the 2015 Pan Am Training Camp with a 6'2 wingspan, which puts him below average in terms of height and length compared with most NBA point guards. He isn't a great athlete either, as he doesn't possess a high top speed or a quick burst, but he has an exceptionally high basketball IQ, can operate at different speeds and utilizes his strength well to make an impact in the half-court.