Around the NBA - playoff bubble continued

[jvsimonetti0514]

One game? Have you watched the playoffs?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tyler-herro-1.html

No thanks Vlade, I'll just look at what they did in college and assume bad shooting is bad shooting which is exactly what RJ is. A dreadful college shooter from everywhere including the line, who had two other lottery picks on his Duke team but still couldn't hit water with an oar.

Herro shot 93.5% from the line in college. 36% from 3.
RJ shot 67% from the line, 30.8% from 3.

We drafted an awful shooter at #3 who turns out to be an awful shooter. We drafted an average NBA athlete who looks very much like an average NBA athlete. Again I would have tried anything to trade out of that pick at all costs.

No GM or scout on Earth would trade Herro for RJ Barrett right now. He looks better than Harden did at 20. Maybe this new shooting coach and Thibs' can make RJ into a good NBA player. I sure hope so.

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FWIW this was Herro's numbers before the bubble. Maybe he made a huge jump in the time off since they season stopped but I think it's important to take the bubbles shooting numbers with a grain of salt.

I think Herro’s bubble numbers are real. But as many people have said, the break and then the restart essentially made the bubble a sophomore season. And from that perspective Herro has sure made a leap. I think it’s real, it’s just that players like RJ haven’t that same opportunity. I’m hyped thinking about how RJ’s gonna play next season.

I'm just a bubble skeptic because of the lack of fans and their distractions. Everyone looks like stars when they're shooting in an empty gym. I feel like I'd used to see Dwight Howard hit like 10 free throws in a row in a practice. If bubble Herro made that jump during the stoppage, I wouldn't be shocked if he ended up being the best player from this draft. He's a triple double threat that can score on all 3 levels. Neither Zion or Ja can do that right now. We just need to hope that RJ was locked into a gym with Hanlen working on getting that shot right. The longer offseason should be a big help for all the kids.

[HEZI]

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FWIW this was Herro's numbers before the bubble. Maybe he made a huge jump in the time off since they season stopped but I think it's important to take the bubbles shooting numbers with a grain of salt.

I think Herro’s bubble numbers are real. But as many people have said, the break and then the restart essentially made the bubble a sophomore season. And from that perspective Herro has sure made a leap. I think it’s real, it’s just that players like RJ haven’t that same opportunity. I’m hyped thinking about how RJ’s gonna play next season.

I'm just a bubble skeptic because of the lack of fans and their distractions. Everyone looks like stars when they're shooting in an empty gym. I feel like I'd used to see Dwight Howard hit like 10 free throws in a row in a practice. If bubble Herro made that jump during the stoppage, I wouldn't be shocked if he ended up being the best player from this draft. He's a triple double threat that can score on all 3 levels. Neither Zion or Ja can do that right now. We just need to hope that RJ was locked into a gym with Hanlen working on getting that shot right. The longer offseason should be a big help for all the kids.

But the playing field is neutral for all so it applies to everybody. There's no distraction for the Celtics either and they are a group that's been getting bounced out the playoffs for the last few years and should have some level of hunger and pride. They are fighting to make the NBA Finals and to have a rookie destroy them like that in a crucial must win game is still pretty significant. Bubble tournament or not, we are still talking about a conference finals with a lot on the line. And let me tell you this, Spo is no fool, he's one of the best coaches in the game, so for him to trust the rookie like that, not only in big minutes but to put the ball in his hands by design and let him go to work with everything on the line speaks a lot. For Butler to let him do that, Dragic to let him do that, guys who are hungry for a ring to sit back and let a rookie close out a game 4 in the conference finals speaks a lot.

[nedleeds]

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FWIW this was Herro's numbers before the bubble. Maybe he made a huge jump in the time off since they season stopped but I think it's important to take the bubbles shooting numbers with a grain of salt.

I think Herro’s bubble numbers are real. But as many people have said, the break and then the restart essentially made the bubble a sophomore season. And from that perspective Herro has sure made a leap. I think it’s real, it’s just that players like RJ haven’t that same opportunity. I’m hyped thinking about how RJ’s gonna play next season.

I'm just a bubble skeptic because of the lack of fans and their distractions. Everyone looks like stars when they're shooting in an empty gym. I feel like I'd used to see Dwight Howard hit like 10 free throws in a row in a practice. If bubble Herro made that jump during the stoppage, I wouldn't be shocked if he ended up being the best player from this draft. He's a triple double threat that can score on all 3 levels. Neither Zion or Ja can do that right now. We just need to hope that RJ was locked into a gym with Hanlen working on getting that shot right. The longer offseason should be a big help for all the kids.

Pre-bubble Herro was shooting 39% from 3 and 84% from the line. RJ can't hit water with an oar.

Again, if we picked RJ 12th I wouldn't care but I think if we had good scouts and a front office we could have just traded out once we realized we got hosed in a 2 player draft.

As for people saying they wouldn't trade RJ for Herro you are just being homers. He's on a completely different level right now and has been for most of the year. Here's him and James Harden.

https://stathead.com/tiny/TxC6p

[jvsimonetti0514]

I think Herro’s bubble numbers are real. But as many people have said, the break and then the restart essentially made the bubble a sophomore season. And from that perspective Herro has sure made a leap. I think it’s real, it’s just that players like RJ haven’t that same opportunity. I’m hyped thinking about how RJ’s gonna play next season.

I'm just a bubble skeptic because of the lack of fans and their distractions. Everyone looks like stars when they're shooting in an empty gym. I feel like I'd used to see Dwight Howard hit like 10 free throws in a row in a practice. If bubble Herro made that jump during the stoppage, I wouldn't be shocked if he ended up being the best player from this draft. He's a triple double threat that can score on all 3 levels. Neither Zion or Ja can do that right now. We just need to hope that RJ was locked into a gym with Hanlen working on getting that shot right. The longer offseason should be a big help for all the kids.

But the playing field is neutral for all so it applies to everybody. There's no distraction for the Celtics either and they are a group that's been getting bounced out the playoffs for the last few years and should have some level of hunger and pride. They are fighting to make the NBA Finals and to have a rookie destroy them like that in a crucial must win game is still pretty significant. Bubble tournament or not, we are still talking about a conference finals with a lot on the line. And let me tell you this, Spo is no fool, he's one of the best coaches in the game, so for him to trust the rookie like that, not only in big minutes but to put the ball in his hands by design and let him go to work with everything on the line speaks a lot. For Butler to let him do that, Dragic to let him do that, guys who are hungry for a ring to sit back and let a rookie close out a game 4 in the conference finals speaks a lot.

100%... I think the shooting numbers are inflated for everyone here in the bubble, not just Herro's. The kid is super talented and fits their roster really well. I just don't want to crown him just because everyone has gone off in this setting. I think you bring up a lot of good points on why this Heat team is really easy to root for. Not many vets would take a back seat in a close game because their rookie is going off. Hopefully we can develop a culture like the Heat some day.

[K_ick_God]

lol at the tatum hate. he is not special? you guys...

He is special, he is not that special. Would you take him over Doncic, Zion, Ja, Mitchell, Murray, Booker?

i think half the list is up for debate. before this bubble, everyone would have took him over murray. can we trust that this is repeatable outside of the bubble ? zion has yet to prove he's better. same for ja. luka in his own tier. i would say booker, tatum, mitchell are all around the same level. i would probably take the other 2 first but they're also 1 and 2 years older respectively. so i could easily be wrong.

Agree almost verbatim. You and I were saying Tatum isn’t physically dominant before the very recent questioning of him. His handle is not great and he’s not a point forward although he does some of that too.

He’s probably a bit on the lower ceiling and higher floor area now. But still young. Pretty smart player.

I think it’s weird that he’s so dominant within their attack while Brown shows only bursts but many of them good. That’s coaching though.

I’d take Tatum over Zion and Ja and maybe Donovan. But that’s for a few different reasons.

[K_ick_God]

You can compare Donovan and Tatum to Luka and that’s fine and the D comes into play and all that.

But the main thing is O and honestly maybe Herro is the guy who most compares to Luka. He has a ways to go but with his J and activity level and decent size, he’s already halfway there. He would need to become a little better at some other aspect like working inside. But do you really doubt that he can do that?

Pretty good playmaking makeup already. He’s the most like Luka offensively, even if he’s not all the way there yet. And his stroke is purer.

Not as much a natural playmaker or ball dominant — I’d def bet he doesn’t get to Luka’s level but when you’re comparing guys you need to compare their offensive ceiling and I’m not positive he can’t reach a perennial all star level.

Also Tatum’s points will be efficient and smart but that doesn’t guarantee he will be truly dominant. He is more Melo than Bron basically.

Def agree that post Bubble might be different. This may be an illusion.

[jvsimonetti0514]

I think Herro’s bubble numbers are real. But as many people have said, the break and then the restart essentially made the bubble a sophomore season. And from that perspective Herro has sure made a leap. I think it’s real, it’s just that players like RJ haven’t that same opportunity. I’m hyped thinking about how RJ’s gonna play next season.

I'm just a bubble skeptic because of the lack of fans and their distractions. Everyone looks like stars when they're shooting in an empty gym. I feel like I'd used to see Dwight Howard hit like 10 free throws in a row in a practice. If bubble Herro made that jump during the stoppage, I wouldn't be shocked if he ended up being the best player from this draft. He's a triple double threat that can score on all 3 levels. Neither Zion or Ja can do that right now. We just need to hope that RJ was locked into a gym with Hanlen working on getting that shot right. The longer offseason should be a big help for all the kids.

Pre-bubble Herro was shooting 39% from 3 and 84% from the line. RJ can't hit water with an oar.

Again, if we picked RJ 12th I wouldn't care but I think if we had good scouts and a front office we could have just traded out once we realized we got hosed in a 2 player draft.

As for people saying they wouldn't trade RJ for Herro you are just being homers. He's on a completely different level right now and has been for most of the year. Here's him and James Harden.

https://stathead.com/tiny/TxC6p

You really think RJ would be a late lottery pick in a redraft? I don't think you and I are close to being on the same page there. Herro has been great since the restart but we haven't seen RJ play since March and he had pretty much the exact same TS% as Herro before the shutdown. So I don't think the numbers back up that Herro was on a "completely different level for most of the year." For all we know RJ has made some crazy improvement like Herro has shown in the bubble. Everyone gets on RJ for his efficiency( and they should) but he shot better from 2 pointers than Harden did as rookie.

[K_ick_God]

anyone calling for Brad to be fired has to realize this isn't going to happen. He just signed an extension. This organization clearly doesn't value championships otherwise they wouldn't keep employing Danny "can't draft" Ainge who has just one championship in 16 years as G.M. and he owes that one to getting MVP candidate Kevin Garnett from his best friend McHale. Ownership likes fans in the seats and are happy just making the playoffs. That's what signing Brad to an extension says to me. There's no accountability in Boston. I said it years ago after the 2016 disastrous draft. That draft was so bad, that it would prevent us from being contenders for a decade. That's how bad it was. And then he followed that up with an even worse 2019 draft. You can't hope to win championships blowing 10 draft picks like Ainge has and this isn't even including the 2013 and 2014 drafts. If an owner sees this, and chooses to extend the G.M., they clearly don't value championships. If an owner sees the team folding in big games for several years in a row, and chooses to extend the H.C., they're clearly happy with just making the playoffs and not winning a championship. After all, getting to the Finals might force his hand and make him pay luxury taxes to keep a team like that together and that's clearly not something they want to do. And players know this folks. That's why we never get the Tier A free agents and are forced to overpay for Tier B ones like Horford, Hayward and Kemba (via trade).

[HarthorneWingo]

Herro’s 3 point and FT shooting are much better than RJ’s. Also, Herro did his on a good team now competing to get into the Finals. He had the pressure to perform at a high level in season of consequence.

Herro was drafted no. 13.

[Knicksfan1992]

We're just going to ignore that RJ is a much better defender and rebounder? Also the fact that RJ gets to the line astronomically more than Herro does.

Herro's great and i pushed for him a lot in the draft thread but you take the shot on RJ's upside every time. If you're saying differently its being a monday morning quarterback reactionary to a hot shooting night. If Herro doesnt shoot well he doesnt give you anything else besides decent kick outs off drives from time to time.

[Worst_to_First]

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Towards the end Calipari saying that Tyler Herro is playing hard so Jimmy can reach the Finals. Said to be very grateful to Jimmy for helping him be the player that he is.

[NYKnickerbocker]

Dwight ain’t affecting joker no more lol, the joker gunna feast again

[NYKnickerbocker]

Why they make Knox stop taking floaters like it’s bad thing for a big man lol, AD abusing the **** outta that

[3toheadmelo]

AD is so good

[3toheadmelo]

Murray starting off hot

[HEZI]

AD is ridiculous right now

[Chanel Bomber]

[3toheadmelo]

Howard is destroying Jokic wtf lol

[HEZI]

Howard is destroying Jokic wtf lol

Yeah he's not even attempting to wrestle Dwight down there. I'm just going to guess he's trying to avoid picking up any fouls that force him to go to the bench. He's not even trying to box him out

[Chanel Bomber]