The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 7)

letskissbro · Post #761 » by **letskissbro** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:50 am

Goddamn this thread is pathetic sometimes. It isn't a secret that LeBron doesn't have the same quickness he did years ago. Get used to it already. He doesn't have to score 30 on 60% shooting and 10+ layups to have a good game. It also doesn't help that LA has garbage spacing, especially for a 2020 team. You guys got too used to his 2017-2018 PS production which he was only able to put up because CLE was running 4 and 5 out with elite shooters at every position. Who knows, if he had the shooting cast he had in Cleveland he might still be able to put up those performances. He's at 64% TS right now which is a goddamn miracle at his age with this offensive load

homecourtloss · Post #762 » by **homecourtloss** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:50 am

RealGM GB has been absolutely losing its mind over LeBron the last 7 days :lol:

Well, last 10 years, I guess.

LikeABosh · Post #763 » by **LikeABosh** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:52 am

xb3at band1tx wrote:Lakers didn't play particularly well but I'll take it.

You're eventually gonna run into a mud fight in the post-season, feasting on the boards and getting 2nd chance points saved us.

I actually thought they played a pretty good game. 80% from the line and only 9 turnovers to 25 assists. Held the lead for most of the game. It's just Murray was hot and LeBron was cold

toodles23 · Post #764 » by **toodles23** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:53 am

Eddy_JukeZ wrote:This board is rather gloom and doom this entire playoff run regarding Lebron. Some of you guys need to have more faith in Lebron and AD haha.

Yeah reading this thread makes you think he's playing far worse than he actually is (I've been as guilty as anybody at being overly negative over the years, not like I'm blameless). I thought he had a solid all around game, especially defensively, and finishing with 0 TOs goes a long way in mitigating his somewhat inefficient shooting. His jumper was way off which is the blemish on his game tonight, but Denver did a great job closing off potential driving lanes and forcing him into those. What's amazing is that the Lakers can probably win the title even with his jumper being broken.

Nice to see him get to the line more, seems like the complaints from the Lakers really helped. Predictably it caused the GB to melt down worse than an 8 year old getting his Xbox taken away.

nbhadja · Post #765 » by **nbhadja** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:54 am

letskissbro wrote:Goddamn this thread is pathetic sometimes. It isn't a secret that LeBron doesn't have the same quickness he did years ago. Get used to it already. He doesn't have to score 30 on 60% shooting and 10+ layups to have a good game. It also doesn't help that LA has garbage spacing, especially for a 2020 team. You guys got too used to his 2017-2018 PS production which he was only able to put up because CLE was running 4 and 5 out with elite shooters at every position. Who knows, if he had the shooting cast he had in Cleveland he might still be able to put up those performances. He's at 64% TS right now which is a goddamn miracle at his age with this offensive load

Yeah people forget that LA has bad spacing and that Cleveland had great spacing. If LA had great spacing Lebron's scoring would be much better imo and it's still good even with the bad spacing. Next year LA can add some more shooting and they will be very scary.

GSP · Post #766 » by **GSP** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:57 am

That was a huge win. I think Denver is deflated for the first time these playoffs

yoyoboy · Post #767 » by **yoyoboy** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:01 am

Come on. LeBron missed so many jump shots in a row closing this game and settled a lot, just as he did in the 4th quarters of the last 2 games (though these last 2 games he made up for it in other ways). It's fair to criticize him. We're judging him by best player in the world standards here. Not some normal All Star.

xb3at band1tx · Post #768 » by **xb3at band1tx** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:05 am

Murray looked dejected in that interview.

I think Friday is gonna be tough but today proved to me they are the 2nd best team in the bubble. Denver is just so relentless and I don't think the Heat have the offense to do the things they do with Murray and Joker.

letskissbro · Post #769 » by **letskissbro** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:07 am

nbhadja wrote:
letskissbro wrote:Goddamn this thread is pathetic sometimes. It isn't a secret that LeBron doesn't have the same quickness he did years ago. Get used to it already. He doesn't have to score 30 on 60% shooting and 10+ layups to have a good game. It also doesn't help that LA has garbage spacing, especially for a 2020 team. You guys got too used to his 2017-2018 PS production which he was only able to put up because CLE was running 4 and 5 out with elite shooters at every position. Who knows, if he had the shooting cast he had in Cleveland he might still be able to put up those performances. He's at 64% TS right now which is a goddamn miracle at his age with this offensive load

Yeah people forget that LA has bad spacing and that Cleveland had great spacing. If LA had great spacing Lebron's scoring would be much better imo and it's still good even with the bad spacing. Next year LA can add some more shooting and they will be very scary.

This season has essentially shot down the pseudo-intellectual critique of his portability that he's like Giannis or Westbrook and requires stretch bigs or for his team to sell out on defensive pieces for spacing. He already proved it wrong in 2010 but people chose to turn a blind eye. Now he's doing it a decade later at almost 36. It isn't as pretty as the Cavs' offense but it works. People need to separate individual statistical production from his skillset which is what separates and keeps him the best player in the league

Heej · Post #770 » by **Heej** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:08 am

yoyoboy wrote:Come on. LeBron missed so many jump shots in a row closing this game and settled a lot, just as he did in the 4th quarters of the last 2 games (though these last 2 games he made up for it in other ways). It's fair to criticize him. We're judging him by best player in the world standards here. Not some normal All Star.

LMFAO seriously the man was getting walled off in the paint and not making them truly pay with his jumper or particularly amazing passing. The Lakers role players were contested on like 65% of their shots I feel. He wasn't dining them up for wide open looks the way the Nuggets were doing the first half

dreamshake · Post #771 » by **dreamshake** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:10 am

xb3at band1tx wrote:Murray looked dejected in that interview.

I think Friday is gonna be tough but today proved to me they are the 2nd best team in the bubble. Denver is just so relentless and I don't think the Heat have the offense to do the things they do with Murray and Joker.

Miami is way more formidable defensively though. Lots of veteran wing defense and Bam. Nuggets are pretty meh defensively personnel-wise.

xb3at band1tx · Post #772 » by **xb3at band1tx** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:12 am

dreamshake wrote:
xb3at band1tx wrote:Murray looked dejected in that interview.

I think Friday is gonna be tough but today proved to me they are the 2nd best team in the bubble. Denver is just so relentless and I don't think the Heat have the offense to do the things they do with Murray and Joker.

Miami is way more formidable defensively though. Lots of veteran wing defense and Bam. Nuggets are pretty meh defensively personnel-wise.

For sure but imo Murray's ascent to superstardom and Joker being who he is, is a much more potent danger then whatever defense Miami can throw at you.

Nuggets are so damn relentless.

Heej · Post #773 » by **Heej** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:13 am

Good God defending the Heat pick and roll will feel like picking daisies on a lazy Sunday afternoon compared to the high octane terror that is containing Murray and Jokic

thebigbird · Post #774 » by **thebigbird** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:14 am

If the Lakers win it all this year, it really shows the silliness of using rings as a barometer. This playoff run isn’t even close to 2017 or 2018 for Bron, yet if the win it all it will be seen as the better run.

poopdamoop · Post #775 » by **poopdamoop** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:14 am

Heej wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:Come on. LeBron missed so many jump shots in a row closing this game and settled a lot, just as he did in the 4th quarters of the last 2 games (though these last 2 games he made up for it in other ways). It's fair to criticize him. We're judging him by best player in the world standards here. Not some normal All Star.

LMFAO seriously the man was getting walled off in the paint and not making them truly pay with his jumper or particularly amazing passing. The Lakers role players were contested on like 65% of their shots I feel. He wasn't dining them up for wide open looks the way the Nuggets were doing the first half

It was definitely worrying, Nuggets are one step away from guarding him like Giannis. His all-around game was fantastic today, but it felt like he only scored in semi transition or from free throws.

xb3at band1tx · Post #776 » by **xb3at band1tx** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:14 am

On the LeBron topic, I'll still wait to reserve whether he's not the best player anymore.

The Breonna Taylor verdict seemed to affect his mood today and it doesn't help his kid got caught smoking weed.

xb3at band1tx · Post #777 » by **xb3at band1tx** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:16 am

Heej wrote:Good God defending the Heat pick and roll will feel like picking daisies on a lazy Sunday afternoon compared to the high octane terror that is containing Murray and Jokic

Seriously.
Butler, herro, and bam are nice but good god that denver duo refuses to go away.

Post #778 » by **PaulieWal** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:16 am

poopdamoop wrote:
Heej wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:Come on. LeBron missed so many jump shots in a row closing this game and settled a lot, just as he did in the 4th quarters of the last 2 games (though these last 2 games he made up for it in other ways). It's fair to criticize him. We're judging him by best player in the world standards here. Not some normal All Star.

LMFAO seriously the man was getting walled off in the paint and not making them truly pay with his jumper or particularly amazing passing. The Lakers role players were contested on like 65% of their shots I feel. He wasn't dining them up for wide open looks the way the Nuggets were doing the first half

It was definitely worrying, Nuggets are one step away from guarding him like Giannis. His all-around game was fantastic today, but it felt like he only scored in semi transition or from free throws.

That's fine, let them build the wall. If the Nuggets build the wall, it will force Vogel to finally put LeBron in the post. Go super small, spread the floor and let LeBron post-up. Right now they are not posting him up at all. I remember before the pre-Covid season ended LeBron was killing it in the post and looking like his 2018 self in there.

mademan · Post #779 » by **mademan** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:20 am

xb3at band1tx wrote:On the LeBron topic, I'll still wait to reserve whether he's not the best player anymore.

The Breonna Taylor verdict seemed to affect his mood today and it doesn't help his kid got caught smoking weed.

His body language he legit doesnt want to be there. I was surprised when i heard he and the Lakers wanted to leave during round 1 when they suspended play, but looking at him and the way he's acting...his mannerisms make it look like its a preseason game. Like he's there only out of obligation

A_Biased_Fan · Post #780 » by **A_Biased_Fan** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:20 am

dreamshake wrote:
xb3at band1tx wrote:Murray looked dejected in that interview.

I think Friday is gonna be tough but today proved to me they are the 2nd best team in the bubble. Denver is just so relentless and I don't think the Heat have the offense to do the things they do with Murray and Joker.

Miami is way more formidable defensively though. Lots of veteran wing defense and Bam. Nuggets are pretty meh defensively personnel-wise.

They have some very good defenders and guys you can absolutely take advantage of like Robinson and Herro. Lebron will be matchup hunting.