Trade Talk (Part Four)

[KGdaBom]

Beal is their Towns. Would you trade KAT for the 1st this year? I wouldn't.

It would likely take a lot more.

[NYG]

1 and James Johnson for Dejounte Murray and 11?

[SO_MONEY]

1 and James Johnson for Dejounte Murray and 11?

Not enough. Hard to close the gap in value when moving down that far.

[Jedzz]

Another two teams up against the payroll with 2 players who could leave for nothing are Wash with Bertans and Nets with Harris.

Harris would be interesting for this team. Don't think he solves defense issues much. But his size could be useful in that regard and most definitely his shooting!

[KGdaBom]

1 and James Johnson for Dejounte Murray and 11?

No

[minimus]

1 and James Johnson for Dejounte Murray and 11?

I like this trade. His extension 70mil/4yrs starts in 2020/21, which will give us 4 full yrs of development. He is a All-NBA devensive team material.

Considering KAT rumors.

First trade: #1, Culver, Spellman for Murray, #11
Second trade: #17, JJ, Evans for Aaron Gordon

Draft Vassell, Tillie. Bring back Beasley (54mil/4yrs), JMac (11mil/3yrs), Juancho (15mil/3yrs), Martin (8mil/1+3yrs)

KAT/Reid/Tillie
Gordon/Juancho/Vanderbilt
Vassell/Layman/Martin
Besley/Okogie/Murray
DLo/Murray/JMac

Is this team good enough for playoffs in West?

[shrink]

1 and James Johnson for Dejounte Murray and 11?

I think the Spurs would have to add much more. The #11 isn’t that valuable, and Murray is getting paid.

And of course, I don’t see how you could get it to work under the CBA.

[KGdaBom]

1 and James Johnson for Dejounte Murray and 11?

I like this trade. His extension 70mil/4yrs starts in 2020/21, which will give us 4 full yrs of development. He is a All-NBA devensive team material.

Considering KAT rumors.

First trade: #1, Culver, Spellman for Murray, #11
Second trade: #17, JJ, Evans for Aaron Gordon

Draft Vassell, Tillie. Bring back Beasley (54mil/4yrs), JMac (11mil/3yrs), Juancho (15mil/3yrs), Martin (8mil/1+3yrs)

KAT/Reid/Tillie
Gordon/Juancho/Vanderbilt
Vassell/Layman/Martin
Besley/Okogie/Murray
DLo/Murray/JMac

Is this team good enough for playoffs in West?

With what pick are we drafting Vassell? I doubt 11 is going to do that trick. I guess if you believe we can get Vassell with 11 this might make some sense.

[KGdaBom]

1 and James Johnson for Dejounte Murray and 11?

I think the Spurs would have to add much more. The #11 isn’t that valuable, and Murray is getting paid.

And of course, I don’t see how you could get it to work under the CBA.

Agreed. He has us drafting Vassell at 11. If he really believes that could happen the trade makes a little sense. Trading Edwards, Ball, or Wiseman for Murray and Vassell.

[Baseline81]

1 and James Johnson for Dejounte Murray and 11?

Why would Minny want Murray?

[minimus]

1 and James Johnson for Dejounte Murray and 11?

I like this trade. His extension 70mil/4yrs starts in 2020/21, which will give us 4 full yrs of development. He is a All-NBA devensive team material.

Considering KAT rumors.

First trade: #1, Culver, Spellman for Murray, #11
Second trade: #17, JJ, Evans for Aaron Gordon

Draft Vassell, Tillie. Bring back Beasley (54mil/4yrs), JMac (11mil/3yrs), Juancho (15mil/3yrs), Martin (8mil/1+3yrs)

KAT/Reid/Tillie
Gordon/Juancho/Vanderbilt
Vassell/Layman/Martin
Besley/Okogie/Murray
DLo/Murray/JMac

Is this team good enough for playoffs in West?

With what pick are we drafting Vassell? I doubt 11 is going to do that trick. I guess if you believe we can get Vassell with 11 this might make some sense.

I think Vassell stock will depend on his workouts with teams, interviews, measurements, and draft combine tests. I can see him drafted in 6-12 range. I laso would not be upset if we get Saddiq Bey/Aaron Nesmith/Patrick Williams at 11.

KAT/Reid/Tillie
Gordon/Juancho/Vanderbilt
Layman/Bey/Martin
Besley/Okogie/Murray
DLo/Murray/JMac

This will work for me as well.

[minimus]

1 and James Johnson for Dejounte Murray and 11?

Why would Minny want Murray?

Young, athletic combo-guard, with elite defensive potential, aggressive slasher, improving shooter. Would impact the game as a secondary ballhandler, backup PG/SG. On a 4yrs contract. If he avoids injures might end up as a bargain. Marcus Smart type of role player.

[KGdaBom]

1 and James Johnson for Dejounte Murray and 11?

Why would Minny want Murray?

He's a very good defensive guard. He could definitely play with Russell. His rebounding from the guard position is through the roof.

[KGdaBom]

I like this trade. His extension 70mil/4yrs starts in 2020/21, which will give us 4 full yrs of development. He is a All-NBA devensive team material.

Considering KAT rumors.

First trade: #1, Culver, Spellman for Murray, #11
Second trade: #17, JJ, Evans for Aaron Gordon

Draft Vassell, Tillie. Bring back Beasley (54mil/4yrs), JMac (11mil/3yrs), Juancho (15mil/3yrs), Martin (8mil/1+3yrs)

KAT/Reid/Tillie
Gordon/Juancho/Vanderbilt
Vassell/Layman/Martin
Besley/Okogie/Murray
DLo/Murray/JMac

Is this team good enough for playoffs in West?

With what pick are we drafting Vassell? I doubt 11 is going to do that trick. I guess if you believe we can get Vassell with 11 this might make some sense.

I think Vassell stock will depend on his workouts with teams, interviews, measurements, and draft combine tests. I can see him drafted in 6-12 range. I laso would not be upset if we get Saddiq Bey/Aaron Nesmith/Patrick Williams at 11.

KAT/Reid/Tillie
Gordon/Juancho/Vanderbilt
Layman/Bey/Martin
Besley/Okogie/Murray
DLo/Murray/JMac

This will work for me as well.

I think Vasell would possibly be worth it, but you admit it's very unlikely to happen. The other players you mention I don't see being worth the drop.

[Baseline81]

Young, athletic combo-guard, with elite defensive potential, aggressive slasher, improving shooter. Would impact the game as a secondary ballhandler, backup PG/SG. On a 4yrs contract. If he avoids injures might end up as a bargain. Marcus Smart type of role player.

I understand all of that. I was questioning why the Wolves would make the centerpiece of the first overall pick around a backup to Russell.

[minimus]

With what pick are we drafting Vassell? I doubt 11 is going to do that trick. I guess if you believe we can get Vassell with 11 this might make some sense.

I think Vassell stock will depend on his workouts with teams, interviews, measurements, and draft combine tests. I can see him drafted in 6-12 range. I laso would not be upset if we get Saddiq Bey/Aaron Nesmith/Patrick Williams at 11.

KAT/Reid/Tillie
Gordon/Juancho/Vanderbilt
Layman/Bey/Martin
Besley/Okogie/Murray
DLo/Murray/JMac

This will work for me as well.

I think Vasell would possibly be worth it, but you admit it's very unlikely to happen. The other players you mention I don't see being worth the drop.

Yes, it is a kind of weird situation where we have to choose between the highest potential (Wiseman, Edwards, Ball) and safe choice (Murray + Vassell/Bey/Nesmith)

But I think this guy is worth a drop.

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[minimus]

Young, athletic combo-guard, with elite defensive potential, aggressive slasher, improving shooter. Would impact the game as a secondary ballhandler, backup PG/SG. On a 4yrs contract. If he avoids injures might end up as a bargain. Marcus Smart type of role player.

I understand all of that. I was questioning why the Wolves would make the centerpiece of the first overall pick around a backup to Russell.

Many teams use three guards lineups, two PGs lineups, quality 6th man etc. I don't think it will be an issue.

[UnFadeable21]

According to Forbes' Sean Deveney, one eastern conference executive sees Gordon on the move and soon:

They were really trying to deal him before the deadline, but they weren't getting the assets back they wanted. It will be easier to move that contract when it's only got two years left. He's probably the most likely big name to be traded. He's a good gamble—he is only 24.
Gordon is making roughly $34 million over the final two years of his contract, which is a reasonable deal considering his production.

However, some teams are slightly concerned with Gordon's drop in points per game as he's gone from 17.6 to 16 to last year averaging 14.4 ppg. Option 1, no, but Gordon suits up as a perfect compliment to round out a big 3.

So keep an eye on the T-Wolves as they try to put together a young-dominant big-3. KAT and D'Angelo Russell could soon have a new running mate...

Would Magic Fans accept a trade of Timberwolves send 1st round pick #17, expiring James Johnson 16 million, and former first round picks Omari Spellman and Jacob Evans for Aaron Gordon.

This gives the Magic two first round picks, 15 and 17 which they can use to get into the top 10 or stay and draft two rookies of their choice where many draft experts say in the strength of the draft class. James Johnson’s money comes off after 1 season for 2021 Big free agency class. Spellman and Evans, both first round pick draft players are on their rookie contracts and can be opted out of after one season if they don’t workout in 2020 season.

Jonathon Isaac is out for the entire 2020 season and Magic can tank one year, free up a bunch of cap and collect assets for 2021 draft and free agency.

For the Timberwolves, this gives you a rebounding, defending power forward next to KAT who can finish at the rim and in the dunkers spot. He doesn’t need plays called for him. He can cut to the hoop or fast break. He averaged 14ppg, 8 rebs, 3 ast. Shot 35% from 3 last season. He would play the Jerami Grant role for the Wolves.

[shrink]

I love Jerami Grant’s fit next to KAT. The Trade Board estimates that Grant will get an offer starting between $13-15 mil, so that excedes anything we could offer with the non-tax payer MLE.

I spun a three-way trade a few days ago where we get Aaron Gordon, and deal him for Grant.

Another option that spares our #17 is:

MIN GIVES: Johnson
GSW GIVES: nothing (top 55 protected 2nd) Johnson absorbed in the Iguodala TPE)

GSW does this because the CBA limits who they can get with that TPE to $17 mil. Much better players are around at $18-23, so they can use Johnson’s salary to raise the limit, $16 mil x125% + $100,000 = $20.1 mil.

Then

MIN GIVES: Okogie
MIN GETS: Jerami Grant (sign and trade)

I like Okogie, but the #17 may be more useful, especially if we draft Ball or Edwards, and want to keep giving Culver minutes. Josh is in his third year, so #17 gives us more team control at a lower cost, with two max deals, and two over the MLE. Moreover, Okogie’s defense would be very useful next to Murray with DEN’s playoff ambitions next year.

[minimus]

Also given this year top3 draft prospects, Wiseman, Ball and Edwards, whoever we will draft at 1 will a) overlap position with current players b) cost us 8mil in first year

IMO Murray would tank as top5 pick of this year. So it is basically trade from top3 to top5 + #11 pick.