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Fotis St · Post #661 » by **Fotis St** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:29 pm

I think the best player Warriors can get for Wiggins, #2 is Khris

Assume that both Wiggins and #2 are used at follow up (probably different) trades

Is it fair value for you ?

In this scenario ... he have failed to acquire any player like CP3, LaVine with Bledsoe as the main piece, and we are stucked and can't upgrade our backcourt.

What follow up trades do you suggest ?

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #662 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:41 pm

Fotis St wrote:I think the best player Warriors can get for Wiggins, #2 is Khris

Assume that both Wiggins and #2 are used at follow up (probably different) trades

Is it fair value for you ?

In this scenario ... he have failed to acquire any player like CP3, LaVine with Bledsoe as the main piece, and we are stucked and can't upgrade our backcourt.

What follow up trades do you suggest ?

Basically every post I have on here is: if Giannis is ok and willing to sign long-term, sure i'll do whatever he prefers. Giannis is still super young. Clean up our cap a bit by getting rid of Midds, pairing him with your choice of Edwards, Wiseman and Ball for the next ten years will be nice.

jakecronus8 · Post #663 » by **jakecronus8** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:49 pm

The top of this draft is not great. If we could work something to also get that minnesota pick in the deal from Golden state as well I’d consider it. Next year there’s probably double digit guys I’d take #1 over this years class.

As far as this year, it would be between Hayes and ball if we somehow got a top pick. Ball is flashier and probably has a higher upside. The pedigree concerns me. Hayes looks more well rounded but the Bucks have been pretty terrible as far as developing shooters.

Ron Swanson · Post #664 » by **Ron Swanson** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:04 pm

I don't think there are many situations that would force Giannis to seriously think about leaving Milwaukee, but jettisoning Middleton for a draft pick(s) of any sort is easily one of them. Unless you're re-routing that pick and getting CP3 plus another fringe-All-Star wing, then that's about the easiest "hell no" in the world for me, Bob. That's a move you make only after he signs a multi-year extension, not before.

vollbc74 · Post #665 » by **vollbc74** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:23 pm

MKE Out: Bledsoe, DDV, & #24
MKE In: Lavine & Kornet

CHI Out: Lavine & Kornet
CHI In: Gordon & DDV

ORL Out: Gordon
ORL In: Bledsoe & #24

Thoughts?

Fotis St · Post #666 » by **Fotis St** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:48 pm

vollbc74 wrote:MKE Out: Bledsoe, DDV, & #24
MKE In: Lavine & Kornet

CHI Out: Lavine & Kornet
CHI In: Gordon & DDV

ORL Out: Gordon
ORL In: Bledsoe & #24

Thoughts?

I really like this one , I have posted the exact same outcome&income for us BUT you correctly added a 3rd team to get a young player to the Bulls instead of Bledsoe... I am not sure how Hammond sees this ... Also I am not sure why the Bulls would trade a red apple with a green apple... I think one more pick as income for the Bulls is required there.

Your thought process is correct.
I have been thinking about Wiggins as the 3rd team piece to get LaVine.

How can we get Wiggins without Khris in the trade ? Although I don't want to , I believe Warriors start talking only if Brook is included.
Something like
Brook + Bled / G. Hill for Wiggins

Then we follow up a trade with
Wiggins +DDV + #24 for Lavine+Kornet

MKE_Beers · Post #667 » by **MKE_Beers** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:55 pm

What about something like this to land up Beal? Feels reasonable for all sides. Maybe a future 1st to the Warriors?

https://tradenba.com/trades/5R2I-sSYK

MKE out: Bled, Brook, 2020 1st (Ind)
MKE in: Beal

Orl out: Fornier, 2020 1st
Orl in: Bled

GldSt out: #2 pick, Wiggins
GldSt in: Brook, Fornier

Wash out: Beal
Was in: Wiggins, #2 pick, MKE 2020 1st, Orl 2020 1st

BroncoBuck · Post #668 » by **BroncoBuck** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:58 pm

I really don’t think any teams are interested in Wiggins. He’s the antithesis of Jimmy Butler.

FlagsFlyForever · Post #669 » by **FlagsFlyForever** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:03 pm

emunney wrote:Here it is:

Bucks out: Bledsoe, DJ Wilson
Bucks in: Rubio, Nowell

Suns out: Ayton, Rubio
Suns in: KAT

Wolves out: KAT, Nowell
Wolves in: Ayton, Bledsoe, DJ Wilson

I've always been a big Rubio fan but we're going to run into the same spacing issues that drives everybody crazy with Bledsoe.

Chuck Diesel · Post #670 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:05 pm

ElPeregrino wrote:
emunney wrote:Here it is:

Bucks out: Bledsoe, DJ Wilson
Bucks in: Rubio, Nowell

Suns out: Ayton, Rubio
Suns in: KAT

Wolves out: KAT, Nowell
Wolves in: Ayton, Bledsoe, DJ Wilson

I've always been a big Rubio fan but we're going to run into the same spacing issues that drives everybody crazy with Bledsoe.

But not the same mental issues.

WRau1 · Post #671 » by **WRau1** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:13 pm

If we're offering up packages that include Brook and Bledsoe, go get PG13.

MKE_Beers · Post #672 » by **MKE_Beers** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:13 pm

BroncoBuck wrote:I really don’t think any teams are interested in Wiggins. He’s the antithesis of Jimmy Butler.

He is a decent player on a bad contract. That's why Wash gets 3 picks for taking him on and trading beal. Hoping they feel like thats enough.

emunney · Post #673 » by **emunney** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:17 pm

ElPeregrino wrote:
emunney wrote:Here it is:

Bucks out: Bledsoe, DJ Wilson
Bucks in: Rubio, Nowell

Suns out: Ayton, Rubio
Suns in: KAT

Wolves out: KAT, Nowell
Wolves in: Ayton, Bledsoe, DJ Wilson

I've always been a big Rubio fan but we're going to run into the same spacing issues that drives everybody crazy with Bledsoe.

Might be a wash in that way, but that is not the biggest issue with Bledsoe.

Ron Swanson · Post #674 » by **Ron Swanson** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:23 pm

I still think that Paul George is a damn near perfect fit with Giannis, but I'm amazed that no one's really talking about all the mental stuff with him, considering that's pretty much the main reason we want to move on from Bledsoe. And that's not even getting into the idea that he only wants to be in LA.

emunney · Post #675 » by **emunney** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:32 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I still think that Paul George is a damn near perfect fit with Giannis, but I'm amazed that no one's really talking about all the mental stuff with him, considering that's pretty much the main reason we want to move on from Bledsoe. And that's not even getting into the idea that he only wants to be in LA.

Also the fact that Kawhi agreed to sign in LA contingent on PG being there. He was recruited by Kawhi. Considering Kawhi's game 7 performance, I doubt he's doing a lot of finger pointing.

FlagsFlyForever · Post #676 » by **FlagsFlyForever** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:38 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote:
ElPeregrino wrote:
emunney wrote:Here it is:

Bucks out: Bledsoe, DJ Wilson
Bucks in: Rubio, Nowell

Suns out: Ayton, Rubio
Suns in: KAT

Wolves out: KAT, Nowell
Wolves in: Ayton, Bledsoe, DJ Wilson

I've always been a big Rubio fan but we're going to run into the same spacing issues that drives everybody crazy with Bledsoe.

But not the same mental issues.

I believe talented players can overcome this. Many players have been saddled with the label that they can't perform in the playoffs and it rarely seems to correlate to future playoff performance. Kyle Lowry was once considered the biggest playoff no-show in the league until he suddenly wasn't. Bledsoe has shown he can play well in the playoffs during his first two series with the Bucks and also when he was with the Clippers.

Bucksfan28 · Post #677 » by **Bucksfan28** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:38 pm

MKE_Beers wrote:What about something like this to land up Beal? Feels reasonable for all sides. Maybe a future 1st to the Warriors?

https://tradenba.com/trades/5R2I-sSYK

MKE out: Bled, Brook, 2020 1st (Ind)
MKE in: Beal

Orl out: Fornier, 2020 1st
Orl in: Bled

GldSt out: #2 pick, Wiggins
GldSt in: Brook, Fornier

Wash out: Beal
Was in: Wiggins, #2 pick, MKE 2020 1st, Orl 2020 1st

Spicy. I think you could even take Orlando's 1st out of this.

Warriors Analyst · Post #678 » by **Warriors Analyst** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:58 pm

Daver wrote:If westbrook is available would this board want the bucks to trade for him.
Hes that more athletic guy you need just curious on the thoughts.
You might be able to get him for less than paul

Giannis and Westbrook would be a disaster together. Westbrook wouldn't defer to Giannis, teams would pack the paint against them. It would be unwatchable and pretty much this entire board would be driven to the point of a mental breakdown watching a Russ Bucks team.

Fotis St · Post #679 » by **Fotis St** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:06 pm

Pick ups UFAs :
C Isaiah Hartenstein
PG Jerian Grant (GLeague Was - 5th in GLeague at 3P% 43.5 1.6/3.8)
Buy a 2nd or pickup undrafted Sam Merrill
MLE: Saric

Post #680 » by **Prez** » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:38 pm

ElPeregrino wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:
ElPeregrino wrote:I've always been a big Rubio fan but we're going to run into the same spacing issues that drives everybody crazy with Bledsoe.

But not the same mental issues.

I believe talented players can overcome this. Many players have been saddled with the label that they can't perform in the playoffs and it rarely seems to correlate to future playoff performance. Kyle Lowry was once considered the biggest playoff no-show in the league until he suddenly wasn't. Bledsoe has shown he can play well in the playoffs during his first two series with the Bucks and also when he was with the Clippers.

He has crapped himself in 3 straight postseasons. I like Bled and have defended him a lot here but at some point you have to acknowledge he doesn’t have it and move on. Also his Clippers runs were 8 years ago when he was a totally different level athlete and had a totally different role as a 15-17mpg backup.

And to the Lowry comp, Lowry is at least a high IQ player/decision maker and isn’t a spacing liability. Even when he wasn’t scoring, he could still really impact games.