2020 NBA Draft Thread

[Bleeding Green]

Pokusevski is the perfect guy to let some other team develop and then you just trade for him for peanuts in three years.

[darylbe]

Yah, I still keep coming back to Poku. I dont give a hoot that his frame is narrow and hes too skiny— theres only so many 7 footers on the planet with his combination of fluidity and BBIQ. I’d rather strike out on a guy like that then hit a double with the next Olynyk.

Unfortunately Danny isn't taking that risk. He's rather take some loser wing that has had multiple surgeries at a high pick (14) than risk a 40 something on a skinny center. Was it bc the injury bol bol had? How many times did he pass on him? Isn't that the exact player you're talking about?

He doesn't put value at C, prefers playing undersized, and it bites us in the ass repeatedly. I don't get it .

[djFan71]

Everyone thinks Ainge is trash at drafting AND wants him to trade all his picks so he only gets one shot. Hard to parse that logic.

Trade up for obvious hall of fame talent like Doncic when Phoenix, Sacramento and Atlanta blunder their franchises away, but otherwise nah. Trade down and get as many swings as possible.

I lean that way in general. Then get enamored with a guy and want to trade up, lol.

Our current scenario is pretty unique though, so many rookies already and 4 more picks. I'm ok using a lower one to make sure we get the right guy. We'd still get 3 swings at it.

I guess I don't have an issue with having lots of young players that the team controls. They're all positive trade assets at worst. Give me some crappy euro stash instead of wasting the 30th pick to move up 3 spots in a flat draft.

Eventually they lose value, though, right? Edwards & Romeo are worth less this year than last since they didn't play and have one less year of control. And now you're throwing 3-4 more guys on top of that with no new PT available. I don't know that you can say 6-7 rooks/sophs half of who sit on the bench all year retain value. Other GMs love picks over actual players. Once you drive pick 30 off the lot it loses value. Then if the guy doesn't play for 2-3 years it's gonna be tough to recoup anything for a 30 pick with barely any experience and only 1 year of control left.

Obviously, you have to be pretty sure to use it to move up and historically trade ups have been horrendous moves. But, in some scenarios it can pay off.

[darylbe]

Yah, I still keep coming back to Poku. I dont give a hoot that his frame is narrow and hes too skiny— theres only so many 7 footers on the planet with his combination of fluidity and BBIQ. I’d rather strike out on a guy like that then hit a double with the next Olynyk.

Unfortunately Danny isn't taking that risk. He's rather take some loser wing that has had multiple surgeries at a high pick (14) than risk a 40 something on a skinny center. Was it bc the injury bol bol had? How many times did he pass on him? Isn't that the exact player you're talking about?

He doesn't put value at C, prefers playing undersized, and it bites us in the ass repeatedly. I don't get it

But I'd agree. I'd take a skinny true center, not worry about strength, that can hit a 3. It clears the lane so we don't have the stupid crap under the rim. .

[Bleeding Green]

I lean that way in general. Then get enamored with a guy and want to trade up, lol.

Our current scenario is pretty unique though, so many rookies already and 4 more picks. I'm ok using a lower one to make sure we get the right guy. We'd still get 3 swings at it.

I guess I don't have an issue with having lots of young players that the team controls. They're all positive trade assets at worst. Give me some crappy euro stash instead of wasting the 30th pick to move up 3 spots in a flat draft.

Eventually they lose value, though, right? Edwards & Romeo are worth less this year than last since they didn't play and have one less year of control. And now you're throwing 3-4 more guys on top of that with no new PT available. I don't know that you can say 6-7 rooks/sophs half of who sit on the bench all year retain value. Other GMs love picks over actual players. Once you drive pick 30 off the lot it loses value. Then if the guy doesn't play for 2-3 years it's gonna be tough to recoup anything for a 30 pick with barely any experience and only 1 year of control left.

Obviously, you have to be pretty sure to use it to move up and historically trade ups have been horrendous moves. But, in some scenarios it can pay off.

I guess if everyone just sits on the bench and never plays that's the issue. They do need a consolidation trade or two for sure this season or next, but just have to wait for the next star who wants out.

I see a lot more PT available with Wanamaker, Semi, Kanter (3500 minutes this season) likely all gone this season. Room for Langford, Edwards, Waters and both Williams to move up into the rotation, and if they prove to be good players, you can give Tatum/Brown/Smart/Walker more days off/fewer minutes per game. Theis, too; I'm sure they'd love to run Theis/Williams/Williams out there for 16 high quality minutes per game. My ideal future Celtics team runs hockey rotations and no one averages over 30 minutes a game.

[djFan71]

I guess I don't have an issue with having lots of young players that the team controls. They're all positive trade assets at worst. Give me some crappy euro stash instead of wasting the 30th pick to move up 3 spots in a flat draft.

Eventually they lose value, though, right? Edwards & Romeo are worth less this year than last since they didn't play and have one less year of control. And now you're throwing 3-4 more guys on top of that with no new PT available. I don't know that you can say 6-7 rooks/sophs half of who sit on the bench all year retain value. Other GMs love picks over actual players. Once you drive pick 30 off the lot it loses value. Then if the guy doesn't play for 2-3 years it's gonna be tough to recoup anything for a 30 pick with barely any experience and only 1 year of control left.

Obviously, you have to be pretty sure to use it to move up and historically trade ups have been horrendous moves. But, in some scenarios it can pay off.

I guess if everyone just sits on the bench and never plays that's the issue. They do need a consolidation trade or two for sure this season or next, but just have to wait for the next star who wants out.

I see a lot more PT available with Wanamaker, Semi, Kanter (3500 minutes this season) likely all gone this season. Room for Langford, Edwards, Waters and both Williams to move up into the rotation, and if they prove to be good players, you can give Tatum/Brown/Smart/Walker more days off/fewer minutes per game. Theis, too; I'm sure they'd love to run Theis/Williams/Williams out there for 16 high quality minutes per game.

True, I didn't take Wanamaker/Semi leaving into account. Kanter may or may not be around. You're still jamming 6-8 picks into a couple slots, so yeah, you need some sort of trade at some point to maximize the asset value.

[100proof]

I dont see last years picks outside of Grant being worthy of more minutes that someone like Semi got. Tops.

Edwards is hot garbage, send him to Gleague or Dleague, or whatever its called now.

I guess Langford is an upgrade to Semi?

Hopefully this draft Danny actually picks someone worthy of time and effort.

[Bleeding Green]

Damn you're really down on guys after a couple hundred NBA minutes on a team where they have no offensive role. Probably wrote Grant off after his first 25 three points attempts too.

[100proof]

Damn you're really down on guys after a couple hundred NBA minutes on a team where they have no offensive role. Probably wrote Grant off after his first 25 three points attempts too.

I likied the Grant pick.

Sucked that he was undersized, but dude is a brute. Fine for where he was picked.
Edwards I was screaming for Fernando or Gafford. Also liked Okpala, but he went earlier.

Hated HAted HAted the Langford pick..

I liked NAW, Bitadze, Doumbouya and Keldon Johnson.

Keldon looking like he might be a beast. Bitadze looking really intriguing as well.

[Bleeding Green]

I guess all those guys have been pretty **** so far save for KJ, who played 300 minutes, and Gafford. We'll see who ends up being any good. I wouldn't give up on any of them. People would be absolutely killing NAW, Bitadze, Doumbouya, Okpala right now if they watched them put up their rookie campaign on the Celtics. Rookies are almost universally bad NBA players. Even guys like Herro, GrantWill, Thybulle didn't really have a positive impact in the regular season and I'd say they're all good players who will have good, long careers.

[AgentGreen]

Yah, I still keep coming back to Poku. I dont give a hoot that his frame is narrow and hes too skiny— theres only so many 7 footers on the planet with his combination of fluidity and BBIQ. I’d rather strike out on a guy like that then hit a double with the next Olynyk.

Very intriguing prospect. High risk high reward type of pick.

[100proof]

I guess all those guys have been pretty **** so far save for KJ, who played 300 minutes, and Gafford. We'll see who ends up being any good. I wouldn't give up on any of them. People would be absolutely killing NAW, Bitadze, Doumbouya, Okpala right now if they watched them put up their rookie campaign on the Celtics. Rookies are almost universally bad NBA players. Even guys like Herro, GrantWill, Thybulle didn't really have a positive impact in the regular season and I'd say they're all good players who will have good, long careers.

Goga would have gotten 10-15 plus a night here. Probably would NOT have brought in Kanter if we had drafted him. And when Given minutes he is producing. Blocking shots, hitting threes, rebounding, and shwing court awareness for passing.

He had the potential of a poor man Jokic all along.

Doumbouya and Okpala I was interested in at the GrantW pick. Dont hit a homer on all swings, but I wouldnt be surprised if Doumbouya improved dramatically.

And NAW is burried and still showing better than Romeo in shooting, passing, equal, imo, defensively.

[Bleeding Green]

Yeah Goga and his 9 minutes a game on a much worse team is going to play in Boston for more minutes. Sure. Hitting threes? lmao Rebounding? Sure, better than GWIll, but subpar for a big. Yeah I'm sure we all saw the amazing court awareness in the 9 minutes a game he played. All 23 assists just jump off the screen at you despite the 28 turnovers. Stop trolling, none of these players would have gotten any minutes on the Celtics and none of them had good rookie campaigns.

NAW was terrible this year, dunno what to tell you. Which is fine, he was on a bad team that could play him some minutes. Would have gotten the Carsen Edwards minutes here. Maybe he'll be good in the future, though.

Hopefully Doumbouya improves dramatically, he was ghastly. Can't be much worse unless you're Jordan Poole.

[100proof]

Yeah Goga and his 9 minutes a game on a much worse team is going to play in Boston for more minutes. Sure. Hitting threes? lmao Rebounding? Sure, better than GWIll, but subpar for a big. Yeah I'm sure we all saw the amazing court awareness in the 9 minutes a game he played. All 23 assists just jump off the screen at you despite the 28 turnovers. Stop trolling, none of these players would have gotten any minutes on the Celtics and none of them had good rookie campaigns.

NAW was terrible this year, dunno what to tell you. Which is fine, he was on a bad team that could play him some minutes. Would have gotten the Carsen Edwards minutes here. Maybe he'll be good in the future, though.

Hopefully Doumbouya improves dramatically, he was ghastly. Can't be much worse unless you're Jordan Poole.

Did you watch any of Indiana games?
And Naw has shown better than romeo.

Romeo was putrid. Naw shot better, stayed healthy, defended as well and handled the ball better. Notuch to debate there imo


Perhaps romeo doesnt suck in the future, hope so. Not holding my breath on it though, but an 8th or 9th man someday would be nice if he gets there.

Cannot shoot, ok defender on an awesome defensive team, not particularly quick, not a willing passer. But he is from indiana!

I guess we will just agree to disagree.

[Bleeding Green]

Yeah we're gonna disagree on that one. The both had horrible rookie seasons, if you want to argue one way or the other on who sucked less, NAW or Langford, go for it. Both sucked.

[BillTheGOAT]

Spoiler:

FYI from the consensus draft thread on the draft forum. No real shockers. Sac is on the clock now. Picks so far:

1. Minnesota: Anthony Edwards
2. Golden State: James Wiseman
3. Charlotte: LaMelo Ball
4. Chicago: Deni Avdija
5. Cleveland: Obi Toppin
6. Atlanta: Isaac Okoro
7. Detroit: Killian Hayes
8. New York: Tyrese Haliburton
9. Washington: Onyeka Okongwu
10. Phoenix: Devin Vassell
11. San Antonio: Patrick Williams

Will get blown up in real life at #2.

MJ is not going to pick Lavars son after the latter trash talked MJ, take that to the bank.

I'm just the messenger here, lol. I don't see Wiseman going 2nd either.
CHA could trade out if they don't want Ball. 8 & future first or something.

I was referring to that draft board

[snowman]

Guys, this league is a wing league. The top 24 scorers in the regular season are all wings except Giannis and Davis. We have 2 good ones Hayward and Smart and 2 REALLY good ones in Tatum and Brown. Unless there is a Davis or Giannis in this draft we had best go for the best wings we can get. I also don't see the need to trade up in a draft that # 14 could be just as good or better than #4. How many times did you say to yourself this season "Why can't we have a knocked down shooter off the bench?" Now is the time. Hell, I'd take both of them if they are available.

S. Bey or A. Nesmith is the way to go. Both shot over 45 % from 3 last season in college. Prefer Bey first though. Go get 'em Danny.

[Celts17Pride]

Guys, this league is a wing league. The top 24 scorers in the regular season are all wings except Giannis and Davis. We have 2 good ones Hayward and Smart and 2 REALLY good ones in Tatum and Brown. Unless there is a Davis or Giannis in this draft we had best go for the best wings we can get. I also don't see the need to trade up in a draft that # 14 could be just as good or better than #4. How many times did you say to yourself this season "Why can't we have a knocked down shooter off the bench?" Now is the time. Hell, I'd take both of them if they are available.

S. Bey or A. Nesmith is the way to go. Both shot over 45 % from 3 last season in college. Prefer Bey first though. Go get 'em Danny.

Don’t disagree but a point guard with high potential isn’t bad either. Kemba is small and older. Need to start the grooming of the next point guard soon. Also a quality point guard is so much help for the 2nd unit. I like Kira Lewis Jr.

Would not be disappointed if Ainge selected another quality wing though

[playa-hater]

Guys, this league is a wing league. The top 24 scorers in the regular season are all wings except Giannis and Davis. We have 2 good ones Hayward and Smart and 2 REALLY good ones in Tatum and Brown. Unless there is a Davis or Giannis in this draft we had best go for the best wings we can get. I also don't see the need to trade up in a draft that # 14 could be just as good or better than #4. How many times did you say to yourself this season "Why can't we have a knocked down shooter off the bench?" Now is the time. Hell, I'd take both of them if they are available.

S. Bey or A. Nesmith is the way to go. Both shot over 45 % from 3 last season in college. Prefer Bey first though. Go get 'em Danny.

me and you brother..

I do also want a center who can knock down some 3s. Especially with personnel and Stevens system, But a prime wing player at 14 is a must for me.. after that though there are some decent choices..

[Celts17Pride]

Guys, this league is a wing league. The top 24 scorers in the regular season are all wings except Giannis and Davis. We have 2 good ones Hayward and Smart and 2 REALLY good ones in Tatum and Brown. Unless there is a Davis or Giannis in this draft we had best go for the best wings we can get. I also don't see the need to trade up in a draft that # 14 could be just as good or better than #4. How many times did you say to yourself this season "Why can't we have a knocked down shooter off the bench?" Now is the time. Hell, I'd take both of them if they are available.

S. Bey or A. Nesmith is the way to go. Both shot over 45 % from 3 last season in college. Prefer Bey first though. Go get 'em Danny.

me and you brother..

I do also want a center who can knock down some 3s. Especially with personnel and Stevens system, But a prime wing player at 14 is a must for me.. after that though there are some decent choices..

Ainge can get some bigs with 26 and 30 that could provide help. NBA is a wings league like snowman said