Political Roundtable Part XXIX

[Ruzious]

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That's hilarious. I looked up pyrrhic victory in the dictionary, and there's a picture of the ol Tucker.

Maybe a new “reasonable viewer” standard is called for, because I don’t think TV news viewers question much on their chosen channel. Or maybe a more novel legal argument: a conspiracy wherein the willfully libelous media outlet supplies the willfully ignorant viewers with stock libel/slander for further dissemination.

True. But I gotta wonder how the other Fox hosts are taking this - Their employer just argued that no "reasonable viewer" takes Tucker Carlson seriously, and he's at the high end of their hosts. They know now that their boss doesn't consider them as newspeople; they're strictly entertainers. And they can't argue otherwise anymore... though I'm not sure how anyone considers Tucker Carlson entertaining.

[montestewart]

That's hilarious. I looked up pyrrhic victory in the dictionary, and there's a picture of the ol Tucker.

Maybe a new “reasonable viewer” standard is called for, because I don’t think TV news viewers question much on their chosen channel. Or maybe a more novel legal argument: a conspiracy wherein the willfully libelous media outlet supplies the willfully ignorant viewers with stock libel/slander for further dissemination.

True. But I gotta wonder how the other Fox hosts are taking this - Their employer just argued that no "reasonable viewer" takes Tucker Carlson seriously, and he's at the high end of their hosts. They know now that their boss doesn't consider them as newspeople; they're strictly entertainers. And they can't argue otherwise anymore... though I'm not sure how anyone considers Tucker Carlson entertaining.

It's entertaining to have your confirmation bias continually reinforced. It's like you're Trump and Fox News is your own personal White House staff. You are so smart, even Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson agree with you.

[Ruzious]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trumps-health-care-sham-154334003.html
Nearly 4 years in office, and he still doesn't understand how laws get passed through Congress. All he does are Executive Orders. He really is that big a dope.

[pancakes3]

water's wet

[Zonkerbl]

That's weird. I read Ayn Rand's Fountainhead and thought it was an interesting little story about the history of modernism in architecture. It didn't turn me into a sociopathic ahole. Think there may be more going on there than just having read the wrong book.

My mother was an Objectivist, owned what I'm guessing was all of Rand's writings (along with those of fellow travelers/acolytes), including obscure newsletters and even lectures recorded on albums and reel-to-reel tapes. She saw Rand and other Objectivists speak, and went to a weekly Objectivist meeting.

I had never read any of those things, they looked so dense and dull. Finally, out of curiosity, I picked Anthem, which looked like the shortest. So corny, so simplistic, such bland writing, and all that pap in a dystopian story? Interest in Rand's philosophy was propped up by the popularity of her fiction, and that's her fiction? That was all I needed to know. I was never assigned anything by her in college, and I can watch the movie versions (which are probably better) if I have further curiosity.

Mom abandoned all that during the Reagan administration. Her final word on the subject--not that I asked much--was that there were too many contradictions in Rand's beliefs to make them the actual foundation for a society, or something like that. Mom was smarter than me, and I'm not sure I followed her explanation, but I think watching the Republican party partially incorporate her philosophy and couple it with prude evangelical puritanism and Southern-style bigotry was kind of a shock of recognition for her.

But I still got those Ayn Rand records (Live in Las Vegas, Solid Gold Hits, An Ayn Rand Christmas), and someday some right wingers will pay me a lot for them, along with my "Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine" double album and my "Billy Graham Live at the Tent Rally" (or whatever it's called, Billy Graham looking like Johnny Cash).

Dude!

This is so amazing. I'm literally speechless.

[Zonkerbl]

That's hilarious. I looked up pyrrhic victory in the dictionary, and there's a picture of the ol Tucker.

Maybe a new “reasonable viewer” standard is called for, because I don’t think TV news viewers question much on their chosen channel. Or maybe a more novel legal argument: a conspiracy wherein the willfully libelous media outlet supplies the willfully ignorant viewers with stock libel/slander for further dissemination.

True. But I gotta wonder how the other Fox hosts are taking this - Their employer just argued that no "reasonable viewer" takes Tucker Carlson seriously, and he's at the high end of their hosts. They know now that their boss doesn't consider them as newspeople; they're strictly entertainers. And they can't argue otherwise anymore... though I'm not sure how anyone considers Tucker Carlson entertaining.

Oh please, they all know this.

[montestewart]

Maybe a new “reasonable viewer” standard is called for, because I don’t think TV news viewers question much on their chosen channel. Or maybe a more novel legal argument: a conspiracy wherein the willfully libelous media outlet supplies the willfully ignorant viewers with stock libel/slander for further dissemination.

True. But I gotta wonder how the other Fox hosts are taking this - Their employer just argued that no "reasonable viewer" takes Tucker Carlson seriously, and he's at the high end of their hosts. They know now that their boss doesn't consider them as newspeople; they're strictly entertainers. And they can't argue otherwise anymore... though I'm not sure how anyone considers Tucker Carlson entertaining.

Oh please, they all know this.

One giveaway is when they appear in another television forum, like on the Daily Show, Bill Maher, Tonight Show, etc. they usually drop a lot of the shtick. In many ways, they are captives of their fans’ expectations and the rewards that come with that.

[Ruzious]

True. But I gotta wonder how the other Fox hosts are taking this - Their employer just argued that no "reasonable viewer" takes Tucker Carlson seriously, and he's at the high end of their hosts. They know now that their boss doesn't consider them as newspeople; they're strictly entertainers. And they can't argue otherwise anymore... though I'm not sure how anyone considers Tucker Carlson entertaining.

Oh please, they all know this.

One giveaway is when they appear in another television forum, like on the Daily Show, Bill Maher, Tonight Show, etc. they usually drop a lot of the shtick. In many ways, they are captives of their fans’ expectations and the rewards that come with that.

I think they consider themselves the counterparts of the folks on MSNBC and CNN, and those folks are definitely viewed as news people.

[Pointgod]

Send this to all your Trump loving friends, family and coworkers. Repost this everywhere you can on social media.

This should be the final nail in his coffin.

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[Pointgod]

That's hilarious. I looked up pyrrhic victory in the dictionary, and there's a picture of the ol Tucker.

Maybe a new “reasonable viewer” standard is called for, because I don’t think TV news viewers question much on their chosen channel. Or maybe a more novel legal argument: a conspiracy wherein the willfully libelous media outlet supplies the willfully ignorant viewers with stock libel/slander for further dissemination.

True. But I gotta wonder how the other Fox hosts are taking this - Their employer just argued that no "reasonable viewer" takes Tucker Carlson seriously, and he's at the high end of their hosts. They know now that their boss doesn't consider them as newspeople; they're strictly entertainers. And they can't argue otherwise anymore... though I'm not sure how anyone considers Tucker Carlson entertaining.

You should read some exerts from Brian Stelzer’s book about Fox News. The people at Fox News know they’re full of ****. The people at Fox News hate what their employer does to the country and the stranglehold Trump has on the company. However the money is too good and they’re essentially dead inside to stand up and say anything. Look up the exerts from the book.

[Ruzious]

Maybe a new “reasonable viewer” standard is called for, because I don’t think TV news viewers question much on their chosen channel. Or maybe a more novel legal argument: a conspiracy wherein the willfully libelous media outlet supplies the willfully ignorant viewers with stock libel/slander for further dissemination.

True. But I gotta wonder how the other Fox hosts are taking this - Their employer just argued that no "reasonable viewer" takes Tucker Carlson seriously, and he's at the high end of their hosts. They know now that their boss doesn't consider them as newspeople; they're strictly entertainers. And they can't argue otherwise anymore... though I'm not sure how anyone considers Tucker Carlson entertaining.

You should read some exerts from Brian Stelzer’s book about Fox News. The people at Fox News know they’re full of ****. The people at Fox News hate what their employer does to the country and the stranglehold Fox has on the company. However the money is too good and they’re essentially dead inside to stand up and say anything. Look up the exerts from the book.

I don't doubt that, but how do you think they think they're viewed as?

[Pointgod]

True. But I gotta wonder how the other Fox hosts are taking this - Their employer just argued that no "reasonable viewer" takes Tucker Carlson seriously, and he's at the high end of their hosts. They know now that their boss doesn't consider them as newspeople; they're strictly entertainers. And they can't argue otherwise anymore... though I'm not sure how anyone considers Tucker Carlson entertaining.

You should read some exerts from Brian Stelzer’s book about Fox News. The people at Fox News know they’re full of ****. The people at Fox News hate what their employer does to the country and the stranglehold Fox has on the company. However the money is too good and they’re essentially dead inside to stand up and say anything. Look up the exerts from the book.

I don't doubt that, but how do you think they think they're viewed as?

Well the Tuckers, Ingrahams and Hannitys of the world are definitely hated by other Fox on air “talent”. Remember all these people have egos and management definitely caters to the lowest biggest pieces of trash on air propagandists. These **** get away with a lot. Let’s not forget Laura Ingraham mocked a kid and mass shooting survivor, Sean Hannity’s public feud and bullying of Chris Wallace and Shep Smith and Tucker Carlson’s many sudden vacations after saying something over the top racist. I think at their core they know that they’re all **** peddlers and frauds but I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of the jealously comes from the fact that other hosts would like access to that money.

[dckingsfan]

oops...

[Pointgod]

DCKings this must be some good news for you down in Texas.

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[dobrojim]

DCKings this must be some good news for you down in Texas.

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I may not be completely objective about this but I gotta believe the
majority of these new voters are not jumping on the tRump train,
even in Texas.

[dobrojim]

okay I need to get something off my chest that I heard last night
and left me seething with anger and disgust.

I reached out to a friend I know through music, super nice guy, last
night. He's also into biking. He lost his wife to cancer about a year ago.
So knowing he's into biking I messaged him and suggested we get together
sometime soon and do a ride together even though we don't live super
close to each other. He messaged me right back with enthusiasm for
the idea and mentioned he was currently working/volunteering (politically) in PA
so I told him I admired him for that and that his deceased wife would
have been proud of him. He and his wife have been very politically active on behalf
of progressive causes. He related to me some of what he went through
in the last couple years. He worked in govt and started getting threatening
calls at work from unlisted or blocked numbers from deplorables, no
other word for it, signing off with Trump America! His wife, sick with
cancer, also received some of these calls as well. He sought help from
the local law enforcement and got little so it took his issues up a level
to the State authorities who did help him. Along the way his truck tires
were slashed twice and a bullet hole was put through his car door while
parked in a public lot.

One of his comments to me last night in our text exchange was just
how underappreciated the presence of people like this is in our
country. There is so much more of this out there that people don't
realize. Too many good people afraid to say anything or believe
it could possibly be that bad. It is.

Obviously tRump has given them approval but they have been
there all along. We so desperately need a DoJ that will do more
than the very little that has been done since say McVeigh in OKC.
It's going to be difficult when the police are far too often sympathetic
to people who think like that.

Okay. I feel better after sharing. America, please start healing yourself.

[dckingsfan]

DCKings this must be some good news for you down in Texas.

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Beto, you are frick'in unbelievable...

[AFM]

it's funny because you see a lot of affluent college kids nowadays being lured into the siren song of capitalism being a panacea for all of society's ills when they encounter the concept of supply/demand their freshman year of college, or reddit, or wherever

Ayn Rand usually in some literature class.

Then the fact that they were born relatively wealthy and have not had to suffer much somehow feels like manifest destiny. And fair enough they do their homework and took test prep classes and feel like gosh darn it they worked hard to get into college and work hard in their classes and therefore they earned their right to be superior. They are successful because they deserve to be successful. And life is hard, sink or swim, social darwinism and all that. The strong survive. Instead of recognizing they are incredibly lucky to be born in this hemisphere, in this era, under this political system, with that skin color, etc etc etc. and that society itself has worked really hard to preserve and protect their ignorance and shelter them as they grow, with socialized education, and libraries, and public order, and streets, and there is an underclass supporting them by plucking chickens for them to buy, and driving all night to deliver them to supermarkets, and hauling away the bones in the garbage at the curb.

And that frankly their whole life there has been social largesse for children of the affluent, in expectations of success, in networking or connections or inheritance or parents who have had an easier life that tended to start them at least already on first or second base in life. Instead of outside the fence looking in and wishing they could only get in the game.

But yeah, The Fountainhead seemed to be the gateway to making many insufferable sophomores in the world. Smug and without empathy. Ayn Rand. Needs a warning label.

You can replace Ayn Rand with Ben Shapiro these days. (Really showing your age btw).

Also, I've only voted R once--Ron Paul 2008 primary. I remember he was considered "insane" by the mainstream R's back then. Now look who's in office

[pancakes3]

good point. even at my age - 30, there wasn't accessible on-air talent to propagate right wing rhetoric to me or my peers when we were impressionable 18-24 year olds. what were we going to do - listen to Rush Limbaugh? post 2012, you have turds like shapiro who gave the blueprint to charlie kirk and candace owens et al.

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