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Pointgod wrote:GONYK wrote:?s=19
God damn you beat me to this. Btw something I learned, polls with likely voters are the best vs registered voters.
Stannis wrote:
Yea this makes no sense to me...
I thought it would encourage more democratic voters because they know Biden has to win by a landslide to the SC can't help Trump.
HarthorneWingo wrote:Pointgod wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:
They common theory which I’ve been hearing is that the fearless coronavirus Trump voters will be out and voting in person on Election Day and that the reasonable science believing Democrats will be voting via mail in ballots which will take longer to count. In the meantime, Trump will declare victory on Election night and the next day Trump’s lawyers will be filing legal challenges to all of the mail in ballots in the key states if they haven’t already. The procedures then can get very quirky.
A couple positive things to acknowledge:
1. It says in the constitution that the states administer the elections and I did some research, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada, Minnesota, North Carolina, Maine, New Hampshire, Colorado each have either a Democratic Secretary of State or Democratic Governor and all have both except for New Hampshire and Arizona. The states set the rules and I don’t see how they can be forced to stop the vote count unless maybe the Republican Governors want to ruin their career by throwing Trump an assist. If there’s a candidate to pull this **** it’s definitely Florida but for this scheme to work you have to assume Biden is not winning the in person vote election night.
2. Trump has to have a reasonable path to 270 for him to claim a victory. There’s no way that Trump shows as a clear favorite by midnight on election night. Look at the link below:
https://www.270towin.com/maps/3XjZ6
Even being absolutely generous and assuming Trump is ahead in every state East of Texas except NY, Maine, Illinois and Virginia that still only puts him at 230. I have a hard time believing that he’s going to be that far ahead in practically all the states that Democrats won in 2018 that he can claim a decisive victory election night.
3. Yes more Democrats will vote by mail but there’s a lot of caveats to that. Someone might vote by mail early, some might vote by mail and drop it off at an election office or drop box well before the election. Some states like Florida can start counting mail in votes on Election Day. And this is also ignoring that there’s likely to be huge Democratic turnout which could make the mail in vote a formality rather than pushing a state blue.
I appreciate the warning signs because I think that people need to wake up to the reality that Trump will try and steal the election but voters aren’t helpless in the process. Show up in person, vote early, make sure friends and family are registered, if you’re young volunteer at voting stations. Trump and his people are sloppy, stupid and they’ve telegraphed their plan pretty early because they’re desperate. The best they can do is throw a wrench into the process but it won’t matter if Biden is decisively ahead on election night
I found it. This is what the professor I discussed earlier and this is how deep into the woods the Republicans are going in order to take Pennsylvania.
I’m sure they’re planning similar maneuvers in other states.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/24/opinion/trump-election-2020.html?referringSource=articleShareTrump’s words were all the scarier for coming on the same day as Barton Gellman’s blockbuster Atlantic article about how Trump could subvert the election. The chairman of Pennsylvania’s Republican Party told Gellman, on the record, that he’d spoken to the campaign about bypassing a messy vote count and having the Republican-controlled legislature appoint its own slate of electors. A legal adviser to the Trump campaign said, “There will be a count on election night, that count will shift over time, and the results when the final count is given will be challenged as being inaccurate, fraudulent — pick your word.”
Thirty-two states and D.C. have laws requiring their electors to abide by the outcome of the election.
HarthorneWingo wrote:Here's the emerging strategy concerning RBG's replacement on the Court:
Try and delay the vote until the Lame Duck session after the election and hope that Biden wins big. Maybe that will give the squeamish Republicans like Romney, Collins, Gardner, et al. from confirming the nomination.
Pointgod wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:Here's the emerging strategy concerning RBG's replacement on the Court:
Try and delay the vote until the Lame Duck session after the election and hope that Biden wins big. Maybe that will give the squeamish Republicans like Romney, Collins, Gardner, et al. from confirming the nomination.
The nomination is going through no matter what the Democrats do. Democrats just need to translate the justifiable anger into votes and drives to the polls. And apparently the pic will be Amy Coney Barrett. This is going to turn into a healthcare, abortion rights, Labor rights, climate change and voting rights election.
Could the Pa. GOP bypass the popular vote regardless of who wins? Here’s what we know.
by Angela Couloumbis of Spotlight PA and Cynthia Fernandez, Posted: September 25, 2020
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Pointgod wrote:Send this to all your Trump loving friends, family and coworkers. Repost this everywhere you can on social media.
This should be the final nail in his coffin.
robillionaire wrote:Pointgod wrote:Send this to all your Trump loving friends, family and coworkers. Repost this everywhere you can on social media.
This should be the final nail in his coffin.
they won't care
this was never about the economy
RIP mags
Are We Ther Yet wrote:Jie Biden has dementia people. Got 3rd party unless you want Harris running things. She's nothing more than a donor puppet. The Dem party has lost their minds and the MSM is perpetrating a fraud allowing Joe to hide from the spotlight while pushing a narrative that he is polling well.
The dude is losing his basic faculties.
Are We Ther Yet wrote:Jie Biden has dementia people. Got 3rd party unless you want Harris running things. She's nothing more than a donor puppet. The Dem party has lost their minds and the MSM is perpetrating a fraud allowing Joe to hide from the spotlight while pushing a narrative that he is polling well.
The dude is losing his basic faculties.
Pointgod wrote:Are We Ther Yet wrote:Jie Biden has dementia people. Got 3rd party unless you want Harris running things. She's nothing more than a donor puppet. The Dem party has lost their minds and the MSM is perpetrating a fraud allowing Joe to hide from the spotlight while pushing a narrative that he is polling well.
The dude is losing his basic faculties.
So mods. Do posts like this promote the type of political discussion that you’re looking to promote in this thread? This is a serious question because a lot of these type of posts are let go without a warning.
Pointgod wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:Pointgod wrote:
A couple positive things to acknowledge:
1. It says in the constitution that the states administer the elections and I did some research, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada, Minnesota, North Carolina, Maine, New Hampshire, Colorado each have either a Democratic Secretary of State or Democratic Governor and all have both except for New Hampshire and Arizona. The states set the rules and I don’t see how they can be forced to stop the vote count unless maybe the Republican Governors want to ruin their career by throwing Trump an assist. If there’s a candidate to pull this **** it’s definitely Florida but for this scheme to work you have to assume Biden is not winning the in person vote election night.
2. Trump has to have a reasonable path to 270 for him to claim a victory. There’s no way that Trump shows as a clear favorite by midnight on election night. Look at the link below:
https://www.270towin.com/maps/3XjZ6
Even being absolutely generous and assuming Trump is ahead in every state East of Texas except NY, Maine, Illinois and Virginia that still only puts him at 230. I have a hard time believing that he’s going to be that far ahead in practically all the states that Democrats won in 2018 that he can claim a decisive victory election night.
3. Yes more Democrats will vote by mail but there’s a lot of caveats to that. Someone might vote by mail early, some might vote by mail and drop it off at an election office or drop box well before the election. Some states like Florida can start counting mail in votes on Election Day. And this is also ignoring that there’s likely to be huge Democratic turnout which could make the mail in vote a formality rather than pushing a state blue.
I appreciate the warning signs because I think that people need to wake up to the reality that Trump will try and steal the election but voters aren’t helpless in the process. Show up in person, vote early, make sure friends and family are registered, if you’re young volunteer at voting stations. Trump and his people are sloppy, stupid and they’ve telegraphed their plan pretty early because they’re desperate. The best they can do is throw a wrench into the process but it won’t matter if Biden is decisively ahead on election night
I found it. This is what the professor I discussed earlier and this is how deep into the woods the Republicans are going in order to take Pennsylvania.
I’m sure they’re planning similar maneuvers in other states.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/24/opinion/trump-election-2020.html?referringSource=articleShareTrump’s words were all the scarier for coming on the same day as Barton Gellman’s blockbuster Atlantic article about how Trump could subvert the election. The chairman of Pennsylvania’s Republican Party told Gellman, on the record, that he’d spoken to the campaign about bypassing a messy vote count and having the Republican-controlled legislature appoint its own slate of electors. A legal adviser to the Trump campaign said, “There will be a count on election night, that count will shift over time, and the results when the final count is given will be challenged as being inaccurate, fraudulent — pick your word.”
I read the article and my take on it is that it’s essentially a worst case but not a necessarily plausible scenario. Keep in mind there’s a couple things about this scheme that make it incredibly hard. State legislators have nothing to do with running elections. Secretaries of State and Governors certify elections. Also state elections get an automatic recount if the election is close like less than 1% or .5%. In the case of Pennsylvania they have a Democratic Secretary of State and Democratic Governor. They make the rules and certify the results.
The other thing to remember is that the electors don’t go to announce their votes until December. So the author is talking about a situation where the election results still aren’t known in December and the Pennsylvania State legislature selects electors faithful to Trump. The assumption is that within all the confusion Trump is somehow named the winner. The other assumption is that it comes down to Pennsylvania and Biden hasn’t won through one of his many different paths.
The third thing and the biggest hurdle hear is that there are 38 states that have laws that the electors must elect the popular vote winner. And this was upheld by the Supreme Court 9-0.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/505984-supreme-court-rules-states-can-remove-faithless-electorsThirty-two states and D.C. have laws requiring their electors to abide by the outcome of the election.
Maybe all the swing states fall into the 18 states that don’t have laws that the electors have to select the popular vote winner, but even the for this scheme to work the vote would have to be very close or come down to a few states. And a clear winner wouldn’t be known by December. If it’s that close then Democratic voters have failed because this should not be a close election.
And one last thing regarding the mail in votes as I said mail in voting does not necessarily mean that the ballots won’t get there in time for the election. Stopping the mail in vote would hurt Republican votes as well. Trump is encouraging his supporters to vote by mail, but I digress check this out. It at least validates my theory that mail in voting doesn’t mean the ballots won’t get there by Election Day.
robillionaire wrote:Pointgod wrote:Are We Ther Yet wrote:Jie Biden has dementia people. Got 3rd party unless you want Harris running things. She's nothing more than a donor puppet. The Dem party has lost their minds and the MSM is perpetrating a fraud allowing Joe to hide from the spotlight while pushing a narrative that he is polling well.
The dude is losing his basic faculties.
So mods. Do posts like this promote the type of political discussion that you’re looking to promote in this thread? This is a serious question because a lot of these type of posts are let go without a warning.
what's to be warned about agree with it or not but it's a legitimate topic that even democrat primary opponents brought up in the primary debate and will be focus of attention in the upcoming debate as well
Pointgod wrote:Send this to all your Trump loving friends, family and coworkers. Repost this everywhere you can on social media.
This should be the final nail in his coffin.
come on bro, what they say and what they actually do are 2 different things. These guys love making false promises , we should all know this by now. I am not a Trump supporter either, but he has rolled out a 500 BILLION DOLLAR plan for the black community and designated the KKK and Antifa as a terrorist group. This sounds like the reparations the African Americans has been looking for. Again, what they say and do are 2 different things. I don't support either of these 2, both clowns to me.Papi_swav wrote:Pointgod wrote:Send this to all your Trump loving friends, family and coworkers. Repost this everywhere you can on social media.
This should be the final nail in his coffin.
robillionaire wrote:Pointgod wrote:Are We Ther Yet wrote:Jie Biden has dementia people. Got 3rd party unless you want Harris running things. She's nothing more than a donor puppet. The Dem party has lost their minds and the MSM is perpetrating a fraud allowing Joe to hide from the spotlight while pushing a narrative that he is polling well.
The dude is losing his basic faculties.
So mods. Do posts like this promote the type of political discussion that you’re looking to promote in this thread? This is a serious question because a lot of these type of posts are let go without a warning.
what's to be warned about agree with it or not but it's a legitimate topic that even democrat primary opponents brought up in the primary debate and will be focus of attention in the upcoming debate as well