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Post#2781 » by NotMyKawhi » Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:12 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
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NotMyKawhi wrote:tyler bey is exactly what we need

he's the steal of the draft


Not a bad prospect, just a bit old. He will be 24, which is older than OG and Davis?


He just turned 22 this past February. He has the tools to become one of those guys every team needs/wants like a Robert Covington, Shawn Marion or Jonathan Isaac. Those guys who do a little bit of everything well and compliment your stars perfectly.


22, wow, so old....age is overrated.


guys like Brandon Clarke, eric paschall last year. they fell bc they were 'old' too.
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Post#2782 » by Dalek » Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:20 pm

Major hype video for Terry. Added 20 lbs and 3 inches more vert. Could be a major steal if he drops to 29.

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Post#2783 » by Dalek » Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:23 pm

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Dalek wrote:I am not sure about Hughes as a scoring guard, at least how I would class that role. To me, he does his best work in isolation setting up for a jumpshot. Even though I do see issues with his shot selection at times, he is really skilled at creating his shot on the perimeter.

The big issue with Hughes is that he cannot finish at the rim. He shot only 1.09 points per shot around the rim in the half court [45th percentile] which is terrible considering he has good size as a wing. Toronto needs a guy who can draw fouls and make plays off the dribble. Hughes is more of 3 and D guy with some ball handling capability, which is okay, but I wonder if there are guys who could be a bit better.

A guy like Mason Jones adds much more of a scoring dimension, drawing fouls at a great rate and adds better scoring in transition.

He is athletic and has more tools than say our current SG FVV who is bad at finishing and has lesser tools. His length, shooting, and ball handling indicate he should be a good shot creator at the next level. We wouldn't ask for it right away and that ability can be developed in the Gleague.


I do like Hughes as he has some good tools that could work in the GLeague. I just don't know if he offers anything better or different over Watson and Davis.

My worry is that Toronto keeps loading up on perimeter oriented guys that can't get to the rim. It seems like Toronto's offense stalls out because there are no guys who can get into the paint and collapse a defense. Maybe the draft isn't going to address it.

I would like to draft a pick and roll threat like Winston/Flynn and Nick Richards, or a slasher like Grant Riller who lives in the paint. Even a Jay Scrubb could be intriguing with his ball skills that looks like he can attack the rim.
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Post#2784 » by Indeed » Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:29 pm

NotMyKawhi wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
Indeed wrote:
Not a bad prospect, just a bit old. He will be 24, which is older than OG and Davis?


He just turned 22 this past February. He has the tools to become one of those guys every team needs/wants like a Robert Covington, Shawn Marion or Jonathan Isaac. Those guys who do a little bit of everything well and compliment your stars perfectly.


22, wow, so old....age is overrated.


guys like Brandon Clarke, eric paschall last year. they fell bc they were 'old' too.


Sorry, got mixed up on his age. 22 years old, I guess that is the same as OG and Davis.
His wingspan is longer than Brandon Clarke, and will be similar to Marion or Isaac at 7'1
However, I don't think Bey has a handle nor 3 point shooting, which is the reason he is this low in the draft, I believe.
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Post#2785 » by OGLife » Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:55 am

Has Georgios Kalaitzakis been discussed?
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Post#2786 » by ATLTimekeeper » Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:06 pm

Indeed wrote:
NotMyKawhi wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
He just turned 22 this past February. He has the tools to become one of those guys every team needs/wants like a Robert Covington, Shawn Marion or Jonathan Isaac. Those guys who do a little bit of everything well and compliment your stars perfectly.


22, wow, so old....age is overrated.


guys like Brandon Clarke, eric paschall last year. they fell bc they were 'old' too.


Sorry, got mixed up on his age. 22 years old, I guess that is the same as OG and Davis.
His wingspan is longer than Brandon Clarke, and will be similar to Marion or Isaac at 7'1
However, I don't think Bey has a handle nor 3 point shooting, which is the reason he is this low in the draft, I believe.


Tyler Bey is the kind of player I don't want us to draft. At best I see him as a better rebounding Patrick Patterson role player. I don't see any skill upside with him.
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Post#2787 » by Indeed » Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:55 pm

OGLife wrote:Has Georgios Kalaitzakis been discussed?


Don't think we discussed him. You expecting him to be 2nd round pick? Undrafted?
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Post#2788 » by SurgeIblocka » Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:58 pm

Whoever we get in the draft i want a really good passer with good cutting ability and a decent shot.
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Post#2789 » by Psubs » Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:31 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
Indeed wrote:
NotMyKawhi wrote:
22, wow, so old....age is overrated.


guys like Brandon Clarke, eric paschall last year. they fell bc they were 'old' too.


Sorry, got mixed up on his age. 22 years old, I guess that is the same as OG and Davis.
His wingspan is longer than Brandon Clarke, and will be similar to Marion or Isaac at 7'1
However, I don't think Bey has a handle nor 3 point shooting, which is the reason he is this low in the draft, I believe.


Tyler Bey is the kind of player I don't want us to draft. At best I see him as a better rebounding Patrick Patterson role player. I don't see any skill upside with him.


More like better rebounding Ariza is his ceiling.

OGLife wrote:Has Georgios Kalaitzakis been discussed?


Yes, twice, but things get lost. Option at #59 but likely better players will fall to #59.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1904610&p=82723131&hilit=Kalaitzakis#p82723131
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1904610&p=83518329&hilit=Kalaitzakis#p83518329
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Post#2790 » by HeadtopChunes » Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:46 pm



Freddie Gillespie is a very raptors-y prospect, wouldn’t be suprised if we picked him up at 59 or im UDFA

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Post#2791 » by Kevin Willis » Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:14 pm

Psubs wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:
Indeed wrote:
Sorry, got mixed up on his age. 22 years old, I guess that is the same as OG and Davis.
His wingspan is longer than Brandon Clarke, and will be similar to Marion or Isaac at 7'1
However, I don't think Bey has a handle nor 3 point shooting, which is the reason he is this low in the draft, I believe.


Tyler Bey is the kind of player I don't want us to draft. At best I see him as a better rebounding Patrick Patterson role player. I don't see any skill upside with him.


More like better rebounding Ariza is his ceiling.

OGLife wrote:Has Georgios Kalaitzakis been discussed?


Yes, twice, but things get lost. Option at #59 but likely better players will fall to #59.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1904610&p=82723131&hilit=Kalaitzakis#p82723131
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1904610&p=83518329&hilit=Kalaitzakis#p83518329


He looks better than Rokas based off on video. What do think are his issues for stash and dash option?
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Post#2792 » by Psubs » Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:17 pm

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Freddie Gillespie is a very raptors-y prospect, wouldn’t be suprised if we picked him up at 59 or im UDFA

Elite Defender + High Motor + Big Wingspan + High Character + Unusual Development Arc + cant shoot rn but might later


https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2019/11/08/i-had-no-idea-id-end-up-being-here-freddie-gillespies-path-from-division-iii-to-baylor-starter/

He needs at least 2 years in the 905. He's like Sagaba Konate without outside shooting. Actually he's like the bigger version of Bruno.



Great story but already 23. Though I'd rather just keep paying Boucher the minimum or giving Ellenson a call up.

If going senior big at #59, might gamble on Yoeli Childs, who's ceiling is Paul Millsap.
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Post#2793 » by LoveMyRaps » Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:40 pm

Lmao we definitely had not discussed this Rokas Jokubaitis kid in this thread.

He looks good though. Very Dragic esque
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Post#2794 » by HeadtopChunes » Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:41 pm

Psubs wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:

Freddie Gillespie is a very raptors-y prospect, wouldn’t be suprised if we picked him up at 59 or im UDFA

Elite Defender + High Motor + Big Wingspan + High Character + Unusual Development Arc + cant shoot rn but might later


https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2019/11/08/i-had-no-idea-id-end-up-being-here-freddie-gillespies-path-from-division-iii-to-baylor-starter/

He needs at least 2 years in the 905. He's like Sagaba Konate without outside shooting. Actually he's like the bigger version of Bruno.



Great story but already 23. Though I'd rather just keep paying Boucher the minimum or giving Ellenson a call up.

If going senior big at #59, might gamble on Yoeli Childs, who's ceiling is Paul Millsap.




Child’s is interesting because he looks like a good shooter but he’s bad at FTs wonder how real that jumper is. It’s the key to his success imo since he’s not a good college finisher
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Post#2795 » by pr0gr4m » Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:53 pm

Dalek wrote:I do like Hughes as he has some good tools that could work in the GLeague. I just don't know if he offers anything better or different over Watson and Davis.

My worry is that Toronto keeps loading up on perimeter oriented guys that can't get to the rim. It seems like Toronto's offense stalls out because there are no guys who can get into the paint and collapse a defense. Maybe the draft isn't going to address it.

I would like to draft a pick and roll threat like Winston/Flynn and Nick Richards, or a slasher like Grant Riller who lives in the paint. Even a Jay Scrubb could be intriguing with his ball skills that looks like he can attack the rim.

He has more range and can create mid rangers off the dribble. His wingspan and athleticism mean he can develop to be a guy that gets in the lane.
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Post#2796 » by Kevin Willis » Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:25 pm

rapsdotcom wrote:I see Kalaitzakis and Bolmaro as very similar type players- long playmakers who are defensive disruptive, jump shot still a work in progress but high upside. I’d be shocked if either was around at 58.
I agree that a big is more of a priority for our roster, but this draft is going to be extremely guard-heavy. I think we have to be open to taking one of these high upside guards depending on who is still around at 28.


Agree I see similarity in their games. Kala is taller and has a quicker release where Bolmaro is more of a point guard. Let's see if they can draft a good big or try to get one through the d-league free agency.
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Post#2797 » by DG88 » Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:41 pm

Jay Scrubb is another guy I'm interested in
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Post#2798 » by Indeed » Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:49 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:
Psubs wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:
Tyler Bey is the kind of player I don't want us to draft. At best I see him as a better rebounding Patrick Patterson role player. I don't see any skill upside with him.


More like better rebounding Ariza is his ceiling.

OGLife wrote:Has Georgios Kalaitzakis been discussed?


Yes, twice, but things get lost. Option at #59 but likely better players will fall to #59.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1904610&p=82723131&hilit=Kalaitzakis#p82723131
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1904610&p=83518329&hilit=Kalaitzakis#p83518329


He looks better than Rokas based off on video. What do think are his issues for stash and dash option?


The issue is we don't want to stash. Why do we want to stash when we are much better off with a 2nd round pick contract on our roster.
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Post#2799 » by SurgeIblocka » Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:12 pm

We would want to stash dependinng on if and how much we sign fred and ibaka. We dont want to be in luxury cap this year so stashing would help the cap sheet if we feel the prospect in first round is better than what we can get in second round otherwise we may end up selling the pick with a player.
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Post#2800 » by HeadtopChunes » Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:19 pm

Indeed wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:
Psubs wrote:
More like better rebounding Ariza is his ceiling.



Yes, twice, but things get lost. Option at #59 but likely better players will fall to #59.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1904610&p=82723131&hilit=Kalaitzakis#p82723131
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1904610&p=83518329&hilit=Kalaitzakis#p83518329


He looks better than Rokas based off on video. What do think are his issues for stash and dash option?


The issue is we don't want to stash. Why do we want to stash when we are much better off with a 2nd round pick contract on our roster.

They might want the roster spot for a guy who can contribute now instead

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