2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[LoveMyRaps]

I wanna try to acquire young A/B level prospects that haven't panned out with their respective teams but can excel with the help of the Raptors development tea and reach their full potentials. We should take this route considering we'll be re-tooling this season.

Who are some of those players that might be available via trade?

Lonzo, Lauri, Dunn come to mind. Who else?

[pr0gr4m]

I would easily trade anyone on the roster for Embiid. I would offer Siakam and FVV for Embiid and bring size back into the league using him and Giannis, in the playoffs Embiid can score in the half court and hurt teams that go small. Toronto could load manage him as well during the season as other young talent rises.

Embiid/Ibaka(re-sign golden handshake (30M /1 year)
Bertans(MLE)/Reed(1st rounder)
OG/Watson
Davis/Thomas
Lowry/Powell/Winston(2nd rounder)

Everyone can shoot nearly 40+ around Embiid who can develop a 2-man game in the playoffs with Lowry for a finals run. Powell would have a lot of open floor to attack as well, the pace could be changed between Ibaka and Embiid. Embiid and OG could have a good 2 man game if OG learns how to attack off a pick and roll due to their sizes, that could be extremely hard for other teams to go small against.

I would look to free agency to add Giannis or another star level guard. You could theoretically trade Bertans, OG, and Davis for another star.

Embiid/Ibaka
Giannis/Reed
Powell/Watson/
Beal/Thomas
Winston/Lowry

This isn't NBA2K. First off, there's no way the Sixers would accept Siakam for Embiid, Bertans is going to cost way more than the MLE, and I don't know how you somehow end up with Beal, but I'd like to hear that. I honestly hope you didn't mean Bertans, OG, and Davis for Beal.

Embiid has injury concerns, mobility concerns, and was a huge negative for the Sixers on the court against Boston.

OG's value can rise similar to Siakam's, Davis has the tools to emerge as a star, and Bertans would be a salary filler.

The roster needs to be adjusted to compete and that requires a star if not stars.

[Rapsfan07]

A few things wrong here:

1. I would never trade Siakam for Embiid. I like Embiid, I think he's a top tier guy but with the way the NBA is going, the SF/PF position is the hardest to fill with quality guys and the C position is becoming less and less important. Not to mention that FVV is a UFA and would have to want to go to Philly for this deal to work. Now if FVV make his market rate (around $20M per), TOR would be sending out $50M in salary and would have to take back Embiid + one of Harris or Horford and that's a no go for me.

Embiid is the closest thing to a first option the Raptors can get. The chance that Giannis comes here is absolutely 0. There are much better situations than Toronto for Giannis and he wouldn't fit well with Siakam. You can't compete for a championship without a no.1


2. If the goal is to trade for Embiid (or any other starting C), there's no reason to retain Ibaka. It would be better for both sides if he signed for 3yrs/$45M on another team like New Orleans.

Asset retention is the only reason I would bring back FVV.

3. I can't see Bertans gettting less than $15M per this offseason. He's a big wing, 27 years old, coming off a huge season shooting 40%< from 3pt range. No way you're going to get him for the MLE.

Gallinari would be the same if not better.

4. Powell is too small to play SF full time.

A good SF is hard to find. I would even argue OG isn't a natural SF he would be a better PF or small ball C since he can't attack off the basket. A good SF in my opinion is one that can handle the ball, attack the rim, has elite athleticism, and elite length. That's exactly what Powell is and playing next to a high gravity player like Embiid would be great for him.

Please check bolded for response.

1. We don't even know if Embiid is available. Yes we need a number 1 option, everybody knows that. No one knows where Giannis is going to be next season but if Giannis wants to come here, an all NBAer on a long term deal is a good S&T piece. Siakam could always be dealt so having him isn't going to stop me from getting Giannis if I can. If we're looking for an available number 1 option for now, Oladipo should be had reasonably cheap.

2. We agree on the asset retention part.

3. Gallo is also older and much more injury prone. Moreover, Gallo's availability is going to effect Bertans going rate so yeah.

4. You can make that argument re: Powell & OG if you want but your description of a good SF is a star. Although those are nice to have, there's only a handful in the NBA and none are available right now. OG is doing his job - a 3&D SF who can play some minutes at PF but ideally, we want to put guys in the best physical matchups we can. Not sure why we'd move a 6'8 OG who's doing great there so we can play 6'4 Powell.

5. How do we get Beal? Because I would absolutely not do a Davis, OG and Bertans deal... we wouldn't get Bertans anyway.

[Psubs]

Powell needs to be moved because he will opt out unless he gets hurt. He's like 50/40/85, doubt his stock is going to get much higher next year. It could go lower like Brogdon.

Powell and Stanley for Montrezl signed at $15 million per year for 4 years. Frees up a roster spot with dead weight Stanley.

Powell gets to play near home with friend Kawhi. Draft Tyler Bey at #29 and that really beefs up the rebounding. Mane at #59?

PG Lowry - TD - #59
SG FVV - Thomas - Watson
SF OG - McCaw? - Bey
PF Siakam - Harrell - Boucher
C Ibaka? - Siakam - Hernandez

[isyed]

This would be a dream for us. We get a lotto pick albeit in a poor draft but we can still count on masai and the team net us an underrated player to match up with our core.

Huge fan of lonzo. He also fits what nurse wants ie ball handler and defender. Shooting needs to get better but high iq guy and someone who has size with the ball is gonna be big.

It provides us flexibility more than anything else. Yes the cap hold for zo is high but we can still decline it if we have a chance with giannis. Now if by off chance our pick and lonzo explode and become real contributors next season then we have a really good problem. Also we are likely a better team than last year if this happens hence we can look to use those pieces in a sign and trade or move them on their own without attaching any other assets to get more cap space.

The biggest unknown is fvv. If he bites on a team friendly contract then we are a good. Need og to hold off till next off season and the salary cap needs to go back up.

Lowry is the big unknown. We either move him or if we are still good this year then I would extend him to a 1 year 6 or 7 mill deal. This gives us his bird rights for 2022 season and then we give him his loyalty final contract at something like 4 years 50 mill to make up his lost income from 2022. The last 2 years are probably a big overpay but it keeps him here till retirement.

I'd do this.

Pels put him on the trade block because he seemed ''disinterested' in the bubble''. But he was pretty good during the regular season and I still think it he has the potential be an elite point guard. Defensively he's already there, offensively he's getting better.
Of course we'd have him on a 1yr deal, so if he looks like ass, we can let him go.
the 13th overall pick is the main piece we'd be getting back.

To be fair Lonzo has spent his career so far on mediocre teams with bad development staffs. I think he'd be able to turn it around here. At the very least we're getting a high IQ, elite playmaker, and an elite defender that would fit right in our system.

Would the pels even do this? This trade is a steal.

People out here were tryna trade a pick with Powell to get ride of him just a few years ago.

We might have to throw in our first rounder, which is fine with me.
Norm + #29 for Lonzo + #13

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[OAKLEY_2]

I wanna try to acquire young A/B level prospects that haven't panned out with their respective teams but can excel with the help of the Raptors development tea and reach their full potentials. We should take this route considering we'll be re-tooling this season.

Who are some of those players that might be available via trade?

Lonzo, Lauri, Dunn come to mind. Who else?

Josh Hart, Justice Winslow, Mo Bamba, Dennis Smith Jr., TJ Leaf, Taureen Prince, Jordan Bell, Moritz Wagner, Spencer Dinwiddie

[LoveMyRaps]

This would be a dream for us. We get a lotto pick albeit in a poor draft but we can still count on masai and the team net us an underrated player to match up with our core.

Huge fan of lonzo. He also fits what nurse wants ie ball handler and defender. Shooting needs to get better but high iq guy and someone who has size with the ball is gonna be big.

It provides us flexibility more than anything else. Yes the cap hold for zo is high but we can still decline it if we have a chance with giannis. Now if by off chance our pick and lonzo explode and become real contributors next season then we have a really good problem. Also we are likely a better team than last year if this happens hence we can look to use those pieces in a sign and trade or move them on their own without attaching any other assets to get more cap space.

The biggest unknown is fvv. If he bites on a team friendly contract then we are a good. Need og to hold off till next off season and the salary cap needs to go back up.

Lowry is the big unknown. We either move him or if we are still good this year then I would extend him to a 1 year 6 or 7 mill deal. This gives us his bird rights for 2022 season and then we give him his loyalty final contract at something like 4 years 50 mill to make up his lost income from 2022. The last 2 years are probably a big overpay but it keeps him here till retirement.

Would the pels even do this? This trade is a steal.

People out here were tryna trade a pick with Powell to get ride of him just a few years ago.

We might have to throw in our first rounder, which is fine with me.
Norm + #29 for Lonzo + #13

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Yeah if we can't re-sign FVV. I'd like to see us do this deal. A lot of intriguing guards around that 13th spot which can replace Norm/FVV like Vassell, Nesmith, Anthony, Maledon, etc.
Norm + FVV for Lonzo + Vassell

Backcourt depth would be:
PG:Lowry/Lonzo/Mane
SG:Vassell/Davis/Thomas

[LBJKB24MJ23]

I would like some Jerami Grant after watching him these playoffs though it is still the idea of not committing big money to anyone prior to 2021

And he plays the same position as OG and Siakam. But imagine OG, Siakam, and Grant in a pseudo small ball lineup.

[Mister Ze]

I would like some Jerami Grant after watching him these playoffs though it is still the idea of not committing big money to anyone prior to 2021

And he plays the same position as OG and Siakam. But imagine OG, Siakam, and Grant in a pseudo small ball lineup.

Grant looked solid but I don't see the fit with OG.

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[Psubs]

I would like some Jerami Grant after watching him these playoffs though it is still the idea of not committing big money to anyone prior to 2021

And he plays the same position as OG and Siakam. But imagine OG, Siakam, and Grant in a pseudo small ball lineup.

Denver should sign him to a Capella sized contract.

They should look to cash in Gary Harris as he didn't play that well in the bubble.

[StopitLeo]

I'd do this.

Pels put him on the trade block because he seemed ''disinterested' in the bubble''. But he was pretty good during the regular season and I still think it he has the potential be an elite point guard. Defensively he's already there, offensively he's getting better.
Of course we'd have him on a 1yr deal, so if he looks like ass, we can let him go.
the 13th overall pick is the main piece we'd be getting back.

To be fair Lonzo has spent his career so far on mediocre teams with bad development staffs. I think he'd be able to turn it around here. At the very least we're getting a high IQ, elite playmaker, and an elite defender that would fit right in our system.

If Fred leaves then I'm all over this.

[Red_Claw]

I'd do this.

Pels put him on the trade block because he seemed ''disinterested' in the bubble''. But he was pretty good during the regular season and I still think it he has the potential be an elite point guard. Defensively he's already there, offensively he's getting better.
Of course we'd have him on a 1yr deal, so if he looks like ass, we can let him go.
the 13th overall pick is the main piece we'd be getting back.

To be fair Lonzo has spent his career so far on mediocre teams with bad development staffs. I think he'd be able to turn it around here. At the very least we're getting a high IQ, elite playmaker, and an elite defender that would fit right in our system.

If Fred leaves then I'm all over this.

1 year of Norman isin't worth a #13 pick let alone a player who still has potential. That trade isin't close.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

I'd do this.

Pels put him on the trade block because he seemed ''disinterested' in the bubble''. But he was pretty good during the regular season and I still think it he has the potential be an elite point guard. Defensively he's already there, offensively he's getting better.
Of course we'd have him on a 1yr deal, so if he looks like ass, we can let him go.
the 13th overall pick is the main piece we'd be getting back.

To be fair Lonzo has spent his career so far on mediocre teams with bad development staffs. I think he'd be able to turn it around here. At the very least we're getting a high IQ, elite playmaker, and an elite defender that would fit right in our system.

If Fred leaves then I'm all over this.

1 year of Norman isin't worth a #13 pick let alone a player who still has potential. That trade isin't close.

ya pretty much my exact thoughts. Norm is 27 years old lol. he doesn't fit the core of the Pelicans. If you were the Pelicans would you do it, hell no lmao.

[HeadtopChunes]

https://theathletic.com/2094389/2020/09/27/celtics-eliminated-but-still-have-promising-future/

Hayward won’t be opting out of his contract unless he has a long-term extension in place, which will be hard for a 30-year-old with a concerning injury history. Indiana is still home for the Haywards, and with Victor Oladipo looking to move on this offseason, according to sources, and Myles Turner possibly in the same boat, there could be an opportunity for Ainge to move Hayward and the abundance of draft picks in his war chest in a mutually agreeable way. Boston won’t have cap space again with three stars locked up long-term, so moving Hayward or Marcus Smart presents one of the few opportunities to get back a player making starter-caliber money.

[LoveMyRaps]

Next years draft is considered one of the strongest in recent memory.
I wouldn't mind trading Norm for an expiring + a 2021 potential lottery pick.
It'd be super difficult, but there might be a dumb team out there that hasn't done their homework.

[Syd-TK3]

https://theathletic.com/2094389/2020/09/27/celtics-eliminated-but-still-have-promising-future/

Hayward won’t be opting out of his contract unless he has a long-term extension in place, which will be hard for a 30-year-old with a concerning injury history. Indiana is still home for the Haywards, and with Victor Oladipo looking to move on this offseason, according to sources, and Myles Turner possibly in the same boat, there could be an opportunity for Ainge to move Hayward and the abundance of draft picks in his war chest in a mutually agreeable way. Boston won’t have cap space again with three stars locked up long-term, so moving Hayward or Marcus Smart presents one of the few opportunities to get back a player making starter-caliber money.

Fred for Oladipo get it done

[Rapsfan07]

https://theathletic.com/2094389/2020/09/27/celtics-eliminated-but-still-have-promising-future/

Hayward won’t be opting out of his contract unless he has a long-term extension in place, which will be hard for a 30-year-old with a concerning injury history. Indiana is still home for the Haywards, and with Victor Oladipo looking to move on this offseason, according to sources, and Myles Turner possibly in the same boat, there could be an opportunity for Ainge to move Hayward and the abundance of draft picks in his war chest in a mutually agreeable way. Boston won’t have cap space again with three stars locked up long-term, so moving Hayward or Marcus Smart presents one of the few opportunities to get back a player making starter-caliber money.

I'm not surprised. They've both been on my radar for a long, long time.

Boston does have some pretty valuable assets but I'm not sure they'll have an interest in Dipo. He just came off an injury and wants to get paid... I'm not sure the risk is worth it for Boston, especially when they've already paid Brown who is much younger, bigger and locked up long term.

Same thing for Indy and Hayward. Sure, he lives there but he's already 30 and expiring as well.

But I do think Boston could definitely have interest in Turner.

I really hope Ujiri is keeping an eye on this situation. We can afford to take the risk on Dipo.

[Raptorfan2012]

https://theathletic.com/2094389/2020/09/27/celtics-eliminated-but-still-have-promising-future/

Hayward won’t be opting out of his contract unless he has a long-term extension in place, which will be hard for a 30-year-old with a concerning injury history. Indiana is still home for the Haywards, and with Victor Oladipo looking to move on this offseason, according to sources, and Myles Turner possibly in the same boat, there could be an opportunity for Ainge to move Hayward and the abundance of draft picks in his war chest in a mutually agreeable way. Boston won’t have cap space again with three stars locked up long-term, so moving Hayward or Marcus Smart presents one of the few opportunities to get back a player making starter-caliber money.

Celtics have no use for Vic since they are already set with their guards, and Vic is not going to want to come off the bench on his contract year. Raptors can try to bring in Vic, but I have a feeling Vic wants to end up in Miami come 2021 (but who knows what sort of magic Masai can muster).

[h4rrison]

Will Stanley opt-out? Why did we give him a player option? We need to trade him or get him to opt-out.

[pr0gr4m]

I would drop Powell, Johnson, and McCaw for Dipo I doubt that gets outdone by any other team. He is a bad contract right now and won't recover for next season. The hope would be to load manage, perform in the playoffs, and then attract Giannis.

I would draft Reed and Mane to develop them in the Gleague as rotational players.

I would look to re-sign Gasol, Ibaka, and FVV for 1, 1, and 3 year deals.

A strong MLE signing like Gallinari would be fitting as well to be a bench scoring mismatch.

Ibaka/Gasol/Reed/Hernandez
Siakam/Gallinari
OG/Watson/Oshae
Oladipo/Davis/Thomas/Mane
Lowry/FVV/Winston(undrafted)