Trade Ideas Thread

[TGW]

Guys do you think Philly will give us Ben Simmons for Kemba and all our picks this year?

No.

[hugepatsfan]

Guys, I hate to break it to you, but Turner is barely an upgrade over Theis, if at all. He shot 45% from the field this year as a big, that's just awful.

Getting him isn't worth it. He's just not that good.

I agree he's made out to be more than he is but this is simplistic. He shoots 45% because he takes so many 3s. If you want the benefit of a big man shooting 3s you have to understand that their overall FG% will suffer because even if a guy shoots an awesome 40% from the floor that's still going to drag down the overall FG% for a big man.

[TGW]

Crazy high-risk trade idea:

Boston trades Kemba and Hayward (after he exercises his $34M option for next year)
Washington trades Wall and Beal

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7322630

Why for Boston? To get Beal and unite him with his STL bestie Tatum for years to come. Also, with Beal and Wall's size you could reasonably play a lineup of Wall/Beal/Jaylen/Tatum/Theis (for now) with Smart as 6th man and Kanter/RW3/Grant as 7th and 8th men. Still need shooting and development from RW3 and Grant, but IF Wall can actually stay healthy, Wall/Beal/Jaylen/Tatum is a problem. Wall says he's healthy FWIW: https://www.si.com/nba/2020/05/26/john-wall-washington-wizards-healthy

Why NOT for Boston? Wall's health risk and albatross contract combined with his poor shooting. He has played 73 games in the past 3 seasons, including 0 in 2019-20. Wall is set to make $44M in 2021-22 and $47M in 2022-23. Absolutely brutal.

Why for Washington? To get rid of Wall's contract. Kemba is the same age as Wall, is healthy by comparison, and makes ~$10M less than Wall annually. Losing Beal would suck, but with Wall and Beal accounting for ~$80M annually on the salary cap, how do you realistically build a competitor? Might as well embrace the rebuild with a good teammate in Kemba and a guy in Hayward who will be motivated to play for a contract (somewhere else).

Why NOT for Washington? Because they're dumb and will cling to the hope that Wall and Beal can magically do more than make the playoffs and lose in the first round.

I also like the idea of trying to get Thomas Bryant in this deal by adding picks, etc.

That's laughably horrible for Washington.

[djFan71]

I was against the signing (bad use of max money & cap space, imo). But that ship's sailed and I'm against trading him as well. He's still a really, really good player, and trading him would be a bad look - and probably a bad return. So, I don't see it.

The surgery whispers are scary / encouraging, honestly. If it's something that can actually be addressed and he gets his burst back more consistently and has the experience he gained this playoffs, those are all good things.

[100proof]

Hayward to Indy via trade with Boston has legs. Hayward/Theis. or Hayward/Kanter/Picks for Turner/Warren

Turner and Warren would be an awesome get imo.

I think if our system makes Theis a pretty darn good starting Center it will make Turner a stud one.
Adding Warren as either a starter or off the bench is the bee knees.

Kemba/Edwards
Smart/Romeo
Brown/Warren
Tatum/Grant W
Turner/Kanter/Timelord/Poirier

Very interesting top 9 there with room for improvement. Also creates about a 10 million dollar tpe (assuming deal is Hayward/Theis for Turner/Warren)

Team would have a payroll of 130 million before signing picks. so a little under tax. Could use a pick or 2 to shed a little more salary as well(Poirier and a second for a second)

[100proof]

Crazy high-risk trade idea:

Boston trades Kemba and Hayward (after he exercises his $34M option for next year)
Washington trades Wall and Beal

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7322630

Why for Boston? To get Beal and unite him with his STL bestie Tatum for years to come. Also, with Beal and Wall's size you could reasonably play a lineup of Wall/Beal/Jaylen/Tatum/Theis (for now) with Smart as 6th man and Kanter/RW3/Grant as 7th and 8th men. Still need shooting and development from RW3 and Grant, but IF Wall can actually stay healthy, Wall/Beal/Jaylen/Tatum is a problem. Wall says he's healthy FWIW: https://www.si.com/nba/2020/05/26/john-wall-washington-wizards-healthy

Why NOT for Boston? Wall's health risk and albatross contract combined with his poor shooting. He has played 73 games in the past 3 seasons, including 0 in 2019-20. Wall is set to make $44M in 2021-22 and $47M in 2022-23. Absolutely brutal.

Why for Washington? To get rid of Wall's contract. Kemba is the same age as Wall, is healthy by comparison, and makes ~$10M less than Wall annually. Losing Beal would suck, but with Wall and Beal accounting for ~$80M annually on the salary cap, how do you realistically build a competitor? Might as well embrace the rebuild with a good teammate in Kemba and a guy in Hayward who will be motivated to play for a contract (somewhere else).

Why NOT for Washington? Because they're dumb and will cling to the hope that Wall and Beal can magically do more than make the playoffs and lose in the first round.

I also like the idea of trying to get Thomas Bryant in this deal by adding picks, etc.

That's laughably horrible for Washington.

It would seem, but the key, I would think, would be moving out from the worst contract in the nba. If Wall returns to 90% of his former, pre injury self, he will not be worth 75% of what he will be getting paid.

[100proof]

Guys, I hate to break it to you, but Turner is barely an upgrade over Theis, if at all. He shot 45% from the field this year as a big, that's just awful.

Getting him isn't worth it. He's just not that good.

I agree he's made out to be more than he is but this is simplistic. He shoots 45% because he takes so many 3s. If you want the benefit of a big man shooting 3s you have to understand that their overall FG% will suffer because even if a guy shoots an awesome 40% from the floor that's still going to drag down the overall FG% for a big man.

I debated and ran a bunch of numbers comparing Turner to some other "middling" centers in the nba including the likes of guys of LJ, Theis, Ibaka etc. and I found that Turner has pretty average numbers.

However, you have to take into account the differences of playstyle and coaching. I think that Stevens has made Daniel a much better player than he is really worth, and I would assume that with Turner he would improve him as well. The System Danny runs seems perfect for Turner. HE would get alot of nice open looks IMO and I think his overall impact goes up from what it currently is which makes him a very solid improvement over theis

[100proof]

Guys, I hate to break it to you, but Turner is barely an upgrade over Theis, if at all. He shot 45% from the field this year as a big, that's just awful.

Getting him isn't worth it. He's just not that good.

He's a better defender than Theiss and Brad will make him look even better. Plus Warren in that deal is a big bonus, but the way he played in the bubble, i dont see the Pacers putting him in that deal as well.

Is he though? He's probably better against Bam because of his size, but Embiid has lit him up consistently, and to be honest, he's not a very good offensive player. He can shoot, yes, but not that well. He's basically Horford without the playmaking ability and is a worse shooter.

Warren is a pretty good player, good scorer, but I don't like his fit with Brown/Tatum at all. He's not a very good defender and can only score, he's not a playmaker at all.

you bring him off the bench as your super 6th.

[100proof]

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Interesting

Hayward, Theis, and a pick for Dipo and Turner works.

Kemba/Smart
Dipo/Romeo
Brown
Tatum/GrantW
Turner/Kanter/Timelord

Brogdon
Hayward
Warren
Sabonis
Theis

I think both teams win that deal. If Kemba really is hurt having both Dipo and Smart who can fill in as a starting lead guard would be huge. Having someone like Dipo who can initiate an offense and goes iso if need be is great. Also he is very much a plus defender.

and if nothing else he is a flippable asset with teams like Dallas, Atlanta, clippers would all like him

[WeLikeOurGuys]

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Interesting

Hayward, Theis, and a pick for Dipo and Turner works.

Kemba/Smart
Dipo/Romeo
Brown
Tatum/GrantW
Turner/Kanter/Timelord

Brogdon
Hayward
Warren
Sabonis
Theis

I think both teams win that deal. If Kemba really is hurt having both Dipo and Smart who can fill in as a starting lead guard would be huge. Having someone like Dipo who can initiate an offense and goes iso if need be is great. Also he is very much a plus defender.

and if nothing else he is a flippable asset with teams like Dallas, Atlanta, clippers would all like him

I think we would have to include a lot more to get dipo and turner back.

[100proof]

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Interesting

Hayward, Theis, and a pick for Dipo and Turner works.

Kemba/Smart
Dipo/Romeo
Brown
Tatum/GrantW
Turner/Kanter/Timelord

Brogdon
Hayward
Warren
Sabonis
Theis

I think both teams win that deal. If Kemba really is hurt having both Dipo and Smart who can fill in as a starting lead guard would be huge. Having someone like Dipo who can initiate an offense and goes iso if need be is great. Also he is very much a plus defender.

and if nothing else he is a flippable asset with teams like Dallas, Atlanta, clippers would all like him

I think we would have to include a lot more to get dipo and turner back.

Maybe. I would include Romeo, 14 and 30 imo.

Hayward, Romeo, Theis, 14 and 30 out
Dipo and Turner in

[ddb]

My take on Turner is that he's with the wrong team. He's never going to be a superstar, but he's capable of improving and being a very good modern day center. first of all, he's 6'11 and can block shots. He can also stretch defenses which we know Brad likes. His age fits the timeline of Brown/Tatum/Smart, plus those 3 guys along with Kemba have the USA connection with Turner as well. Sabonis has taken the Center job in Indy, and they used a 1st rounder on Goga last past draft. Turner is on the market and I believe he can be much better in the Celtics system then people think.
I heard Warren as a piece Boston is interested in, but with the recent Dipo news perhaps he can be the guy Boston goes for along with Turner instead. Would have to be a big package going back to Indy which would likely include Hayward/Theis and multiple picks. for Turner/Dipo I would absolutely move forward with that if you're Boston.

Lets not forget that Milwaukee will be back. Miami just beat Boston. BK is coming. Philly is making changes. This conference is getting serious. Boston needs to make a big push. enough with the patience. Patience has paid off over the past handful of years which has lead to a Tatum/Brown foundation. Now is the time for Danny to push his chips to the center of the table.

Kemba-Dipo-Brown-Tatum-Turner with Smart/FA/GWill/Rwill/FA is a team that can win a title.

[greenroom31]

Spoiler:

Crazy high-risk trade idea:

Boston trades Kemba and Hayward (after he exercises his $34M option for next year)
Washington trades Wall and Beal

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7322630

Why for Boston? To get Beal and unite him with his STL bestie Tatum for years to come. Also, with Beal and Wall's size you could reasonably play a lineup of Wall/Beal/Jaylen/Tatum/Theis (for now) with Smart as 6th man and Kanter/RW3/Grant as 7th and 8th men. Still need shooting and development from RW3 and Grant, but IF Wall can actually stay healthy, Wall/Beal/Jaylen/Tatum is a problem. Wall says he's healthy FWIW: https://www.si.com/nba/2020/05/26/john-wall-washington-wizards-healthy

Why NOT for Boston? Wall's health risk and albatross contract combined with his poor shooting. He has played 73 games in the past 3 seasons, including 0 in 2019-20. Wall is set to make $44M in 2021-22 and $47M in 2022-23. Absolutely brutal.

Why for Washington? To get rid of Wall's contract. Kemba is the same age as Wall, is healthy by comparison, and makes ~$10M less than Wall annually. Losing Beal would suck, but with Wall and Beal accounting for ~$80M annually on the salary cap, how do you realistically build a competitor? Might as well embrace the rebuild with a good teammate in Kemba and a guy in Hayward who will be motivated to play for a contract (somewhere else).

Why NOT for Washington? Because they're dumb and will cling to the hope that Wall and Beal can magically do more than make the playoffs and lose in the first round.

I also like the idea of trying to get Thomas Bryant in this deal by adding picks, etc.

That's laughably horrible for Washington.

It would be if Wall could stay healthy and didn't have literally the worst contract in the league.

Think of it like this: Beal for Kemba and you get to dump Wall in exchange for one year of Hayward. You're not going to get equal value for Beal if the other team has to take Wall back, and at least Washington management can say they got an Allstar (and another former Allstar) in return.

I'm not sure who is going to offer a better deal than that honestly... like I said in my original post, Washington will most likely just stick with Wall and Beal and end up with the 6-8th seed if Wall somehow stays healthy. Enjoy!

[BK_2020]

If Dipo and Turner were such difference makers Indiana would not have sucked as much when they played. How many 1st round winds let alone titles have they brought to Indiana?

[MagicBagley18]

My take on Turner is that he's with the wrong team. He's never going to be a superstar, but he's capable of improving and being a very good modern day center. first of all, he's 6'11 and can block shots. He can also stretch defenses which we know Brad likes. His age fits the timeline of Brown/Tatum/Smart, plus those 3 guys along with Kemba have the USA connection with Turner as well. Sabonis has taken the Center job in Indy, and they used a 1st rounder on Goga last past draft. Turner is on the market and I believe he can be much better in the Celtics system then people think.
I heard Warren as a piece Boston is interested in, but with the recent Dipo news perhaps he can be the guy Boston goes for along with Turner instead. Would have to be a big package going back to Indy which would likely include Hayward/Theis and multiple picks. for Turner/Dipo I would absolutely move forward with that if you're Boston.

Lets not forget that Milwaukee will be back. Miami just beat Boston. BK is coming. Philly is making changes. This conference is getting serious. Boston needs to make a big push. enough with the patience. Patience has paid off over the past handful of years which has lead to a Tatum/Brown foundation. Now is the time for Danny to push his chips to the center of the table.

Kemba-Dipo-Brown-Tatum-Turner with Smart/FA/GWill/Rwill/FA is a team that can win a title.

Do we get the bird rights on dipo? Bc let’s say he regains from his injury and plays at all star /all nba level again- he’s essentially a rental bc he will want a max extension

[100proof]

If Dipo and Turner were such difference makers Indiana would not have sucked as much when they played. How many 1st round winds let alone titles have they brought to Indiana?

How many has Hayward and Theis brought boston? I think they are the same in regards to titles.

No title, what round you lose in is irrelevant imo.

[MagicBagley18]

If Dipo and Turner were such difference makers Indiana would not have sucked as much when they played. How many 1st round winds let alone titles have they brought to Indiana?

I’m not even in favor of either trade but I’d imagine a huge difference is you’d be pairing those guys with Jayson tatum, kemba Walker + Jaylen brown and not TJ Warren McDermott and the oft injured brodgdon plus a system which fits Turner better

[lon3lytoaster]

A big and swing swap would be interesting to me with Indiana. Turner and one of Dipo, Warren or hopefully Brogdon would definitely fill some gaps and send Hayward home where hopefully he can recover a bit of who he is as a basketball player.

If you can keep Theis and add Kanter to match salary, you’re on to something. Make a move for Bertrans and/or maybe a Jordan Clarkson type in free agency and I like us with continued development from the Jays

[lon3lytoaster]

My take on Turner is that he's with the wrong team. He's never going to be a superstar, but he's capable of improving and being a very good modern day center. first of all, he's 6'11 and can block shots. He can also stretch defenses which we know Brad likes. His age fits the timeline of Brown/Tatum/Smart, plus those 3 guys along with Kemba have the USA connection with Turner as well. Sabonis has taken the Center job in Indy, and they used a 1st rounder on Goga last past draft. Turner is on the market and I believe he can be much better in the Celtics system then people think.
I heard Warren as a piece Boston is interested in, but with the recent Dipo news perhaps he can be the guy Boston goes for along with Turner instead. Would have to be a big package going back to Indy which would likely include Hayward/Theis and multiple picks. for Turner/Dipo I would absolutely move forward with that if you're Boston.

Lets not forget that Milwaukee will be back. Miami just beat Boston. BK is coming. Philly is making changes. This conference is getting serious. Boston needs to make a big push. enough with the patience. Patience has paid off over the past handful of years which has lead to a Tatum/Brown foundation. Now is the time for Danny to push his chips to the center of the table.

Kemba-Dipo-Brown-Tatum-Turner with Smart/FA/GWill/Rwill/FA is a team that can win a title.

Do we get the bird rights on dipo? Bc let’s say he regains from his injury and plays at all star /all nba level again- he’s essentially a rental bc he will want a max extension

You generally get bird rights from all of your players, or most of them I guess I should say. So yes, but he would be unrestricted and free to sign anywhere else should he choose to regardless.

[djFan71]

You can always bring in a 3rd team to send Dipo too. DAL might make sense:

BOS: Turner, THJ for Hayward, Poirier, 26
IND: Hayward, 18, 26, 31, DAL '22 2nd for Dipo, Turner
DAL: Dipo, Poirier for THJ, 18, 31, future 2nd.