Trade Ideas Thread

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Regarding Oladipo

[MagicBagley18]

Spoiler:

Dipo would be flipped imo.

To Dallas for THJ, Brunson and 18 perhaps?

Hayward, Theis, Langford, 14 to Indy

Dipo, Poirier to Dallas

Turner, Brunson, THJ #18 to Boston

Kemba/Brunson
Smart/THJ
Brown/GrantW
Tatum/Timelord
Turner/Kanter

Stll have MLE, #18 and #30

Mavs fan lurking. The Mavs are not throwing away two assets to switch for one year from THJ to Oladipo...i mean, good chances that post injury Oladipo isnt even a better player than THJ.

The Mavs wont do any major trades, they are going to wait for 2021. So many free agent options (beside the Giannis jackpot).

That's probably the right approach. So many of these major trade targets are so hard to get fair value on. IND would want a king's ransom for Dip, but if you're the team buying, your thoughts are my thoughts.

They ain’t getting a kings return for dipo tho......rental w massive injury concerns

[BostonCouchGM]

the Oladipo hating is stupid. He was legit one of the best two-way SGs in the entire league pre-injury. He still wasn't 100% when he came back so how are people judging him on that? That's like judging Hayward the first season he was back. And as a reminder. You people crushed him even though you qualified it with "well, he IS rusty and they say you don't really heal fully until the 2nd season!" Oladipo is just entering his prime. If you like Donovan Mitchell and Bradly Beal, well...Oladipo is better because he actually plays defense at an all-NBA level. And he's a dog. He's a much better player than Turner, though I would also love him too so maybe that can happen in lieu or in conjunction. Oladipo would be our 2nd best player by a lot if he came here. Like I said, he was pushing into Wade territory before the injury. 23-5-4 and led the league in steals. He made all-NBA and all-defensive teams. People have short memories. He's still just 27 y/o.

[Parliament10]

Jared Weiss of The Athletic speculated Oladipo could be part of Hayward deal. Oladipo and Turner for Hayward, Theis, Langford and Ainge's beloved stockpile of picks would be pretty nice.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2911029-victor-oladipo-trade-rumors-pacers-star-looking-to-move-on-from-indiana

I like the Trade idea Hayward for Turner & Oladipo.
I don't think that we need to throw in our coveted players, though.

Hayward & Picks = Turner & Oladipo.

Oladipo (who is 28) wants out, and he's still got the injury bug.
Another thing is, that the Pacers only have #54 in the upcoming Draft.

A third team to assist in the Trade is also possible. But, I don't think it's absolutely necessary.



Proposed Rotation, 2020-21:
Kemba - Brown - Tatum - Theis - Turner
Smart - Oladipo - Langford - G.Williams - R.Williams
Waters - Edwards - (Rookie) - (XXXXX) - Fall

Maine Red Claws = (Rookie), (Rookie)

[Fencer reregistered]

the Oladipo hating is stupid. He was legit one of the best two-way SGs in the entire league pre-injury. He still wasn't 100% when he came back so how are people judging him on that? That's like judging Hayward the first season he was back. And as a reminder. You people crushed him even though you qualified it with "well, he IS rusty and they say you don't really heal fully until the 2nd season!" Oladipo is just entering his prime. If you like Donovan Mitchell and Bradly Beal, well...Oladipo is better because he actually plays defense at an all-NBA level. And he's a dog. He's a much better player than Turner, though I would also love him too so maybe that can happen in lieu or in conjunction. Oladipo would be our 2nd best player by a lot if he came here. Like I said, he was pushing into Wade territory before the injury. 23-5-4 and led the league in steals. He made all-NBA and all-defensive teams. People have short memories. He's still just 27 y/o.

Indy is pretty badly screwed unless they get a favorable outcome to the Oladipo health/bounceback uncertainty, and then get full value from Oladipo. And the latter will only happen if they make him happy and keep him.

Trading Turner for Hayward/Theis fits well with that -- provided they can convince themselves that they can coach a collection of athletically dubious individuals into a viable defense.

From our perspective, trading Hayward/Theis for Turner could be reasonable depending on what we do with the salary breathing flexibility that results.

Indy's need to salary match -- presumably Lamb and McDermott -- complicates the execution, but doesn't fundamentally change the strategic analysis.

[djFan71]

the Oladipo hating is stupid. He was legit one of the best two-way SGs in the entire league pre-injury. He still wasn't 100% when he came back so how are people judging him on that? That's like judging Hayward the first season he was back. And as a reminder. You people crushed him even though you qualified it with "well, he IS rusty and they say you don't really heal fully until the 2nd season!" Oladipo is just entering his prime. If you like Donovan Mitchell and Bradly Beal, well...Oladipo is better because he actually plays defense at an all-NBA level. And he's a dog. He's a much better player than Turner, though I would also love him too so maybe that can happen in lieu or in conjunction. Oladipo would be our 2nd best player by a lot if he came here. Like I said, he was pushing into Wade territory before the injury. 23-5-4 and led the league in steals. He made all-NBA and all-defensive teams. People have short memories. He's still just 27 y/o.

It's not judging him on the post-injury production, it's worrying if that's all you ever get. I don't think anyone's arguing how good he is healthy. It's just a pretty big risk to trade for him & then if everything goes right and you rehab him back to full strength, you gotta drop a max on him next summer and hope it all stays right for the length of that deal. It could be a gamble that pays off great. It could be a disaster. I get the argument for it is "what other chance do you have at an all-NBA 20-something at a low cost"? But, the argument against it is Grant Hill or the guy we want to trade for him. Different injuries, but same concept.

[Spin Move]

I don't see how the smaller oladipp is a better fit then the bigger hayward. If both 100% healthy Dipo is a better defender Hayward is a better shooter and passer. Oladipo healthy is a rich mans smart, but he has never been a super effecient scorer. Now if we can get Dipo and Turner for Hayward, Kanter and picks I am down.

[MrGreenRunsDeep]

Anyone wants Hayward and Picks???

[reload141]

the Oladipo hating is stupid. He was legit one of the best two-way SGs in the entire league pre-injury. He still wasn't 100% when he came back so how are people judging him on that? That's like judging Hayward the first season he was back. And as a reminder. You people crushed him even though you qualified it with "well, he IS rusty and they say you don't really heal fully until the 2nd season!" Oladipo is just entering his prime. If you like Donovan Mitchell and Bradly Beal, well...Oladipo is better because he actually plays defense at an all-NBA level. And he's a dog. He's a much better player than Turner, though I would also love him too so maybe that can happen in lieu or in conjunction. Oladipo would be our 2nd best player by a lot if he came here. Like I said, he was pushing into Wade territory before the injury. 23-5-4 and led the league in steals. He made all-NBA and all-defensive teams. People have short memories. He's still just 27 y/o.

Indy is pretty badly screwed unless they get a favorable outcome to the Oladipo health/bounceback uncertainty, and then get full value from Oladipo. And the latter will only happen if they make him happy and keep him.

Trading Turner for Hayward/Theis fits well with that -- provided they can convince themselves that they can coach a collection of athletically dubious individuals into a viable defense.

From our perspective, trading Hayward/Theis for Turner could be reasonable depending on what we do with the salary breathing flexibility that results.

Indy's need to salary match -- presumably Lamb and McDermott -- complicates the execution, but doesn't fundamentally change the strategic analysis.

Want.

[chrisab123]

Anyone wants Hayward and Picks???

I think Indy is the perfect trade spot. The Celtics can't allow this opportunity to get away.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Also, Dipo **** sucks. Dude tore his quad tendon, an injury that historically was as serious as the achilles. He had a terrible year and I dont want him near our team. Zero chance that dude accepts a 3rd/4th option role.

Even if he did and he excelled do u really wanna attach your next 4 years to him with a max deal? no thanks.

Dipo is as cooked as IT was after his injury. I dont want anything to do with him.

[SmartWentCrazy]

the Oladipo hating is stupid. He was legit one of the best two-way SGs in the entire league pre-injury. He still wasn't 100% when he came back so how are people judging him on that? That's like judging Hayward the first season he was back. And as a reminder. You people crushed him even though you qualified it with "well, he IS rusty and they say you don't really heal fully until the 2nd season!" Oladipo is just entering his prime. If you like Donovan Mitchell and Bradly Beal, well...Oladipo is better because he actually plays defense at an all-NBA level. And he's a dog. He's a much better player than Turner, though I would also love him too so maybe that can happen in lieu or in conjunction. Oladipo would be our 2nd best player by a lot if he came here. Like I said, he was pushing into Wade territory before the injury. 23-5-4 and led the league in steals. He made all-NBA and all-defensive teams. People have short memories. He's still just 27 y/o.

He had a catastrophic injury that has ended HOFers careers man. He’s rusty just like IT is still rusty after his injury. Sucks. But we cant be the suckers that take him.

[Roddy]

Very unpopular trade.

Mike D'Antoni is probably the next Sixers coach. He wants shooters, small lineup, and that's it...

We need size, playmaking and defense.

Spoiler:

[MagicBagley18]

the Oladipo hating is stupid. He was legit one of the best two-way SGs in the entire league pre-injury. He still wasn't 100% when he came back so how are people judging him on that? That's like judging Hayward the first season he was back. And as a reminder. You people crushed him even though you qualified it with "well, he IS rusty and they say you don't really heal fully until the 2nd season!" Oladipo is just entering his prime. If you like Donovan Mitchell and Bradly Beal, well...Oladipo is better because he actually plays defense at an all-NBA level. And he's a dog. He's a much better player than Turner, though I would also love him too so maybe that can happen in lieu or in conjunction. Oladipo would be our 2nd best player by a lot if he came here. Like I said, he was pushing into Wade territory before the injury. 23-5-4 and led the league in steals. He made all-NBA and all-defensive teams. People have short memories. He's still just 27 y/o.

Except it’s not just one injury it’s a quad and other several injuries....he’s in a contract year and he could be a rental. No all the way around.

[100proof]

Spoiler:

Mavs fan lurking. The Mavs are not throwing away two assets to switch for one year from THJ to Oladipo...i mean, good chances that post injury Oladipo isnt even a better player than THJ.

The Mavs wont do any major trades, they are going to wait for 2021. So many free agent options (beside the Giannis jackpot).

That's probably the right approach. So many of these major trade targets are so hard to get fair value on. IND would want a king's ransom for Dip, but if you're the team buying, your thoughts are my thoughts.

They ain’t getting a kings return for dipo tho......rental w massive injury concerns

I wasnt certain about how highly they value Dipo.

I mean, in a perfect health world I think Dipo could be a very good fit there. The key being his health

[Higgs Boston]

If they trade oladipo then they would ask Smart and young players in a trade for Turner, hayward in that scenario doesn't make sense for them.

[100proof]

Spoiler:

Dipo would be flipped imo.

To Dallas for THJ, Brunson and 18 perhaps?

Hayward, Theis, Langford, 14 to Indy

Dipo, Poirier to Dallas

Turner, Brunson, THJ #18 to Boston

Kemba/Brunson
Smart/THJ
Brown/GrantW
Tatum/Timelord
Turner/Kanter

Stll have MLE, #18 and #30

Mavs fan lurking. The Mavs are not throwing away two assets to switch for one year from THJ to Oladipo...i mean, good chances that post injury Oladipo isnt even a better player than THJ.

The Mavs wont do any major trades, they are going to wait for 2021. So many free agent options (beside the Giannis jackpot).

That's probably the right approach. So many of these major trade targets are so hard to get fair value on. IND would want a king's ransom for Dip, but if you're the team buying, your thoughts are my thoughts.

Indy would want a kings ransom, but they would never get it.

Player wanting out> value drops
Player coming up into unrestricted free agency and has stated he wants to get paid > value drops
Player coming off the type of devastating injury that has a high likleyhood of re-occuring > value drops alot

IMO, They would be lucky to get salary and a lotto pick for Victor at this point. He is really forcing their hands if he proclaims he wans playing time elsewhere.,

[La Flame]

Dipo is v intriguing, but would him and Kemba work together? They seem to be the same type of player

Dipo and Kemba are not the same type player. First of all, Dipo is an accomplished Piano player, singer, and dancer.

I still dont understand why Danny got Theis when we already had the same player in Hayward

[100proof]

the Oladipo hating is stupid. He was legit one of the best two-way SGs in the entire league pre-injury. He still wasn't 100% when he came back so how are people judging him on that? That's like judging Hayward the first season he was back. And as a reminder. You people crushed him even though you qualified it with "well, he IS rusty and they say you don't really heal fully until the 2nd season!" Oladipo is just entering his prime. If you like Donovan Mitchell and Bradly Beal, well...Oladipo is better because he actually plays defense at an all-NBA level. And he's a dog. He's a much better player than Turner, though I would also love him too so maybe that can happen in lieu or in conjunction. Oladipo would be our 2nd best player by a lot if he came here. Like I said, he was pushing into Wade territory before the injury. 23-5-4 and led the league in steals. He made all-NBA and all-defensive teams. People have short memories. He's still just 27 y/o.

Olidipo has had 1 good season his entire NBA career.

Olidipos injury was FAR worse than Haywards. And it could happen again. It essentially ended both Barkley and Parkers careers.

And even ignoring that, before his injury Dipo was putting up 18, 5 and 5 on 42% and 34%.
Compare that to Smart this season at 14, 4 and 5 on 38% and 35%

He was no where near his previous seasons production, which makes that 1 good season he had seem far more like an outlier on his career.

[100proof]

Very unpopular trade.

Mike D'Antoni is probably the next Sixers coach. He wants shooters, small lineup, and that's it...

We need size, playmaking and defense.

Spoiler:

If Simmons would agree to be a center (as he should be) I think everyone would gladly trade for him.
Kemba and Hayward and picks would all be available.