OT: Dipo wants out of Indiana

[yungmasaiah]

FVV right now at 25: 17.6ppg/4reb/6.6ast/2stl eFG% .507
Oladipo in his best season 2 yrs ago at 25: 23.1ppg/5.2reb/4.3ast/2.4stl eFG%.537
Oladipo now at 27: 14.5ppg/4reb/3ast/1stl eFG% .461
Norm now at 27: 16ppg/ 3.7reb/2ast/1.2stl eFG% .586

Fred's current stats are almost on par with Oladipo's prime stats and he still hasnt hit his prime yet. Risking fred for a year of a dude who may never even reach 80% of what he used to be has to be one of the dumbest ideas ever. The only package that would actually make sense for both teams would be a package around Norm since we most likely wont be retaining Norm anyways because of Giannis goal.Plus Oladipo's market value is being overvalued for a player who just coming off serious injury and wants out of his team. Fred and Siakam will be two huge parts in our pitch in 2021 and risking that for one year of Oladipo is a big nope. If we get Oladipo for Norm and Oladipo comes back full strength with us by 2021 playoffs, then we can talk about trading FVV....

Not to mention Oladipo was the first option on his team while Fred is the 3rd option on this team.

[StopitLeo]

FVV right now at 25: 17.6ppg/4reb/6.6ast/2stl eFG% .507
Oladipo in his best season 2 yrs ago at 25: 23.1ppg/5.2reb/4.3ast/2.4stl eFG%.537
Oladipo now at 27: 14.5ppg/4reb/3ast/1stl eFG% .461
Norm now at 27: 16ppg/ 3.7reb/2ast/1.2stl eFG% .586

Fred's current stats are almost on par with Oladipo's prime stats and he still hasnt hit his prime yet. Risking fred for a year of a dude who may never even reach 80% of what he used to be has to be one of the dumbest ideas ever. The only package that would actually make sense for both teams would be a package around Norm since we most likely wont be retaining Norm anyways because of Giannis goal.Plus Oladipo's market value is being overvalued for a player who just coming off serious injury and wants out of his team. Fred and Siakam will be two huge parts in our pitch in 2021 and risking that for one year of Oladipo is a big nope. If we get Oladipo for Norm and Oladipo comes back full strength with us by 2021 playoffs, then we can talk about trading FVV....

Not to mention Oladipo was the first option on his team while Fred is the 3rd option on this team.

I agree. I don’t see why Indiana would want Fred when they signed Brogdon last year. Norm makes more sense. He is better than Lamb (who tore his ACL last year) and McDermott so that’s an upgrade and is pretty good value if they “need” to move Oladipo.

Oladipo isn't the big wing I think Toronto needs but he is a much better SG than anyone current on the roster. I do question whether he would help or hinder Terence Davis’ development though.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

FVV right now at 25: 17.6ppg/4reb/6.6ast/2stl eFG% .507
Oladipo in his best season 2 yrs ago at 25: 23.1ppg/5.2reb/4.3ast/2.4stl eFG%.537
Oladipo now at 27: 14.5ppg/4reb/3ast/1stl eFG% .461
Norm now at 27: 16ppg/ 3.7reb/2ast/1.2stl eFG% .586

Fred's current stats are almost on par with Oladipo's prime stats and he still hasnt hit his prime yet. Risking fred for a year of a dude who may never even reach 80% of what he used to be has to be one of the dumbest ideas ever. The only package that would actually make sense for both teams would be a package around Norm since we most likely wont be retaining Norm anyways because of Giannis goal.Plus Oladipo's market value is being overvalued for a player who just coming off serious injury and wants out of his team. Fred and Siakam will be two huge parts in our pitch in 2021 and risking that for one year of Oladipo is a big nope. If we get Oladipo for Norm and Oladipo comes back full strength with us by 2021 playoffs, then we can talk about trading FVV....

Not to mention Oladipo was the first option on his team while Fred is the 3rd option on this team.

FVV is 26 and will be 27 in Feb in the new season.

safe to say FVV is in his prime.

[Sandman88]

FVV right now at 25: 17.6ppg/4reb/6.6ast/2stl eFG% .507
Oladipo in his best season 2 yrs ago at 25: 23.1ppg/5.2reb/4.3ast/2.4stl eFG%.537
Oladipo now at 27: 14.5ppg/4reb/3ast/1stl eFG% .461
Norm now at 27: 16ppg/ 3.7reb/2ast/1.2stl eFG% .586

Fred's current stats are almost on par with Oladipo's prime stats and he still hasnt hit his prime yet. Risking fred for a year of a dude who may never even reach 80% of what he used to be has to be one of the dumbest ideas ever. The only package that would actually make sense for both teams would be a package around Norm since we most likely wont be retaining Norm anyways because of Giannis goal.Plus Oladipo's market value is being overvalued for a player who just coming off serious injury and wants out of his team. Fred and Siakam will be two huge parts in our pitch in 2021 and risking that for one year of Oladipo is a big nope. If we get Oladipo for Norm and Oladipo comes back full strength with us by 2021 playoffs, then we can talk about trading FVV....

Not to mention Oladipo was the first option on his team while Fred is the 3rd option on this team.

Fred’s a midget dude, he’s not gonna be much better than what he is now. Dipo needs time to recover from the myriad of injuries he’s had. I expect him to have a big bounce back year and a rigorous offseason of training

[zimpy27]

Indiana really wants a defensive perimeter big to mix it with Sabonis and Siakam is probably the best fit there.

I think Oladipo and Turner for Siakam and McCaw should be strongly considered.

This trade makes sense if Raptors are really serious on chasing Giannis:
- Turner earns 13m less than Siakam and would be the main contract left on the books in 2021 FA
- The 13m less for Turner in 2021 allows Raptors to pay 5/130 deals to both FVV and Oladipo and still keep money open for Giannis
- Turner is an ideal fit with Giannis at the C
- OG and TD2 would be capholds and paid whatever to be kept.
FVV, Oladipo, OG, Giannis, Turner - TD2


Plus the lineup for next season looks nice.
Lowry - FVV
Oladipo - TD2
Powell - RHJ
OG - Boucher
Turner - Ibaka

OMG that would be a steal. And I'm not undervaluing Siakam here but that is seriously a steal. Myles Turner is a prototypical NBA big, with range, mobility, rebounds and probably top 5 in rim protection. Oladipo is a gamble in terms of injuries and getting back to top form, but this trade would probably ask for a couple 1st rounders.

It maybe won't take that much more. Sabonis is a difficult player to find a match for defensively. Sabonis is an anchor big that doesn't shot block much so you need a mobile big on the perimeter with some help defense abilities for shot blocking. Siakam is one of the few that can do that and he's tied up for many years. Plus offensively he would work with Sabonis. I don't think anyone in the league would fit better.

It might be a bargain but I can bet indiana would do it.

[fbalmeida]

Powell + Ibaka (sign and trade) + stuff for Oladipo and Turner.

I think this is doable and would be good. We'd get younger at the 5 with Turner and get a fantastic 2-way player and shot-creator of Nigerian stock to play 25 to 30 minutes.

[team edward]

FVV right now at 25: 17.6ppg/4reb/6.6ast/2stl eFG% .507
Oladipo in his best season 2 yrs ago at 25: 23.1ppg/5.2reb/4.3ast/2.4stl eFG%.537
Oladipo now at 27: 14.5ppg/4reb/3ast/1stl eFG% .461
Norm now at 27: 16ppg/ 3.7reb/2ast/1.2stl eFG% .586

Fred's current stats are almost on par with Oladipo's prime stats and he still hasnt hit his prime yet. Risking fred for a year of a dude who may never even reach 80% of what he used to be has to be one of the dumbest ideas ever. The only package that would actually make sense for both teams would be a package around Norm since we most likely wont be retaining Norm anyways because of Giannis goal.Plus Oladipo's market value is being overvalued for a player who just coming off serious injury and wants out of his team. Fred and Siakam will be two huge parts in our pitch in 2021 and risking that for one year of Oladipo is a big nope. If we get Oladipo for Norm and Oladipo comes back full strength with us by 2021 playoffs, then we can talk about trading FVV....

Not to mention Oladipo was the first option on his team while Fred is the 3rd option on this team.

I agree. I don’t see why Indiana would want Fred when they signed Brogdon last year. Norm makes more sense. He is better than Lamb (who tore his ACL last year) and McDermott so that’s an upgrade and is pretty good value if they “need” to move Oladipo.

Oladipo isn't the big wing I think Toronto needs but he is a much better SG than anyone current on the roster. I do question whether he would help or hinder Terence Davis’ development though.

OK so it would be Norm and picks. They can’t trade Oladipo for “nothing” (although I think Norm is awesome).

Maybe they also get TD2. His value is still high - 2nd team rookie and not playing in the PO can be explained away.

Norm, TD2 and Johnson for salary etc. And this year’s first. We don’t want the first round pick salary commitment anyway. That’s fair to me but Indy fans would expect OG I assume (not gonna happen).

Or they can trade for Haywood although why Boston would trade Haywood away idk.

Keep Serge and Fred. Figure out Giannis later.

Kyle or Fred
Oladipo
OG
Pascal
Serge

That’s a good team that can win in the regular season and contend in the PO, you would need VO or PS or both to elevate their game to advance.

[zimpy27]

If you could keep all of Lowry, Dipo, FVV and you had 270m collectively to commit to them over 5 years each.

What would they likely get?

I had FVV at 100m/5 until he's 31 years old, Dipo at 100m/5 until 33 years old, Lowry at 70m/5 until 40 years old

Does that sound right?

[LBJKB24MJ23]

FVV right now at 25: 17.6ppg/4reb/6.6ast/2stl eFG% .507
Oladipo in his best season 2 yrs ago at 25: 23.1ppg/5.2reb/4.3ast/2.4stl eFG%.537
Oladipo now at 27: 14.5ppg/4reb/3ast/1stl eFG% .461
Norm now at 27: 16ppg/ 3.7reb/2ast/1.2stl eFG% .586

Fred's current stats are almost on par with Oladipo's prime stats and he still hasnt hit his prime yet. Risking fred for a year of a dude who may never even reach 80% of what he used to be has to be one of the dumbest ideas ever. The only package that would actually make sense for both teams would be a package around Norm since we most likely wont be retaining Norm anyways because of Giannis goal.Plus Oladipo's market value is being overvalued for a player who just coming off serious injury and wants out of his team. Fred and Siakam will be two huge parts in our pitch in 2021 and risking that for one year of Oladipo is a big nope. If we get Oladipo for Norm and Oladipo comes back full strength with us by 2021 playoffs, then we can talk about trading FVV....

Not to mention Oladipo was the first option on his team while Fred is the 3rd option on this team.

I agree. I don’t see why Indiana would want Fred when they signed Brogdon last year. Norm makes more sense. He is better than Lamb (who tore his ACL last year) and McDermott so that’s an upgrade and is pretty good value if they “need” to move Oladipo.

Oladipo isn't the big wing I think Toronto needs but he is a much better SG than anyone current on the roster. I do question whether he would help or hinder Terence Davis’ development though.

OK so it would be Norm and picks. They can’t trade Oladipo for “nothing” (although I think Norm is awesome).

Maybe they also get TD2. His value is still high - 2nd team rookie and not playing in the PO can be explained away.

Norm, TD2 and Johnson for salary etc. And this year’s first. We don’t want the first round pick salary commitment anyway. That’s fair to me but Indy fans would expect OG I assume (not gonna happen).

Or they can trade for Haywood although why Boston would trade Haywood away idk.

Keep Serge and Fred. Figure out Giannis later.

Kyle or Fred
Oladipo
OG
Pascal
Serge

That’s a good team that can win in the regular season and contend in the PO, you would need VO or PS or both to elevate their game to advance.

FVV for Oladipo. keeps the roster open for 2 max contracts in the 2021 offseason. Oladipo can be re-upped or renounced.

[fbalmeida]

The ability of some Raptors fans in undervaluing their own players never ceases to amaze me. On their board, the Pacers are thinking OG and Siakam would be a fair price for Oladipo alone. LBJKB24MJ23 is here suggesting that the best defensive-minded point-guard with the 3rd highest value over replacement and net-impact in the league for PG's under 30, is worth a potentially damaged Oladipo.

smgdh.

for shame

[Steelo Green]

The ability of some Raptors fans in undervaluing their own players never ceases to amaze me. On their board, the Pacers are thinking OG and Siakam would be a fair price for Oladipo alone. LBJKB24MJ23 is here suggesting that the best defensive-minded point-guard with the 3rd highest value over replacement and net-impact in the league for PG's under 30, is worth a potentially damaged Oladipo.

smgdh.

for shame

The best defensive minded point guard is who? Fred? I don’t see his name on any defensive teams.

Nice cherry picking stats as well.

[tecumseh18]

The ability of some Raptors fans in undervaluing their own players never ceases to amaze me. On their board, the Pacers are thinking OG and Siakam would be a fair price for Oladipo alone. LBJKB24MJ23 is here suggesting that the best defensive-minded point-guard with the 3rd highest value over replacement and net-impact in the league for PG's under 30, is worth a potentially damaged Oladipo.

smgdh.

for shame

Especially with Lowry undoubtedly declining, Raps are going to need a PG EXACTLY LIKE FRED in the next few seasons. So to give him up for a mystery box who will probably be worse makes no sense.

Have to laugh at outsiders always ready to pounce on OG and Pascal. Masai refused to give up either or both for the Kawhi rental last season, contrary to ESPN speculation (and my deepest fears. When I say it was Jak going the other way, I let out a whoop that woke the family at 5:30 am).

[Mattatron]

Nah don't want him anymore. His quad injury is a major concern. I prefer to trade Norm for a 1stRound Pick 2021. Resign Fred at all costs. Searching for a solution with Serge and we're fine. Pls no panic moves. It's the last thing we need. We don't have to compete upcoming season. Just enjoy the ride and trust the development of some other players. Just play a attractive season.

[icoholic]

The ability of some Raptors fans in undervaluing their own players never ceases to amaze me. On their board, the Pacers are thinking OG and Siakam would be a fair price for Oladipo alone. LBJKB24MJ23 is here suggesting that the best defensive-minded point-guard with the 3rd highest value over replacement and net-impact in the league for PG's under 30, is worth a potentially damaged Oladipo.

smgdh.

for shame

Lol... I wouldn't take Oladipo for Powell.

[Merit]

I wouldn’t sign and trade fred to Indiana, but a deal with norm and parts for dipo makes a lot of sense. High risk, high reward.

[Merit]

Norm/McCaw/RHJ for Dipo works in the checker.

Indiana doesn’t have a coach right now. Depending on whom they sign they might go full rebuild. If that’s the case - Turner and Brogdon are two players I would consider trading FVV for.

[fbalmeida]

The ability of some Raptors fans in undervaluing their own players never ceases to amaze me. On their board, the Pacers are thinking OG and Siakam would be a fair price for Oladipo alone. LBJKB24MJ23 is here suggesting that the best defensive-minded point-guard with the 3rd highest value over replacement and net-impact in the league for PG's under 30, is worth a potentially damaged Oladipo.

smgdh.

for shame

The best defensive minded point guard is who? Fred? I don’t see his name on any defensive teams.

Nice cherry picking stats as well.

Are you telling me you'd prefer Beverly or Bledsoe over Fred on your roster?

[fbalmeida]

The ability of some Raptors fans in undervaluing their own players never ceases to amaze me. On their board, the Pacers are thinking OG and Siakam would be a fair price for Oladipo alone. LBJKB24MJ23 is here suggesting that the best defensive-minded point-guard with the 3rd highest value over replacement and net-impact in the league for PG's under 30, is worth a potentially damaged Oladipo.

smgdh.

for shame

Lol... I wouldn't take Oladipo for Powell.

If Oladipo wants out, they'll have to sell low. I'd do Powell + Davis in a heartbeat.

[Pointgod]

Can we get Oladipo and still maintain max capspace for Giannis? I’d feel a lot more comfortable letting Fred go if we can get Oladipo. He would also be an attractive piece to get Giannis here during free agency.

[B-Ball Freak]

If Oladipo wants out, they'll have to sell low. I'd do Powell + Davis in a heartbeat.

I'd do that too, you could even throw a second rounder in there to seal the deal.