2020 NBA Draft Thread

[Duke4life831]

I don't follow college ball... The nba season and mlb already take up too much of my time.... Lol!

I say draft nothing but bigs. I think it's easier to hit once when you get 4 shots as opposed to trying to hit 4 different marks.

Vernon carney question. He's a big strong dude, but he catches lobs, he shotblocks, and floats around under the rim. Occasionally hooks. Am I missing something, or is there no value in that, especially when he have rw3 that can basically do the same.

there aren't more than a handful of dudes his size with his soft touch, inside game, ability to run the floor, with high BBIQ and who can pass. It's hard judging Duke players because Coach K is a fraud, especially lately, who never seems to get the most out of his players or win as much as he should considering the elite talent he recruits year in year out. But I watched every game I could and was always impressed with how he moved on offense and even occasionally he flashed on defense despite being slower of foot. If Baynes can carve out a pretty damn good career in the NBA so can Vernon.
I think he needs to lose some fat and get leaner which should improve his defense. As is he'd struggle mightily. But that's why so many are bad at evaluating prospects, because they view what these players are at 19 y/o instead of what they could be at 24 y/o. I'd use one of our last picks on him if he shows up to workouts looking svelte. Because that would prove he's taking this seriously and wants to improve. If he shows up in the same shape or worse, I'd only take a second round flier on him.

He doesnt run the court well though, he is very slow footed. He is also probably the worst PnR defender Duke has had in quite sometime, and that includes Okafor.

His block shots mostly came early in the season against horrible small teams and the vast majority of his blocked shots were when he was able to just camp out under the rim (college doesnt have a defensive 3 seconds). He is far closer to the next Kanter than he is the next Baynes. There just isnt much to his game that screams current day NBA.

[Roddy B for 3]

Boston is up for pick #14 in the NBA draft forum mock. If you can cast a vote there and give some input we'd all appreciate it.

[chrisab123]

Trade all the picks and Hayward for someone that is a difference maker. Celtics have no business making another draft pick.

[darylbe]

And again, rw3 kind of chills under the rim. But he gets blocks bc his long ass arms, is fast, and jumps freaking high. I can see him doing well at pnr.

I do think there are other bugs for each of our slots, not smaller, just underweight, lacking strength, but mobile.

If ainge can't package these together for more than a 1 year rental, I'd take these types of bogs every time.

I don't think Varney is ainges type anyway. But good point, if he did show up fitter, more versatile.

[winsomme2]

I don't follow college ball... The nba season and mlb already take up too much of my time.... Lol!

I say draft nothing but bigs. I think it's easier to hit once when you get 4 shots as opposed to trying to hit 4 different marks.

Vernon carney question. He's a big strong dude, but he catches lobs, he shotblocks, and floats around under the rim. Occasionally hooks. Am I missing something, or is there no value in that, especially when he have rw3 that can basically do the same.

there aren't more than a handful of dudes his size with his soft touch, inside game, ability to run the floor, with high BBIQ and who can pass. It's hard judging Duke players because Coach K is a fraud, especially lately, who never seems to get the most out of his players or win as much as he should considering the elite talent he recruits year in year out. But I watched every game I could and was always impressed with how he moved on offense and even occasionally he flashed on defense despite being slower of foot. If Baynes can carve out a pretty damn good career in the NBA so can Vernon.
I think he needs to lose some fat and get leaner which should improve his defense. As is he'd struggle mightily. But that's why so many are bad at evaluating prospects, because they view what these players are at 19 y/o instead of what they could be at 24 y/o. I'd use one of our last picks on him if he shows up to workouts looking svelte. Because that would prove he's taking this seriously and wants to improve. If he shows up in the same shape or worse, I'd only take a second round flier on him.

He doesnt run the court well though, he is very slow footed. He is also probably the worst PnR defender Duke has had in quite sometime, and that includes Okafor.

His block shots mostly came early in the season against horrible small teams and the vast majority of his blocked shots were when he was able to just camp out under the rim (college doesnt have a defensive 3 seconds). He is far closer to the next Kanter than he is the next Baynes. There just isnt much to his game that screams current day NBA.

To me Vernon Carey seems like a Thomas Bryant. He's not at the top of my wish list but I wouldn't be completely opposed to drafting him late first or early second round.

Cassius Stanley on the other hand would be a great pick up at 30 depending on how the earlier picks play out.

[31to6]

If we’re looking for a big with one of our late firsts Zeke Nnaji continues to interest me, as does Daniel Oturu if he’s available.

[100proof]

there aren't more than a handful of dudes his size with his soft touch, inside game, ability to run the floor, with high BBIQ and who can pass. It's hard judging Duke players because Coach K is a fraud, especially lately, who never seems to get the most out of his players or win as much as he should considering the elite talent he recruits year in year out. But I watched every game I could and was always impressed with how he moved on offense and even occasionally he flashed on defense despite being slower of foot. If Baynes can carve out a pretty damn good career in the NBA so can Vernon.
I think he needs to lose some fat and get leaner which should improve his defense. As is he'd struggle mightily. But that's why so many are bad at evaluating prospects, because they view what these players are at 19 y/o instead of what they could be at 24 y/o. I'd use one of our last picks on him if he shows up to workouts looking svelte. Because that would prove he's taking this seriously and wants to improve. If he shows up in the same shape or worse, I'd only take a second round flier on him.

He doesnt run the court well though, he is very slow footed. He is also probably the worst PnR defender Duke has had in quite sometime, and that includes Okafor.

His block shots mostly came early in the season against horrible small teams and the vast majority of his blocked shots were when he was able to just camp out under the rim (college doesnt have a defensive 3 seconds). He is far closer to the next Kanter than he is the next Baynes. There just isnt much to his game that screams current day NBA.

To me Vernon Carey seems like a Thomas Bryant. He's not at the top of my wish list but I wouldn't be completely opposed to drafting him late first or early second round.

Cassius Stanley on the other hand would be a great pick up at 30 depending on how the earlier picks play out.

I dont see it with Carey, but then again, I would be very interested in what he has been working on since the lockdown.

If he extends his range and improves foot speed he could be an absolute steal.

More of a demarcus cousins playstyle.

[Bleeding Green]

Uhh I think it’s pretty obvious that NBA gms are increasingly viewing guys as what they will be in 5 years and not currently, hence why so many one and dones are picked highly in drafts lol.

It’s the exact opposite of what you said lmaooo. In fact, you could argue much better players are being passed on GMs because front offices are viewing 19 yrs old as what they can be at 24 yrs old and just drafting off of potential.

If you think current GMs aren’t drafting off of potential than in prior years I genuinely have no idea if you follow the draft.

I think a lot of bad GMs do this. Why does it matter what a player is after their rookie-scale contract? Great, you just developed a player for 5 years and now he can go play wherever he wants. That's cool if you can lock him up, and you have the advantage of bird-rights and all that, but if you draft a 19 year old and he takes an extra year or two to really develop, you have to decide whether to lock him up maybe before he's really shown that he's going to be a good player. So you sign him and maybe he develops like Jaylen Brown or Jamal Murray, or maybe he just keeps being Andrew Wiggins or maybe you have to give Embiid a max extension after he plays just 31 NBA games (insane risk). Look at Dejounte Murray, he's barely played and the Spurs basically had to give him 64 million. Getting max value out of that rookie-scale contract is massive. Jazz, Celtics, Nuggets, Raptors are killing it from all the surplus value they've gotten out of Tatum/Brown/Don Mitchell/Jamal Murray/Jokic/Siakam/FVV. It's kind of why the Sixers are where they are, they've gotten abysmal value from their rookie-scale deals. Embiid and Simmons may both be on their way to the HOF, but combined they played less than Tatum will on his rookie contract.

Look at the 2017 draft. Orlando has to decide on Fultz and Issac. Pelicans on Ball. Sacramento on Fox. And more. All these guys I expect to have much better careers than Kyle Kuzma, but the Lakers got all his cheap years and he was a good rotational piece immediately. And now they can let him go to some bumass organization that wants to win 39 games a year forever. Kelly Olynyk a few years ago, same situation. Not a high upside player, but the Celtics got all his cheap years and he was a 20+ mpg guy from Game 1 of his rookie-scale contract. Say all you want about Olynyk, but they got 14.7 WS for 9 million dollars spread out over 4 years. Probably top-3 value in that specific draft. Oladipo is obviously way better, but it took him until his fifth year to really breakout (after he already signed his 84 million dollar contract, and now on his third team). Kyle Lowry, Chauncey Billups. Great players, fringe HOF at worst. Did jack **** on their rookie deals and their teams moved on from them.

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[themoneyteam2]

RJ Hampton please. Highest upside player who will likely be there at 14. Stupid athletic, great size, and has been working with Mike Miller during the quarantine to improve his shot. He also eld the EYBL in scoring and was a projected top 5 pick before going to Australia to play. Looks like he has the ability to improve to be a great defender too with his size and quickness.

Let him develop behind Kemba for a few years while also being 9th or 10th man on the team

[Bleeding Green]

Tillman is maybe a big I'd take at 30 and def at 47 in lieu of another tiny point guard. Unique enough player with upside. Doesn't look like a massive high flyer but good laterally. Bigs who average 3+ assists almost always are good defenders in the NBA. Definitely a lot more intriguing than Carey, Stewart, Azubuike or Nnaji for bigs to me.

Tillie looks interesting too, I see him mocked all over the place, maybe he'd even be there at 47, but I think I'd rather Tillie go to a really bad team that can just let him ball out. He's been like the #1 stat monster by most stat-based college mocks for three years now. Short, weak, not really that athletic outside of being pretty quick, but the shooting, passing, skill level is awesome. Hoping he goes somewhere that can play him a lot of minutes and just let him playmake on both ends. He'll make more plays in his first game than Semi has in his career, but also might be terrible due to inability to finish inside and injury concerns. He could be nutso in PnR, PnP, though. When is the last time the Celtics had a roll-man who could make perfect passes directly off the catch or step back and hit from three?

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[Roddy]

No need to trade for Myles Turner. We need to get this guy.

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[Duke4life831]

No need to trade for Myles Turner. We need to get this guy.

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Big fan of his. I think he is going to be a more athletic Theis.

[100proof]

No need to trade for Myles Turner. We need to get this guy.

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Well if he is 1/10th of what Turner can be then he will be going at pick 1 in the draft. according to Pacer fans at least.

Wonder how far down he is still available?

[SmartWentCrazy]

I wouldnt mind trading up for Haliburton. Big fan of his game.

[JHTruth]

I wouldnt mind trading up for Haliburton. Big fan of his game.

Me too. Bleacher Report thinks that's an obvious trade for the Pistons to make. We move all our picks for the 7. They move back and grab say Kira Lewis and two more players. I'd like to move Hayward for the No 2, Wiggins, and filler. We then draft Deni Avdija. Then get ready for a decade of contention..

[SmartWentCrazy]

Deni sucks

[Feed Your Head]

I wouldnt mind trading up for Haliburton. Big fan of his game.

I’ve alluded to this in a couple of posts, but they LOVE him.

[djFan71]

I wouldnt mind trading up for Haliburton. Big fan of his game.

I’ve alluded to this in a couple of posts, but they LOVE him.

I saw those and went and watched some vids. I'm on board now.
Love his size and passing.