OT: Dipo wants out of Indiana

[720]

No way am I giving up serious assets for **** Oladipo. Guy is a b tier star that's coming off of two serious injuries.

[h4rrison]

Can we get Oladipo and still maintain max capspace for Giannis? I’d feel a lot more comfortable letting Fred go if we can get Oladipo. He would also be an attractive piece to get Giannis here during free agency.

I think so but we'd have to get the timing right. By the end of the season, both Lowry/Oladipo should be off the books. Then we can sign Giannis and then go over the cap to resign both Oladipo/Lowry if I'm not mistaken.

[nabbs]

The best offer we could make is Norm, TD, salary filler plus a future first or two future seconds for Dipo. That's the max imo. You definitely try to see what his value his.

He is exactly what this team needs. A secondary creator with size that can score at all 3 levels. Raps would have to review the medicals and consult with the whole staff and Alex if they believe they can rehab him and keep him healthy. I'd imagine load managing would be in the cards for him as well.


I am not sure we have the most competitive offer but I mean TD is easily a first rounder if you re-do the draft and Norm is an easy 15ppg scorer. Plus you give them some draft capital. I'd say fair haul for a guy like Dipo but depends on who we are bidding against.


If it doesnt work, you didn't mortgage our future and let him walk. If it does work, you basically pitch Giannis on a Siakam/Dipo/Giannis trio and if he agrees, sign Giannis first and then use bird rights to sign Dipo

[DelAbbot]

a bit off topic but wouldn't Mike D'Antoni be ideal coach for the Pacers, with all their shooting and young guns pushing up the pace (no pun intended)?

[DelAbbot]

The best offer we could make is Norm, TD, salary filler plus a future first or two future seconds for Dipo. That's the max imo. You definitely try to see what his value his.

He is exactly what this team needs. A secondary creator with size that can score at all 3 levels. Raps would have to review the medicals and consult with the whole staff and Alex if they believe they can rehab him and keep him healthy. I'd imagine load managing would be in the cards for him as well.


I am not sure we have the most competitive offer but I mean TD is easily a first rounder if you re-do the draft and Norm is an easy 15ppg scorer. Plus you give them some draft capital. I'd say fair haul for a guy like Dipo but depends on who we are bidding against.


If it doesnt work, you didn't mortgage our future and let him walk. If it does work, you basically pitch Giannis on a Siakam/Dipo/Giannis trio and if he agrees, sign Giannis first and then use bird rights to sign Dipo

That is a fair trade proposal. Would it also mean we have to let FVV walk if we get Dipo?

[Zeno]

The best offer we could make is Norm, TD, salary filler plus a future first or two future seconds for Dipo. That's the max imo. You definitely try to see what his value his.

He is exactly what this team needs. A secondary creator with size that can score at all 3 levels. Raps would have to review the medicals and consult with the whole staff and Alex if they believe they can rehab him and keep him healthy. I'd imagine load managing would be in the cards for him as well.


I am not sure we have the most competitive offer but I mean TD is easily a first rounder if you re-do the draft and Norm is an easy 15ppg scorer. Plus you give them some draft capital. I'd say fair haul for a guy like Dipo but depends on who we are bidding against.


If it doesnt work, you didn't mortgage our future and let him walk. If it does work, you basically pitch Giannis on a Siakam/Dipo/Giannis trio and if he agrees, sign Giannis first and then use bird rights to sign Dipo

I think you'd be pitching Dipo/OG/Siakam/ Giannis big 4. FVV would have to be traded to make room for Giannis if you kept Dipo.

[DreamTeam09]

The best offer we could make is Norm, TD, salary filler plus a future first or two future seconds for Dipo. That's the max imo. You definitely try to see what his value his.

He is exactly what this team needs. A secondary creator with size that can score at all 3 levels. Raps would have to review the medicals and consult with the whole staff and Alex if they believe they can rehab him and keep him healthy. I'd imagine load managing would be in the cards for him as well.


I am not sure we have the most competitive offer but I mean TD is easily a first rounder if you re-do the draft and Norm is an easy 15ppg scorer. Plus you give them some draft capital. I'd say fair haul for a guy like Dipo but depends on who we are bidding against.


If it doesnt work, you didn't mortgage our future and let him walk. If it does work, you basically pitch Giannis on a Siakam/Dipo/Giannis trio and if he agrees, sign Giannis first and then use bird rights to sign Dipo

That is a fair trade proposal. Would it also mean we have to let FVV walk if we get Dipo?

we could SNT FVV for someones contract that doesn't extend past next summer, or has a really low cap hit.

OR SNT FVV for dipo himself if indy prefers.

[Steelo Green]

The ability of some Raptors fans in undervaluing their own players never ceases to amaze me. On their board, the Pacers are thinking OG and Siakam would be a fair price for Oladipo alone. LBJKB24MJ23 is here suggesting that the best defensive-minded point-guard with the 3rd highest value over replacement and net-impact in the league for PG's under 30, is worth a potentially damaged Oladipo.

smgdh.

for shame

The best defensive minded point guard is who? Fred? I don’t see his name on any defensive teams.

Nice cherry picking stats as well.

Are you telling me you'd prefer Beverly or Bledsoe over Fred on your roster?

You said he’s the best defensive minded PG.

I would take about 20 PGs over Fred.

[Rapsfan07]

The best offer we could make is Norm, TD, salary filler plus a future first or two future seconds for Dipo. That's the max imo. You definitely try to see what his value his.

He is exactly what this team needs. A secondary creator with size that can score at all 3 levels. Raps would have to review the medicals and consult with the whole staff and Alex if they believe they can rehab him and keep him healthy. I'd imagine load managing would be in the cards for him as well.


I am not sure we have the most competitive offer but I mean TD is easily a first rounder if you re-do the draft and Norm is an easy 15ppg scorer. Plus you give them some draft capital. I'd say fair haul for a guy like Dipo but depends on who we are bidding against.


If it doesnt work, you didn't mortgage our future and let him walk. If it does work, you basically pitch Giannis on a Siakam/Dipo/Giannis trio and if he agrees, sign Giannis first and then use bird rights to sign Dipo

That is a fair trade proposal. Would it also mean we have to let FVV walk if we get Dipo?

Not necessarily. We'd be a tax team though with Lowry, FVV, Siakam and Dipo all making big money.

[Pointgod]

Can we get Oladipo and still maintain max capspace for Giannis? I’d feel a lot more comfortable letting Fred go if we can get Oladipo. He would also be an attractive piece to get Giannis here during free agency.

I think so but we'd have to get the timing right. By the end of the season, both Lowry/Oladipo should be off the books. Then we can sign Giannis and then go over the cap to resign both Oladipo/Lowry if I'm not mistaken.

I think both Lowry and Oladipo’s cap holds will be something insane like 80 million because I think cap holds are 1.5 times the salary. I think we’d have to renounce Lowry for sure but not 100% about Oladipo’s cap hold. We might have renounce and resign.

[h4rrison]

Can we get Oladipo and still maintain max capspace for Giannis? I’d feel a lot more comfortable letting Fred go if we can get Oladipo. He would also be an attractive piece to get Giannis here during free agency.

I think so but we'd have to get the timing right. By the end of the season, both Lowry/Oladipo should be off the books. Then we can sign Giannis and then go over the cap to resign both Oladipo/Lowry if I'm not mistaken.

I think both Lowry and Oladipo’s cap holds will be something insane like 80 million because I think cap holds are 1.5 times the salary. I think we’d have to renounce Lowry for sure but not 100% about Oladipo’s cap hold. We might have renounce and resign.

If we renounce Lowry, would we only be able to offer him a contract based off available cap space?

[Rapsfan07]

The best offer we could make is Norm, TD, salary filler plus a future first or two future seconds for Dipo. That's the max imo. You definitely try to see what his value his.

He is exactly what this team needs. A secondary creator with size that can score at all 3 levels. Raps would have to review the medicals and consult with the whole staff and Alex if they believe they can rehab him and keep him healthy. I'd imagine load managing would be in the cards for him as well.


I am not sure we have the most competitive offer but I mean TD is easily a first rounder if you re-do the draft and Norm is an easy 15ppg scorer. Plus you give them some draft capital. I'd say fair haul for a guy like Dipo but depends on who we are bidding against.


If it doesnt work, you didn't mortgage our future and let him walk. If it does work, you basically pitch Giannis on a Siakam/Dipo/Giannis trio and if he agrees, sign Giannis first and then use bird rights to sign Dipo

I think you'd be pitching Dipo/OG/Siakam/ Giannis big 4. FVV would have to be traded to make room for Giannis if you kept Dipo.

That's if you decide to pursue Giannis through Free Agency, which I don't think is the smartest way. Or the likeliest way either.

If you're Masai, I think you try and figure out how you can add Turner AND Dipo between now and the trade deadline. As of this offseason, I would probably see what Fred is expecting for his new deal and S&T to the Pels for Holiday. Now you have Holiday and Dipo both expiring in 2021. Perfect.

After that, when the deadline comes, you offer Siakiam for Giannis straight up (maybe you offer a protected future first here to seal the deal) with a wink wink confirmation that Giannis will re-sign here. Bucks are going to have a very tough time turning that down. If they do reject the offer, he will become a FA in the offseason. We can bring them the same offer in a S&T for Giannis, which should more or less guarantee he ends up a Raptor.

Your core pieces are now Holiday and Dipo (who will take less money to be a championship contender), Giannis (fresh of a S&T), Turner (who is locked into a cheap long term contract) and OG.

There are way too many overlapping skills between Pascal and Giannis for them to be a plausible fit together.

[SurgeIblocka]

Can we get Oladipo and still maintain max capspace for Giannis? I’d feel a lot more comfortable letting Fred go if we can get Oladipo. He would also be an attractive piece to get Giannis here during free agency.

I think so but we'd have to get the timing right. By the end of the season, both Lowry/Oladipo should be off the books. Then we can sign Giannis and then go over the cap to resign both Oladipo/Lowry if I'm not mistaken.

Nope that is wrong, both Lowry and Oladipo will have big cap holds. Lowry is at 45 Mil alone so we would could not sign with bird rights over cap. Oladipo would be a one year project and its either him or Giannis. So if you see he helps this team be a contender maybe you keep him
And forget about Giannis. You cant have both

[Rapsfan07]

I think so but we'd have to get the timing right. By the end of the season, both Lowry/Oladipo should be off the books. Then we can sign Giannis and then go over the cap to resign both Oladipo/Lowry if I'm not mistaken.

I think both Lowry and Oladipo’s cap holds will be something insane like 80 million because I think cap holds are 1.5 times the salary. I think we’d have to renounce Lowry for sure but not 100% about Oladipo’s cap hold. We might have renounce and resign.

If we renounce Lowry, would we only be able to offer him a contract based off available cap space?

Yes. I personally think we should check Lowry's interest in playing in Philly but if he stays and expires here, we can/will/should renounce his caphold. No way on God's green earth should we be allowing Lowry to take up that much of our capspace.

If Lowry is renounced, we can re-sign Oladipo to something reasonable (I won't go over $25M per) and still have space to offer Giannis something, assuming we did not sign or keep any expensive long term deals on the books other than Siakam.

I said this before in another thread but I actually think a Siakam for Giannis deal makes more sense for us and for the Bucks. There will be far too much overlap in terms of skills and weaknesses between Giannis and Siakam to properly build a team around them. With a S&T, we give MIL the incentive to deal with us and clear our books in the process.

[ruckus]

The best defensive minded point guard is who? Fred? I don’t see his name on any defensive teams.

Nice cherry picking stats as well.

Are you telling me you'd prefer Beverly or Bledsoe over Fred on your roster?

You said he’s the best defensive minded PG.

I would take about 20 PGs over Fred.

Who are the 20?

[SurgeIblocka]

The more i think about it, the more i feel Fred sign and trade for Dipo would be ideal. Allows us more cap space in 2021 rather than using it on Fred this year. This way we could sign Giannis and another player of his liking. Just need to check the numbers if we would have two max spots in 2021based on expiring contracts. Also OG will be up for a big raise as well next year.

[fbalmeida]

The best defensive minded point guard is who? Fred? I don’t see his name on any defensive teams.

Nice cherry picking stats as well.

Are you telling me you'd prefer Beverly or Bledsoe over Fred on your roster?

You said he’s the best defensive minded PG.

I would take about 20 PGs over Fred.

I said he's the best defensive-minded point-guard with the 3rd highest value over replacement and net-impact in the league for PG's under 30.

No, you wouldn't take 20 PGs over Fred. That's simply a statement of ignorance. You just have to actually look at a list of the league's PGs to understand how laughable that statement is.

[Raptorfan2012]

The more i think about it, the more i feel Fred sign and trade for Dipo would be ideal. Allows us more cap space in 2021 rather than using it on Fred this year. This way we could sign Giannis and another player of his liking. Just need to check the numbers if we would have two max spots in 2021based on expiring contracts. Also OG will be up for a big raise as well next year.

Why would Fred want to play in Indy though? He has to want to sign there first. He can just as easily go to NYK or Detroit if he wants. Fred determines what we can get out of any sign and trade (if we even do that with him).

[Pointgod]

Can we get Oladipo and still maintain max capspace for Giannis? I’d feel a lot more comfortable letting Fred go if we can get Oladipo. He would also be an attractive piece to get Giannis here during free agency.

I think so but we'd have to get the timing right. By the end of the season, both Lowry/Oladipo should be off the books. Then we can sign Giannis and then go over the cap to resign both Oladipo/Lowry if I'm not mistaken.

Nope that is wrong, both Lowry and Oladipo will have big cap holds. Lowry is at 45 Mil alone so we would could not sign with bird rights over cap. Oladipo would be a one year project and its either him or Giannis. So if you see he helps this team be a contender maybe you keep him
And forget about Giannis. You cant have both

[Oakvillehoops]

Can anyone in short form explain to me the downside of being a tax team? I’d imagine money itself should never ever be a factor or a problem
For a Toronto based sports team. What are the other implications?