2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2

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[MrFortune3]

Except this would be even more extreme than Nuggets model. Let’s look at their roster from 3 years ago to put them in a place where the Bulls should be now. Of their main rotation guys, they played 4 younger guys and had a host of good vets. The Bulls have a few vets (Only Porter good, but unhealthy) plus LaVine and then 6 younger guys.

VETS
K Faried
Gallinari
W Chandler
W Barton
J. Nelson

YOUNGS
G Harris
E Mudiay
J Murray
N Jokic

The Bulls have

VETS
Thad
Sato
Porter
LaVine (???)

YOUNGS
Coby
WCJ
Lauri
Hutch
Gafford
#4 pick
More draft picks (???)

You forget that the Nuggets brought young talent in bulk. Nurkic, Harris and Jokic were all taken in the same draft(courtesy of the McDermott trade).
2013
They traded Rudy Gobert for Erick Green and cash and then they traded for the #55 pick to draft Joffrey Lauvergne
2014
They traded Doug McDermott for Jusuf Nurkic and Gary Harris and then selected Nikola Jokic
2015
They drafted Emmanuel Mudiay & Nikola Radičević
2016
They drafted Jamal Murray, Juan Hernangómez and Petr Cornelie
2017
They traded Donovan Mitchell for Trey Lyles and still took Vlatko Čančar and Monte Morris.
2018
They drafted Michael Porter Jr, Jarred Vanderbilt & Thomas Welsh
2019
They traded away their 1st rounder to clear Kenneth Faried and traded for the #44 pick to draft Bol Bol

It's not more extreme at all. That's 16 draft picks in 7 seasons. That's not even including them making trades for younger players like Barton.

You’re ignoring their actual roster. I just posted it. They had a lineup full of vets and a few young guys in the rotation.

16 picks in 7 years is nothing special when you’re supposed to have 14.

This team already has too many young guys to groom.

I didn't ignore anything. When they don't trade out, they usually take 3 players regardless of the age of the roster.
The Nuggets bring in talent whenever possible and work on developing it.

[drosereturn]

Lamelo might have a Marion thing going on , most of Ball’s bad % is his shot selection

Ball shot 72% in free throws in a professional league. I think his shot is more fixable than Lonzo and look how well Lonzo is shooting. His 3pt plummeted mostly bc of the terrible shot selection which I agree not bc of the terrible form.

French point guard Killian Hayes, for instance, confirmed that he has interviewed with the Spurs, Wizards, Knicks, Bulls, and Warriors, adding that his agent has told him to expect to come off the board between No. 2 and No. 10 on draft night (Twitter link via Mike Vorkunov of The Athletic).

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/09/draft-rumors-hayes-j-smith-ball-edwards-krejci.html

This does put a smile on my face. Hopefully the Warriors don't pull any shenanigans and allow us to grab Hayes.

I just can't wait for the draft to happen. Reading all of these lazy mock drafts gets stale after awhile without new draft reports that would push or pull a player's draft stock.

And I can't wait to see what AK and Eversley has in store for us.

0% chance Warriors are picking him number 2 when even 4 seems an overpay for a pedestrian pg. Deni seems more likely.
I dont believe Hayes is that good to replace Steph, Klay and its hard to believe he is BPA they will ignore completely positional need and play a 3guard lineup.
Mostly, it will be Knicks picking Ball at 2 and Warriors at 8 if they really liked him and was still available and you can tell Hayes is in the mid lottery range from the fact that Spurs, Wizards, and Knicks interviewed which is 8-11.

[Chi town]

Deni or Hayes. I’d be happy with either one.

[PrimzyBulls81]

Such a poor draft and soo much talking lol.. Boring kinda! Hayes at 4,damn..bar is low

[Ebo21]

AK is too much of an outside the box thinker to draft and keep anyone at #4 in this draft. There’s more value to be had In this draft with multiple late picks than 1 high pick. I expect draft day trade.

[MrFortune3]

AK is too much of an outside the box thinker to draft and keep anyone at #4 in this draft. There’s more value to be had In this draft with multiple late picks than 1 high pick. I expect draft day trade.

They traded down 1 time when he was in Denver and that was in 2014 trading down from #11 for #16 and #19 and a 2015 2nd round pick.

Trade down is not happening. You may as well get over it.

[cjbulls]

You forget that the Nuggets brought young talent in bulk. Nurkic, Harris and Jokic were all taken in the same draft(courtesy of the McDermott trade).
2013
They traded Rudy Gobert for Erick Green and cash and then they traded for the #55 pick to draft Joffrey Lauvergne
2014
They traded Doug McDermott for Jusuf Nurkic and Gary Harris and then selected Nikola Jokic
2015
They drafted Emmanuel Mudiay & Nikola Radičević
2016
They drafted Jamal Murray, Juan Hernangómez and Petr Cornelie
2017
They traded Donovan Mitchell for Trey Lyles and still took Vlatko Čančar and Monte Morris.
2018
They drafted Michael Porter Jr, Jarred Vanderbilt & Thomas Welsh
2019
They traded away their 1st rounder to clear Kenneth Faried and traded for the #44 pick to draft Bol Bol

It's not more extreme at all. That's 16 draft picks in 7 seasons. That's not even including them making trades for younger players like Barton.

You’re ignoring their actual roster. I just posted it. They had a lineup full of vets and a few young guys in the rotation.

16 picks in 7 years is nothing special when you’re supposed to have 14.

This team already has too many young guys to groom.

I didn't ignore anything. When they don't trade out, they usually take 3 players regardless of the age of the roster.
The Nuggets bring in talent whenever possible and work on developing it.

7x3=21, not 16

[MrFortune3]

You’re ignoring their actual roster. I just posted it. They had a lineup full of vets and a few young guys in the rotation.

16 picks in 7 years is nothing special when you’re supposed to have 14.

This team already has too many young guys to groom.

I didn't ignore anything. When they don't trade out, they usually take 3 players regardless of the age of the roster.
The Nuggets bring in talent whenever possible and work on developing it.

7x3=21, not 16

So you ignored the When they don't trade out, they usually take 3 players regardless of the age of the roster. part.

They traded out of the 1st round in 2013, 2017 and 2019.

[CjayC]

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He's talking like he's already on the team.

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He's talking like he's already on the team.

right? he really knows about the Bulls roster.

Either way, I think there is a good chance he's a Bull. He fits a need and with Billy as coach, a 3 guard lineup to close games is possible.

[Dez]

Lamelo might have a Marion thing going on , most of Ball’s bad % is his shot selection

Ball shot 72% in free throws in a professional league. I think his shot is more fixable than Lonzo and look how well Lonzo is shooting. His 3pt plummeted mostly bc of the terrible shot selection which I agree not bc of the terrible form.

Lonzo changed his broken shot, LaMelo is saying that he won't change his shot which is not fixable it needs to be totally overhauled.

His three point percentage sucked because he sucks at shooting, it's not hard to work out.

[cjbulls]

I didn't ignore anything. When they don't trade out, they usually take 3 players regardless of the age of the roster.
The Nuggets bring in talent whenever possible and work on developing it.

7x3=21, not 16

So you ignored the When they don't trade out, they usually take 3 players regardless of the age of the roster. part.

They traded out of the 1st round in 2013, 2017 and 2019.

I saw that but couldn’t believe that’s what you really were going for.

You know when you take out all the games where the Bulls were down after three quarters, they have a .700 winning percentage. They really should have been finals contenders.

If for 3 of the 7 years they trade out of the first round, that’s more of a trend than what you’re trying to say.

[ChettheJet]

This is why you need to be patient

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2002233

First off, the first mock draft was 6 months ago and no one has seen a one of these kids play so much as a game of one on one since so I don't know how people have these new opinions. Any questions about Edwards' professionalism or ability to affect winning should have come out 6 months back when he was playing games not now when he's been at home. Have these experts been watching him at home? But if that's how most everybody is thinking.

If the top 2 teams want to trade down to reduce their risk and committing top 2 money to those guys then they need to find the most desperate teams and make a far smaller trade than they were hoping for before. If a team just doesn't want to see a downside in Edwards Bell or Wiseman they'll be ready to move to the top 2. Let them take the chance on the top 2 question marks.

To me MINN should be looking to trade for a player that has 2 years remaining rather than the expiring contracts everybody else is after aiming for 2021 free agency and get a 2021 draft pick instead of trying to find a lower risk player at 10-16 this year. Look at Randle, Nitlinka, a 2nd this year and the 2021 FRP from the Knicks. Maybe GSW should be looking to get a better player with the same longer contract and be willing to drop out of the first round this year and get a 2nd instead. Maybe that's a three team trade. Charlotte is the interesting one to me. They could take Wiggins and #2 but don't really have the veteran player to help GSW so plug in a third or fourth team.

For the Bulls I sure wouldn't want to trade UP to be the team taking the questionable kids, I doubt moving down from #4 brings back much of a return even if the #7-11 pick would be a good piece to add. I would just as soon stay at #4. Then try to work around into a three team trade for the teams wanting to move up or with the teams 7-14 who after some trade shuffling see MIN or GSW or some other new team picking in right in front of them now taking their guy.

[sco]

This is why you need to be patient

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2002233

First off, the first mock draft was 6 months ago and no one has seen a one of these kids play so much as a game of one on one since so I don't know how people have these new opinions. Any questions about Edwards' professionalism or ability to affect winning should have come out 6 months back when he was playing games not now when he's been at home. Have these experts been watching him at home? But if that's how most everybody is thinking.

If the top 2 teams want to trade down to reduce their risk and committing top 2 money to those guys then they need to find the most desperate teams and make a far smaller trade than they were hoping for before. If a team just doesn't want to see a downside in Edwards Bell or Wiseman they'll be ready to move to the top 2. Let them take the chance on the top 2 question marks.

To me MINN should be looking to trade for a player that has 2 years remaining rather than the expiring contracts everybody else is after aiming for 2021 free agency and get a 2021 draft pick instead of trying to find a lower risk player at 10-16 this year. Look at Randle, Nitlinka, a 2nd this year and the 2021 FRP from the Knicks. Maybe GSW should be looking to get a better player with the same longer contract and be willing to drop out of the first round this year and get a 2nd instead. Maybe that's a three team trade. Charlotte is the interesting one to me. They could take Wiggins and #2 but don't really have the veteran player to help GSW so plug in a third or fourth team.

For the Bulls I sure wouldn't want to trade UP to be the team taking the questionable kids, I doubt moving down from #4 brings back much of a return even if the #7-11 pick would be a good piece to add. I would just as soon stay at #4. Then try to work around into a three team trade for the teams wanting to move up or with the teams 7-14 who after some trade shuffling see MIN or GSW or some other new team picking in right in front of them now taking their guy.

Great points!

I am hoping NY trades up for Ball to save us. I would be doubly excited if GW goes Deni, and CHA takes Wiseman and somehow Edwards falls to us. Edwards could take over as our bench scorer and give him the year to develop. IMO, he's got the highest ceiling talent-wise in the draft, but admittedly, a chucker floor.

[CoreyVillains]

Just uploaded my newest breakdown on one of my favorite second round sleepers, Utah State's Sam Merrill. Now I'm not saying by any means that Merrill is going to be anywhere near Luka, but stylistically watching Merrill play in college was like watching Luka. Think he’d be a great get with our second pick given his skillset and our roster.

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Just uploaded my newest breakdown on one of my favorite second round sleepers, Utah State's Sam Merrill. Now I'm not saying by any means that Merrill is going to be anywhere near Luka, but stylistically watching Merrill play in college was like watching Luka. Think he’d be a great get with our second pick given his skillset and our roster.

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He's also 45 years old

[gardenofsound]

Just uploaded my newest breakdown on one of my favorite second round sleepers, Utah State's Sam Merrill. Now I'm not saying by any means that Merrill is going to be anywhere near Luka, but stylistically watching Merrill play in college was like watching Luka. Think he’d be a great get with our second pick given his skillset and our roster.

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He's also 45 years old

Eh, if AKMEBD like him, an older rookie isn't necessarily a huge red flag. Taj was even older and ended up being more than worth it from his slot in the low '20's. If anything, you're getting a more physically developed player and may get them in their prime while on a rookie deal.

[TheSuzerain]

I'm tempted by Markus Howard in the 2nd round.

He honest to god might be able to average an efficient 20 a game if given minutes/usage.

Of course the rest of his game is not going to be pretty, but the shot tool is special, and he seemingly can get to the line a bit.

[23-7]

Just uploaded my newest breakdown on one of my favorite second round sleepers, Utah State's Sam Merrill. Now I'm not saying by any means that Merrill is going to be anywhere near Luka, but stylistically watching Merrill play in college was like watching Luka. Think he’d be a great get with our second pick given his skillset and our roster.

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He's also 45 years old

Eh, if AKMEBD like him, an older rookie isn't necessarily a huge red flag. Taj was even older and ended up being more than worth it from his slot in the low '20's. If anything, you're getting a more physically developed player and may get them in their prime while on a rookie deal.

Nope: http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=sam-merrill--taj-gibson