Trades and Transactions thread - To the offseason!

spree2kawhi · Post #1841 » by **spree2kawhi** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:49 pm

Hield is one of the best shooters in the league. That's a big time quality. I'd go get him, he'll be valuable no matter who we build around.

sol537 · Post #1842 » by **sol537** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:52 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:Hield for Randle, Grant in FA. He opts out.

Haliburton/Frank
Hield
RJ
Grant
Mitch

Let's go. Get it done.

love it.

spree2kawhi · Post #1843 » by **spree2kawhi** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:55 pm

Ummm, with Hield and Grant being my obvious choices to add as long term guys next to our youth, I also think it's worth watching the Malik Beasley situation. All the guys would fit in nicely. I don't think some dope will move him out of Minnesota, but I've seen more surprising things happen.

Assuming we're not going to land Giannis, those are prudent targets and solid rotation players in any scenario going forward.

8516knicks · Post #1844 » by **8516knicks** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:05 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:Ummm, with Hield and Grant being my obvious choices to add as long term guys next to our youth, I also think it's worth watching the Malik Beasley situation. All the guys would fit in nicely. I don't think some dope will move him out of Minnesota, but I've seen more surprising things happen.

Assuming we're not going to land Giannis, those are prudent targets and solid rotation players in any scenario going forward.

We could also get Gilbert Arenas to come out of retirement - no one would mess with those gunners in the backcourt! :lol:

Jay10 · Post #1845 » by **Jay10** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:31 pm

8516knicks wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:Ummm, with Hield and Grant being my obvious choices to add as long term guys next to our youth, I also think it's worth watching the Malik Beasley situation. All the guys would fit in nicely. I don't think some dope will move him out of Minnesota, but I've seen more surprising things happen.

Assuming we're not going to land Giannis, those are prudent targets and solid rotation players in any scenario going forward.

We could also get Gilbert Arenas to come out of retirement - no one would mess with those gunners in the backcourt!

F N 11 · Post #1846 » by **F N 11** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:45 pm

Jerami Grant officially hit free agency.

WargamesX · Post #1847 » by **WargamesX** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:09 pm

moocow007 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
Horfords contract is brutal (3 years $80 million) and they have absolutely no need for an $80 million backup C with a ton of mileage on his body. The Knicks can probably buy a 1st rounder in that range for $3 million. Thybulle isn't worth anywhere remotely near the other 3 years $77 million. The only 2 Sixers that would be worth taking Horfords contract is Simmons and Embiid. And you want us to give the Sixers the Clippers pick? More like the Sixers will need to be giving the Knicks multiple future picks and pick swaps.

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I'm for using cap space for assets but that's a lot of contract for not much in the way of a pick. If there were future picks involved too? Maybe. Probably not even.

Yeah its not enough.

Especially in an economic climate like this brought on by covid the "value" of helping another team shed dead weight contracts has only increased.

There is no reason to not get a premium from another team for taking on a mega contract like Horfords.

That $27 million TPE that the Knicks would give a team like the Sixers (who are in some direction straights right now) by taking Horfords contract off their hands is HUGE.

Would take multiple unprotected 1st round picks for me to do it if I were the Knicks.

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My idea was based on sending them Randle, but I am not against getting multiple assets from them to do it. That’s basically my point. Philly are getting desperate to improve and we should take advantage of that. Thybulle, the 20 pick swap, and their 22 pick are not crazy asks.

Now if they think Horford could be productive for the rest of his contract and Thybulle is a rotation player..... Great! If they can add draft picks to that even better.

Post #1848 » by **Capn'O** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:17 pm

moocow007 wrote:
YungKnicks wrote:I dont want knicks signing or trading for anyone pass this off season. I seriously rather pay Vince Carter, Jamaal Crawford, T. Gibson etc.. 1 yr 15million contacts to ride the bench and mentor our youth, especially for RJ.

Then only sign young players (25yrs and under) to 1 yr (2nd yr Team Option) contracts. Ex. Harry Giles, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Josh Jackson, Lamer Peters, Wooten etc...

I kinda get what you're saying but it's not so much not signing or trading for me. Instead, I don't want the Knicks to overpay for any player. This includes role players on great teams coming off career years or one dimensional "shooters" cause we gots to get some cuz that's how we win types. Spending money on FA is fine but it has to be great value signings. Trading for players is fine but it has to be great value trades. Value signings and trades will allow you to shed those contracts if a need arises. It's the players tagged to meaty heavyweight contracts that are the problem. That's what kills your flexibility not just having players on contracts beyond the year.

An example is FVV. FVV at what it's going to take is not a value signing. FVV at what's it's likely going to take leaves no room for wiggling so if he doesn't live up to expectations for whatever reason like him not being able to carry the load as a no.1 option (something that he was NOT for the Raptors but will have to be for the Knicks). Poor value contracts are hard to move even if the player is very good. The Knicks need to find the next Fred Van Vleet before he became FVV. That would be a good get.

Good thing is with Walt Perrin coming over from Utah, there is hope that the Knicks will be able to ID the value guys in the draft, in free agency and via any trade opportunities. That's how top franchises operate. Not by drafting, signing and trading for the obvious.

Yup. I like FVV but a player that didn't even lead his team to a second round defeat is not worth 30 mil. He'll be regarded similarly to Randle if we do that. Same goes for Grant and a few others.

For the right price, I would go after Joe Harris and I only bring that up because his contract may be a decent deal. But we gotta know when to fold them.

bleedblue3303 · Post #1849 » by **bleedblue3303** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:27 pm

WargamesX wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
I'm for using cap space for assets but that's a lot of contract for not much in the way of a pick. If there were future picks involved too? Maybe. Probably not even.

Yeah its not enough.

Especially in an economic climate like this brought on by covid the "value" of helping another team shed dead weight contracts has only increased.

There is no reason to not get a premium from another team for taking on a mega contract like Horfords.

That $27 million TPE that the Knicks would give a team like the Sixers (who are in some direction straights right now) by taking Horfords contract off their hands is HUGE.

Would take multiple unprotected 1st round picks for me to do it if I were the Knicks.

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My idea was based on sending them Randle, but I am not against getting multiple assets from them to do it. That’s basically my point. Philly are getting desperate to improve and we should take advantage of that. Thybulle, the 20 pick swap, and their 22 pick are not crazy asks.

Now if they think Horford could be productive for the rest of his contract and Thybulle is a rotation player..... Great! If they can add draft picks to that even better.

I think you are underestimating the situation in Philly. The team cannot win as constructed. They are in cap hell and the owner has stated he does not want to go over luxury tax. I would even take the worse contract of Harris off their hands but it will have to cost them.
2020 pick swap
2021 unconditional frp
2023 unconditional frp

who says no

WargamesX · Post #1850 » by **WargamesX** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:24 pm

bleedblue3303 wrote:
WargamesX wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
Yeah its not enough.

Especially in an economic climate like this brought on by covid the "value" of helping another team shed dead weight contracts has only increased.

There is no reason to not get a premium from another team for taking on a mega contract like Horfords.

That $27 million TPE that the Knicks would give a team like the Sixers (who are in some direction straights right now) by taking Horfords contract off their hands is HUGE.

Would take multiple unprotected 1st round picks for me to do it if I were the Knicks.

Sent from my SM-N975U using RealGM mobile app

My idea was based on sending them Randle, but I am not against getting multiple assets from them to do it. That’s basically my point. Philly are getting desperate to improve and we should take advantage of that. Thybulle, the 20 pick swap, and their 22 pick are not crazy asks.

Now if they think Horford could be productive for the rest of his contract and Thybulle is a rotation player..... Great! If they can add draft picks to that even better.

I think you are underestimating the situation in Philly. The team cannot win as constructed. They are in cap hell and the owner has stated he does not want to go over luxury tax. I would even take the worse contract of Harris off their hands but it will have to cost them.
2020 pick swap
2021 unconditional frp
2023 unconditional frp

who says no

Yes! That’s what I am saying. We should definitely get a collection of their assets. We can disagree on what those assets are, or if the target should be Horford or Harris, but we should get compensated. At the end of the day the Knicks should be looked at as both a trade target for Randle and someone the Knicks can get assets from in general.

ophdog · Post #1851 » by **ophdog** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:51 pm

gathering good young players and assets is the only thing we should be looking to do. With the pandemic that cap space gotta be valuable

Rodimus921 · Post #1852 » by **Rodimus921** » Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:04 am

Knicks get

Kevin Looney
&
5th pick 2020 draft
& select
Deni Avdija

Warriors get

Kevin Love
Frank Ntilikina
27th pick via Knicks
38th pick via Knicks

Cleveland get

Andrew Wiggins
&
2nd Pick of 2020 Draft
& Select
James Wiseman

nyk2017 · Post #1853 » by **nyk2017** » Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:02 am

Rodimus921 wrote:Knicks get

Kevin Looney
&
5th pick 2020 draft
& select
Deni Avdija

Warriors get

Kevin Love
Frank Ntilikina
27th pick via Knicks
38th pick via Knicks

Cleveland get

Andrew Wiggins
&
2nd Pick of 2020 Draft
& Select
James Wiseman

So essentially, Warriors would give up #2 pick, Wiggins, Looney to get Love, Frank, #27 and #38 pick. Cleveland gives up Love and #5 pick for #2 pick and we give up Frank, #27, #38 pick to get #5 pick and Looney. I don't think the Warriors are that dumb.

DowNY · Post #1854 » by **DowNY** » Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:33 am

Halliburton is not the guy for us. Keep him away.

Post #1855 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:18 pm

Who needs Jimmy Butler when we can sign Julius Randle

Read on Twitter

Post #1856 » by **dakomish23** » Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:53 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:Who needs Jimmy Butler when we can sign Julius Randle

Read on Twitter

I don't blame us not signing him but the end doesn't justify the means here. Mills wanted to win now

Post #1857 » by **moocow007** » Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:55 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:Who needs Jimmy Butler when we can sign Julius Randle

Read on Twitter

To be fair though, A TON of guys on this board wanted nothing to do with Butler either when he was brought up as a free agent option. Something along the lines of Butler is overrated, wrong side of 30, too much miles, malcontent (cause of Minny LOL), not a real superstar and not worth the contract, treadmill team, etc.. Including a lot of guys that are now jumping on the Butler bandwagon and talking about how the Knicks should have signed him. Come on, those of you that wanted nothing to do with Butler, be a man and raise your hand. So kinda hypocritical for some folks now to be blasting and mocking the Knicks front office for basically following through on what most their fans wanted, no? The Knicks front office deserves blame but this one?

TBri1974 · Post #1858 » by **TBri1974** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:19 am

What would you guys think about a trade of Ntilikina and Randle for Griffin and the #7. It means we can take the BPA and the BPA at the cost of one additional year of heavy salary. It is not a strong draft, and I happen to love Ntilikina, so I am not tied to this idea, just floating it out there given Detroit was a Frank fan.

Fat · Post #1859 » by **Fat** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:36 am

TBri1974 wrote:What would you guys think about a trade of Ntilikina and Randle for Griffin and the #7. It means we can take the BPA and the BPA at the cost of one additional year of heavy salary. It is not a strong draft, and I happen to love Ntilikina, so I am not tied to this idea, just floating it out there given Detroit was a Frank fan.

Getting rid of Randle and acquiring another top 10 draft pick sign me up :lol:

Post #1860 » by **dakomish23** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:40 am

TBri1974 wrote:What would you guys think about a trade of Ntilikina and Randle for Griffin and the #7. It means we can take the BPA and the BPA at the cost of one additional year of heavy salary. It is not a strong draft, and I happen to love Ntilikina, so I am not tied to this idea, just floating it out there given Detroit was a Frank fan.

Why would DET do that? To dump Griffin? Yeah I’d do it if I believed in multiple players in this draft.