ECF: (3) Boston Celtics vs Miami HEAT (5) - Part 3 (4-2 Miami)

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[beeshma]

I don't see superstar in Tatum. Very solid player that is a fringe all-star in the weak East.

against Miami
26.5 ppg
10 rpg
6.5 apg
1.5 spg
1.5 bpg

and he didnt shoot as good as he normally does thanks to the excellent defensive effort to the Miami Heat team.


Playoffs as a whole:
26 ppg
10 rpg
5 apg
1 spg
1.2 bpg

how is that just a solid player/fringe allstar.

Know how many players put up 25, 10 and 5 in the playoffs this season?
3.
Lebron - 26.5, 10, 9
Giannis - 26.5, 14, 5.5
Tatum - 25.5, 10, 5

That was just a terrible take.

I feel like Boston fans rely 100% on stats to make the case that Tatum is a star. But from the eyeball test he's not.

Reminds me of a Zach Lavine, great stats but does he actually affect winning, the way that a star player should?

[Haddaway]

What a pathetic and poorly run Boston franchise is, can't even reach the finals even after LeBron left the East in shambles.

1 championship in 34 years.

Strike: Fanbase baiting/Trolling

Whichever admin/mod gave you a warning must be a salty Celtics fan.

I mean this dude has a good point. That's longer than the Heat have been a franchise.

[ITYSL]

Was just looking through some series stats and saw that in the 19 minutes of so-called clutch time in the ECF, the Heat outscored the Celtics 57-29 with a FG% of 58.6% vs. 31%. Story of the series right there. Crazy.

https://go.nba.com/ycpjp

[DarkAzcura]

I don't see superstar in Tatum. Very solid player that is a fringe all-star in the weak East.

against Miami
26.5 ppg
10 rpg
6.5 apg
1.5 spg
1.5 bpg

and he didnt shoot as good as he normally does thanks to the excellent defensive effort to the Miami Heat team.


Playoffs as a whole:
26 ppg
10 rpg
5 apg
1 spg
1.2 bpg

how is that just a solid player/fringe allstar.

Know how many players put up 25, 10 and 5 in the playoffs this season?
3.
Lebron - 26.5, 10, 9
Giannis - 26.5, 14, 5.5
Tatum - 25.5, 10, 5

That was just a terrible take.

I feel like Boston fans rely 100% on stats to make the case that Tatum is a star. But from the eyeball test he's not.

Reminds me of a Zach Lavine, great stats but does he actually affect winning, the way that a star player should?

Dude. He’s been to the ECF twice in three years. Once as the best player easily. The other as the second best player at worst. Don’t care what people say about the ‘weak East’ but that is an incredible accomplishment for a player only 3 seasons into his career at age 22.

When Celtics fans reference this, other fans liked to point out his numbers weren’t great in previous years. Now that his numbers are great, Celtic fans are focusing too much on that. You can’t have both. Probably should give credit where credit is due.

Comparing him to Lavine is outrageous.

[Haddaway]

What a pathetic and poorly run Boston franchise is, can't even reach the finals even after LeBron left the East in shambles.

1 championship in 34 years.

I'm good man. Team was so much fun to watch and root for this year. They came up short but it's all good.

Don't listen to that one. Boston played the game rightwise all year. Hoped for a Lakers/Celtics Finals all year, but we were yeah short of that. Congrats, anyway, Celtfans. Most of you are good peeps.

Agreed, Celtics should not be upset about coming two wins short of the finals. They were a top 4 team. Amazing accomplishment by just getting to 3 ECF in 4 years. Most teams dream about that type of consistency. Literally nothing to be ashamed or upset about.

I was personally worried about the Celtics coming back from 3-1 after they win game 5 in convincing fashion. Alas, the heat were just too hot.

[ITYSL]

I feel like Boston fans rely 100% on stats to make the case that Tatum is a star. But from the eyeball test he's not.

Reminds me of a Zach Lavine, great stats but does he actually affect winning, the way that a star player should?

It isn't just Boston fans saying that Tatum is a star. It's pretty much everyone in the league including opposing teams, broadcasters, analysts, experts, etc.

I question your eye test if you don't see Tatum making an impact on both ends of the floor. His raw, advanced and impact stats show this, and the eye test from the vast majority of coaches, media, analysts and experts confirm it.

I guess I'm not surprised considering that your bball takes are often trash.

[Haddaway]

If ESPN didn't let you know enough already.

BAM came from a trailer park.

Just wanted to make sure everybody knows this.

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Keeps a picture of it to remind himself where he came from!
*Cut to the Deuce cam*

[beeshma]

I feel like Boston fans rely 100% on stats to make the case that Tatum is a star. But from the eyeball test he's not.

Reminds me of a Zach Lavine, great stats but does he actually affect winning, the way that a star player should?

It isn't just Boston fans saying that Tatum is a star. It's pretty much everyone in the league including opposing teams, broadcasters, analysts, experts, etc.

I question your eye test if you don't see Tatum making an impact on both ends of the floor. His raw, advanced and impact stats show this, and the eye test from the vast majority of coaches, media, analysts and experts confirm it.

I guess I'm not surprised considering that your bball takes are often trash.

Reported you for the personal attack.

[Haddaway]

I feel like Boston fans rely 100% on stats to make the case that Tatum is a star. But from the eyeball test he's not.

Reminds me of a Zach Lavine, great stats but does he actually affect winning, the way that a star player should?

It isn't just Boston fans saying that Tatum is a star. It's pretty much everyone in the league including opposing teams, broadcasters, analysts, experts, etc.

I question your eye test if you don't see Tatum making an impact on both ends of the floor. His raw, advanced and impact stats show this, and the eye test from the vast majority of coaches, media, analysts and experts confirm it.

I guess I'm not surprised considering that your bball takes are often trash.

Reported you for the personal attack.

That is seriously soft of you, brah.

[beeshma]

It isn't just Boston fans saying that Tatum is a star. It's pretty much everyone in the league including opposing teams, broadcasters, analysts, experts, etc.

I question your eye test if you don't see Tatum making an impact on both ends of the floor. His raw, advanced and impact stats show this, and the eye test from the vast majority of coaches, media, analysts and experts confirm it.

I guess I'm not surprised considering that your bball takes are often trash.

Reported you for the personal attack.

That is seriously soft of you, brah.

I think it is soft of people to slip in those little personal attacks.

[ITYSL]

I feel like Boston fans rely 100% on stats to make the case that Tatum is a star. But from the eyeball test he's not.

Reminds me of a Zach Lavine, great stats but does he actually affect winning, the way that a star player should?

It isn't just Boston fans saying that Tatum is a star. It's pretty much everyone in the league including opposing teams, broadcasters, analysts, experts, etc.

I question your eye test if you don't see Tatum making an impact on both ends of the floor. His raw, advanced and impact stats show this, and the eye test from the vast majority of coaches, media, analysts and experts confirm it.

I guess I'm not surprised considering that your bball takes are often trash.

Reported you for the personal attack.

That's fine but I didn't make a personal attack. I attacked your bball opinions on a bball opinion forum. Sorry you couldn't handle it.

[Feed Your Head]

I don't see superstar in Tatum. Very solid player that is a fringe all-star in the weak East.

against Miami
26.5 ppg
10 rpg
6.5 apg
1.5 spg
1.5 bpg

and he didnt shoot as good as he normally does thanks to the excellent defensive effort to the Miami Heat team.


Playoffs as a whole:
26 ppg
10 rpg
5 apg
1 spg
1.2 bpg

how is that just a solid player/fringe allstar.

Know how many players put up 25, 10 and 5 in the playoffs this season?
3.
Lebron - 26.5, 10, 9
Giannis - 26.5, 14, 5.5
Tatum - 25.5, 10, 5

That was just a terrible take.

I feel like Boston fans rely 100% on stats to make the case that Tatum is a star. But from the eyeball test he's not.

Reminds me of a Zach Lavine, great stats but does he actually affect winning, the way that a star player should?

Considering he had by far their best net rating of rotational players in both the regular season and the playoffs, the answer is yes. Especially when you consider the impact stats all had him as a top 10-15 player this year.

[beeshma]

against Miami
26.5 ppg
10 rpg
6.5 apg
1.5 spg
1.5 bpg

and he didnt shoot as good as he normally does thanks to the excellent defensive effort to the Miami Heat team.


Playoffs as a whole:
26 ppg
10 rpg
5 apg
1 spg
1.2 bpg

how is that just a solid player/fringe allstar.

Know how many players put up 25, 10 and 5 in the playoffs this season?
3.
Lebron - 26.5, 10, 9
Giannis - 26.5, 14, 5.5
Tatum - 25.5, 10, 5

That was just a terrible take.

I feel like Boston fans rely 100% on stats to make the case that Tatum is a star. But from the eyeball test he's not.

Reminds me of a Zach Lavine, great stats but does he actually affect winning, the way that a star player should?

Considering he had by far their best net rating of rotational players in both the regular season and the playoffs, the answer is yes. Especially when you consider the impact stats all had him as a top 10-15 player this year.

He had good stats in the 19-20 season, and the +/- is solid. If he can keep this level of production up he will certainly be a multiple all star.

But his track record amounts to one season. This is the first year he shot the 3 pointer well, his FG% has always been below average. I would call Tatum an average play maker with no guarantee he'll get better. He's a solid rebounder but mostly defensive rebounds so the value of that is not as high.

The point I keep making is that he isn't "that" player yet. He has a one year track record of being all-star level. He's a nice piece and I would love to have a prospect like him on the teams I follow. Why keep claiming as certain what is merely possible? He has to show more before he is a "star" or "superstar".

[DarkAzcura]

I feel like Boston fans rely 100% on stats to make the case that Tatum is a star. But from the eyeball test he's not.

Reminds me of a Zach Lavine, great stats but does he actually affect winning, the way that a star player should?

Considering he had by far their best net rating of rotational players in both the regular season and the playoffs, the answer is yes. Especially when you consider the impact stats all had him as a top 10-15 player this year.

He had good stats in the 19-20 season, and the +/- is solid. If he can keep this level of production up he will certainly be a multiple all star.

But his track record amounts to one season. This is the first year he shot the 3 pointer well, his FG% has always been below average. I would call Tatum an average play maker with no guarantee he'll get better. He's a solid rebounder but mostly defensive rebounds so the value of that is not as high.

The point I keep making is that he isn't "that" player yet. He has a one year track record of being all-star level. He's a nice piece and I would love to have a prospect like him on the teams I follow. Why keep claiming as certain what is merely possible? He has to show more before he is a "star" or "superstar".

He shot 43% from 3 in his rookie year. Even in his “off year”, he shot 37.3% from 3, which is actually still fine. 37.3% from a team in 2018-2019 is the percentage the 5th best 3PT shooting team in the league shot in that season.

No offense man, but you need to do a bit more research before sounding off. You are acting like he has been in the league for 5-6 years, and this is his first good year. He’s been in the league for 3 years, and he has been to the ECF twice already. First time he got there, he was already the 2nd best player on his team at worst in the playoffs and that was in his age 19-20 season.

Also, incredibly odd for you to call defensive rebounding lacking in value. Defensive rebounding is far more important than offensive rebounding, which is a nice bonus. Defensive rebounding is important because you can’t close out a defensive possession without good rebounding.

[beeshma]

Considering he had by far their best net rating of rotational players in both the regular season and the playoffs, the answer is yes. Especially when you consider the impact stats all had him as a top 10-15 player this year.

He had good stats in the 19-20 season, and the +/- is solid. If he can keep this level of production up he will certainly be a multiple all star.

But his track record amounts to one season. This is the first year he shot the 3 pointer well, his FG% has always been below average. I would call Tatum an average play maker with no guarantee he'll get better. He's a solid rebounder but mostly defensive rebounds so the value of that is not as high.

The point I keep making is that he isn't "that" player yet. He has a one year track record of being all-star level. He's a nice piece and I would love to have a prospect like him on the teams I follow. Why keep claiming as certain what is merely possible? He has to show more before he is a "star" or "superstar".

He shot 43% from 3 in his rookie year. Even in his “off year”, he shot 37.3% from 3, which is actually still fine. 37.3% from a team in 2018-2019 is the percentage the 5th best 3PT shooting team in the league shot in that season.

No offense man, but you need to do a bit more research before sounding off. You are acting like he has been in the league for 5-6 years, and this is his first good year. He’s been in the league for 3 years, and he has been to the ECF twice already. First time he got there, he was already the 2nd best player on his team at worst in the playoffs and that was in his age 19-20 season.

Also, incredibly odd for you to call defensive rebounding lacking in value. Defensive rebounding is far more important than offensive rebounding, which is a nice bonus. Defensive rebounding is important because you can’t close out a defensive possession without good rebounding.

I think 40.3% 3P on 7.1 attempts this year, is much more impressive than 43.4% 3P on 3.0 attempts his rookie year. If he can stay at this level great. If he regresses to 37.3% again then his 3P shooting is not enough to label him a star or superstar.

For rebounding I think of defensive rebounding as a skill which many lesser players have in abundance. I don't think being great at defensive rebounding makes you a star or superstar. This is an era of basketball when teams have given up on offensive rebounding because they are worried about giving up fast break points, so to nab these defensive rebounds is not that impressive since the other team is not contesting it. And I stand by my point that DReb has much less impact on a game than a player who excels at offensive rebounding.

Saying Tatum is the "best player on the Celtics" in no way means that he is a star. Zach Lavine is the best player on the Bulls, and he will never be a star.

But like I said, I think he's a great young prospect. Just needs more time playing at this level to call him a star.

[DarkAzcura]

He had good stats in the 19-20 season, and the +/- is solid. If he can keep this level of production up he will certainly be a multiple all star.

But his track record amounts to one season. This is the first year he shot the 3 pointer well, his FG% has always been below average. I would call Tatum an average play maker with no guarantee he'll get better. He's a solid rebounder but mostly defensive rebounds so the value of that is not as high.

The point I keep making is that he isn't "that" player yet. He has a one year track record of being all-star level. He's a nice piece and I would love to have a prospect like him on the teams I follow. Why keep claiming as certain what is merely possible? He has to show more before he is a "star" or "superstar".

He shot 43% from 3 in his rookie year. Even in his “off year”, he shot 37.3% from 3, which is actually still fine. 37.3% from a team in 2018-2019 is the percentage the 5th best 3PT shooting team in the league shot in that season.

No offense man, but you need to do a bit more research before sounding off. You are acting like he has been in the league for 5-6 years, and this is his first good year. He’s been in the league for 3 years, and he has been to the ECF twice already. First time he got there, he was already the 2nd best player on his team at worst in the playoffs and that was in his age 19-20 season.

Also, incredibly odd for you to call defensive rebounding lacking in value. Defensive rebounding is far more important than offensive rebounding, which is a nice bonus. Defensive rebounding is important because you can’t close out a defensive possession without good rebounding.

I think 40.3% 3P on 7.1 attempts this year, is much more impressive than 43.4% 3P on 3.0 attempts his rookie year. If he can stay at this level great. If he regresses to 37.3% again then his 3P shooting is not enough to label him a star or superstar.

For rebounding I think of defensive rebounding as a skill which many lesser players have in abundance. I don't think being great at defensive rebounding makes you a star or superstar. And it has much less impact on a game than a player who excels at offensive rebounding.

Saying Tatum is the "best player on the Celtics" in no way means that he is a star. Zach Lavine is the best player on the Bulls.

But like I said, I think he's a great young prospect. Just needs more time playing at this level to call him a star.

You said he didn’t shoot the 3 pointer well. He shot 43%. Don’t move goal posts to be about attempts because you were incorrect. 240+ attempts is still a huge sample size regardless.

Also, stop making silly comparisons to Zach Lavine. Zach Lavine is the best player on a crap team. Tatum was the best player on a team that went to the ECF and the second best player on a team that went to the ECF when he was a rookie. That’s a fantastic accomplishment. I know it’s the internet, and people hate to admit when they are wrong, but you gotta just admit you were wrong about some of these points and move on.

It’s fine to have your opinions that you don’t think he will be a top 5 or 10 player consistently or whatever, but you are backing it up with incorrect statistics (only one good season as a 3PT shooter) and false equivalences (Zach Lavine).

FYI, 37.3% from 3 is still very good. Lillard’s career average is 37.3% from 3.

[beeshma]

He shot 43% from 3 in his rookie year. Even in his “off year”, he shot 37.3% from 3, which is actually still fine. 37.3% from a team in 2018-2019 is the percentage the 5th best 3PT shooting team in the league shot in that season.

No offense man, but you need to do a bit more research before sounding off. You are acting like he has been in the league for 5-6 years, and this is his first good year. He’s been in the league for 3 years, and he has been to the ECF twice already. First time he got there, he was already the 2nd best player on his team at worst in the playoffs and that was in his age 19-20 season.

Also, incredibly odd for you to call defensive rebounding lacking in value. Defensive rebounding is far more important than offensive rebounding, which is a nice bonus. Defensive rebounding is important because you can’t close out a defensive possession without good rebounding.

I think 40.3% 3P on 7.1 attempts this year, is much more impressive than 43.4% 3P on 3.0 attempts his rookie year. If he can stay at this level great. If he regresses to 37.3% again then his 3P shooting is not enough to label him a star or superstar.

For rebounding I think of defensive rebounding as a skill which many lesser players have in abundance. I don't think being great at defensive rebounding makes you a star or superstar. And it has much less impact on a game than a player who excels at offensive rebounding.

Saying Tatum is the "best player on the Celtics" in no way means that he is a star. Zach Lavine is the best player on the Bulls.

But like I said, I think he's a great young prospect. Just needs more time playing at this level to call him a star.

You said he didn’t shoot the 3 pointer well. He shot 43%. Don’t move goal posts to be about attempts because you were incorrect. 240+ attempts is still a huge sample size regardless.

Also, stop making silly comparisons to Zach Lavine. Zach Lavine is the best player on a crap team. Tatum was the best player on a team that went to the ECF and the second best player on a team that went to the ECF when he was a rookie. That’s a fantastic accomplishment. I know it’s the internet, and people hate to admit when they are wrong, but you gotta just admit you were wrong about some of these points and move on.

It’s fine to have your opinions that you don’t think he will be a top 5 or 10 player consistently or whatever, but you are backing it up with incorrect statistics (only one good season as a 3PT shooter) and false equivalences (Zach Lavine).

FYI, 37.3% from 3 is still very good. Lillard’s career average is 37.3% from 3.

that's fair.

I'll just clarify one thing you said. There are many posters on this thread that think Tatum is already a top 15 player in the league. That is the premise I disagree with.

But I've got nothing more to say about it.

[DarkAzcura]

I think 40.3% 3P on 7.1 attempts this year, is much more impressive than 43.4% 3P on 3.0 attempts his rookie year. If he can stay at this level great. If he regresses to 37.3% again then his 3P shooting is not enough to label him a star or superstar.

For rebounding I think of defensive rebounding as a skill which many lesser players have in abundance. I don't think being great at defensive rebounding makes you a star or superstar. And it has much less impact on a game than a player who excels at offensive rebounding.

Saying Tatum is the "best player on the Celtics" in no way means that he is a star. Zach Lavine is the best player on the Bulls.

But like I said, I think he's a great young prospect. Just needs more time playing at this level to call him a star.

You said he didn’t shoot the 3 pointer well. He shot 43%. Don’t move goal posts to be about attempts because you were incorrect. 240+ attempts is still a huge sample size regardless.

Also, stop making silly comparisons to Zach Lavine. Zach Lavine is the best player on a crap team. Tatum was the best player on a team that went to the ECF and the second best player on a team that went to the ECF when he was a rookie. That’s a fantastic accomplishment. I know it’s the internet, and people hate to admit when they are wrong, but you gotta just admit you were wrong about some of these points and move on.

It’s fine to have your opinions that you don’t think he will be a top 5 or 10 player consistently or whatever, but you are backing it up with incorrect statistics (only one good season as a 3PT shooter) and false equivalences (Zach Lavine).

FYI, 37.3% from 3 is still very good. Lillard’s career average is 37.3% from 3.

that's fair.

I'll just clarify one thing you said. There are many posters on this thread that think Tatum is already a top 15 player in the league. That is the premise I disagree with.

But I've got nothing more to say about it.

Well he did make the all NBA third team and was about 5 votes away from all NBA second team so it’s not really just the posters in this thread.

Anyway, that’s fine. Good talk

[QUIZ]

Lol refs trying to give them more time to challenge. **** them