Trade Ideas Thread

[ConstableGeneva]

What happened to the board's interest in Capela? Can't the Cs still go after him? Might be a cheaper option? It feels like Turner is Capela 2020.

[MagicBagley18]

If Turner is more imposing in the paint then why do NBA players find it so much easier to score against him than Theis?

I mean in the stats you provided it looked like bam struggled against and you chalked it up to inexperienced, it seemed like every one of those stats were the numbers didn’t back your narrative that it was for a reason and nothing turner did.

Turner is not AD, he’s not gobert- but he runs the floor, can stretch the floor well enough, can catch lobs, has a good rapport with our core and still may have some untapped potential and our system may fit him better than the pacers.

He’s undoubtedly bigger than theis

[BK_2020]

Bam Struggled against Turner because he scored 10ppg on 20 mins on 62% shooting? In his h2h with Myles, BAM matched his career PPG except his FG% jumped up from 55% to 62%. I wouldn't call that a struggle.

[flintsky21]

If Turner is more imposing in the paint then why do NBA players find it so much easier to score against him than Theis?

I mean in the stats you provided it looked like bam struggled against and you chalked it up to inexperienced, it seemed like every one of those stats were the numbers didn’t back your narrative that it was for a reason and nothing turner did.

Turner is not AD, he’s not gobert- but he runs the floor, can stretch the floor well enough, can catch lobs, has a good rapport with our core and still may have some untapped potential and our system may fit him better than the pacers.

He’s undoubtedly bigger than theis

And less of a target for refs. Averages 3.3 fouls per 36 compared to 5.0 for Theis.

[MagicBagley18]

Bam Struggled against Turner because he scored 10ppg on 20 mins on 62% shooting? In his h2h with Myles, BAM matched his career PPG except his FG% jumped up from 55% to 62%. I wouldn't call that a struggle.

It’s your post...your the one who said numbers affected and then blamed it on inexperience so ? The bottom line is if you can move Hayward’s contract and get turner for it who brings everything I talked about before and still has upside it’s pretty much a no brainer.

I can guarantee you other players think hard ab their moves w turner in the lane then with theis

[MagicBagley18]

Would I bend over backwards normally for turner? no. Would I even wanna move Hayward if he was healthy? No. Hayward healthy is a very good player but he’s never healthy and now we really have a deep playoff run without him.

Our ceiling is higher w him but we can’t count on him and if u move him and get a young player w upside at a position of need- it’s prey self explanatory.

[djFan71]

What happened to the board's interest in Capela? Can't the Cs still go after him? Might be a cheaper option? It feels like Turner is Capela 2020.

He doesn't play for a team in Hayward's hometown?
From all reports ATL likes him and doesn't want to move him any more than IND fans want to move Turner.

I'm good with neither.

[BK_2020]

I would rather have Horford back than Turner.

[MagicBagley18]

I would rather have Horford back than Turner.

So you’re complaining about an 18 million dollar contract but will take horford at close to 30 million even tho turner is 25 years old?......makes sense

[ConstableGeneva]

What happened to the board's interest in Capela? Can't the Cs still go after him? Might be a cheaper option? It feels like Turner is Capela 2020.

He doesn't play for a team in Hayward's hometown?
From all reports ATL likes him and doesn't want to move him any more than IND fans want to move Turner.

I'm good with neither.

People have come up with complicated 3-team deals, 4-team deals. They could still involve Indiana/Hayward.

At least with Capela before, Rockets were really moving him. We've heard nothing about Turner wanting to get moved.

[bisme37]

The thing about Turner is he's not "good" or "bad" as much as he's inconsistent. And the "meh" overall stats reflect that. When I watch a Pacers game it feels like I can tell if he's going to have a good game or bad game in the first few minutes. When he's engaged and has a bounce in his step he's quite impactful on both ends. But then the next game you don't even notice he's on the court.

So the question is... does he just naturally lack competitiveness and motivation on his own and nothing can really be done about it? Or is the inconsistency more a function of his inconsistent role on the Pacers and frustration due to that?

He seems like a smart kid and fits into out timeline and fits our needs on paper. I'm pretty interested. I just hope we don't trade for him and end up hating him after a month. But I'm optimistic he would be a good Celtic.

[djFan71]

What happened to the board's interest in Capela? Can't the Cs still go after him? Might be a cheaper option? It feels like Turner is Capela 2020.

He doesn't play for a team in Hayward's hometown?
From all reports ATL likes him and doesn't want to move him any more than IND fans want to move Turner.

I'm good with neither.

People have come up with complicated 3-team deals, 4-team deals. They could still involve Indiana/Hayward.

At least with Capela before, Rockets were really moving him. We've heard nothing about Turner wanting to get moved.

You're missing my "humor" lately. Or my humor is missing.

[MagicBagley18]

The thing about Turner is he's not "good" or "bad" as much as he's inconsistent. And the "meh" overall stats reflect that. When I watch a Pacers game it feels like I can tell if he's going to have a good game or bad game in the first few minutes. When he's engaged and has a bounce in his step he's quite impactful on both ends. But then the next game you don't even notice he's on the court.

So the question is... does he just naturally lack competitiveness and motivation on his own and nothing can really be done about it? Or is the inconsistency more a function of his inconsistent role on the Pacers and frustration due to that?

He seems like a smart kid and fits into out timeline and fits our needs on paper. I'm pretty interested. I just hope we don't trade for him and end up hating him after a month. But I'm optimistic he would be a good Celtic.

That’s how I feel...get him out of Indiana into Boston- w new teammates he seem close with and a coach in stevens who is players coach and have him winning games and let’s see what happens.

Def worth trying.....I wouldn’t give up the farm and I don’t even think the pacers are interested nor will I cry if they aren’t but he’s def worth the look for the upside and chance a new scenery has him look really good here

[ddb]

What happened to the board's interest in Capela? Can't the Cs still go after him? Might be a cheaper option? It feels like Turner is Capela 2020.

Turner is WAY more versatile. Turner can shoot, Capela cannot. Capela is more proven version of Robert Williams which we already have.

[ddb]

I would rather have Horford back than Turner.

Yeah let's do Philly a favor and take back the horrible contract mistakes they made last offseason when they gave a long-term huge paycheck to an aging big man that isn't even that good anymore. WTF? Turner at 24 years old and 18 mill or whatever he makes over Horford 7 days per week and twice on Sunday. You have got to be kidding me!!!

[Saint Lazarus]

The thing about Turner is he's not "good" or "bad" as much as he's inconsistent. And the "meh" overall stats reflect that. When I watch a Pacers game it feels like I can tell if he's going to have a good game or bad game in the first few minutes. When he's engaged and has a bounce in his step he's quite impactful on both ends. But then the next game you don't even notice he's on the court.

So the question is... does he just naturally lack competitiveness and motivation on his own and nothing can really be done about it? Or is the inconsistency more a function of his inconsistent role on the Pacers and frustration due to that?

He seems like a smart kid and fits into out timeline and fits our needs on paper. I'm pretty interested. I just hope we don't trade for him and end up hating him after a month. But I'm optimistic he would be a good Celtic.

Uncle Jeff 2.0

Wonder what kind of drugs Turner is on if not benzos

[ddb]

If Turner is more imposing in the paint then why do NBA players find it so much easier to score against him than Theis?

I mean in the stats you provided it looked like bam struggled against and you chalked it up to inexperienced, it seemed like every one of those stats were the numbers didn’t back your narrative that it was for a reason and nothing turner did.

Turner is not AD, he’s not gobert- but he runs the floor, can stretch the floor well enough, can catch lobs, has a good rapport with our core and still may have some untapped potential and our system may fit him better than the pacers.

He’s undoubtedly bigger than theis

I'd be really interested to see how a guy like Turner would do playing with studs like Tatum/Brown. I think people on this board need to realize that high quality big men that fit the modern game is the most difficult thing to find in this league. The list is short. AD is the best of the best. AD checks every single box in what you want from a modern day big man. Jokic is up there too. KAT's is there. Bam is there. People will put Embiid there although Embiid let's his emotions get the better of him and I'm still concerned about his long-term durability. And finally you have Giannis who despite being a face to the basket "wing" he's 7 feet tall and essentially a big man. He's a freak as we know.
After those guys you have players like Zinger, Sabonis, JJackson, Gobert, Vucevic, Ayton, Ibaka, LMA, and Turner.

Zinger is always hurt. Sabonis is locked in with Indy. Jackson is locked in. Gobert isn't going anywhere. Ayton isn't going anywhere yet. LMA is older and more of a face up PF.

Leaves us basically 3 guys I'd be interested in this offseason. Ibaka would be a great option if he'd simply take a paycut to come play in Boston. Take the 5.7 on a 2-year deal with the 2nd year a PO. Kanter can walk.
Turner/Vucevic could be trade options.

Maybe we should be talking about Vucevic? Hayward has young kids. He can go play at Disney world for awhile. Bring Vucevic back.

[keevsnick1]

On Turner, I feel like he has a little bit of "college Jaylen Brown" syndrome about him. He plays in a system where neither side of the ball is optimized for what he does. He has to play the 4 because Sabonis can't guard the perimeter, he has to do nothing but space to the corner on offense because again IND has Sabonis operating out of the block. I think if you put him in the Theis role where he plays 100% of his minutes at center with 3+ perimeters defenders funneling guys into his rim protection he could be incredible. On offense he provides more spacing than Theis, while having SO MUCH MORE room down low than he does playing with Sabonis.

Another way of thinking about it a reverse Horford. How much worse does Al look after going from playing center on the C's to playing out of position at the 4 on a team that not optimized for his talents? That may be Turner right now.

He has three years at 18.0 a year, he's only 24 (turns 25 in march). So if RWIII explodes or something the guy is movable.

Now if Gordon Hayward is the guy you're trading for him i would try to structure it so you're getting back Turner AND either a bench scorer or sharpshooter. For example you get Turner and another contract then flip that second contract to a third team along with a 1st round pick for some vet upgrade. For example:

BOS Out: Hayward, 1st
BOS In: Turner, Rudy gay

IND Out: Turner, Mcdermitt
IND In: Hayward

DET Out: Rose
DET In: McDermitt, 1st.

Don't get too caught up on Rose, it could work for a bunch of guys in the 6-10 (or higher if you add Kanter) million dollar range. Like Rudy Gay, Terrence Ross, Satoransky, ect. Or maybe you like McDermitt and just keep him.

[Ernest]

This PR aspect is always talked about and then Ainge goes ahead and does whatever he wants and people get over it. Sure people like Kemba but how long has he been here? There's not pictures of him all over Boston like there were for IT and Ainge traded him. Not that you said it, but I've heard some form of this line a million times- "If you trade someone too soon after signing them future free agents won't want to come" and yet I can't think of an example of that ever happening with any team. I've never heard a player say they don't want to go somewhere because they traded someone.

It literally just happened with AD’s dad bring up us trading IT.....a year ago

Yep, and given all the PR we’ve spun regarding his locker room presence, there is ZERO chance we trade him. Its just an impossibly bad look.

Ok so one players dad. Anyone else? So we are not going to make whatever moves are good for the team due to PR? Thats nonsense. the IT trade was bad PR and as a fan it really hurt to lose him. But it was the right move. This PR narrative is over blown. I think we will sell out games when the arenas open up. I really don't think a player is going to scorn us if we trade Kemba. Kemba chose to leave the Hornets because it was a good move for him. We can make good moves for us. Anyways, agree to disagree I guess. I don't see us convincing each other.

Also, I'd not in the "We need to trade Kemba" camp. I do think he was exposed in the playoffs and there is reason to think that his playoff play will never be as good as his regular season play. But maybe he was hurt and won't be later. Maybe it was just a few flukes. In any event, Danny will explore trade options on everyone and only make a deal that is good for us. If there even is one to make.

[Curmudgeon]

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What happened to the board's interest in Capela? Can't the Cs still go after him? Might be a cheaper option? It feels like Turner is Capela 2020.

Id rather have DeWayne Dedmon. Cheap, shoots the 3 ball. Decent defender.