Trade Ideas Thread

[ddb]

On Turner, I feel like he has a little bit of "college Jaylen Brown" syndrome about him. He plays in a system where neither side of the ball is optimized for what he does. He has to play the 4 because Sabonis can't guard the perimeter, he has to do nothing but space to the corner on offense because again IND has Sabonis operating out of the block. I think if you put him in the Theis role where he plays 100% of his minutes at center with 3+ perimeters defenders funneling guys into his rim protection he could be incredible. On offense he provides more spacing than Theis, while having SO MUCH MORE room down low than he does playing with Sabonis.

Another way of thinking about it a reverse Horford. How much worse does Al look after going from playing center on the C's to playing out of position at the 4 on a team that not optimized for his talents? That may be Turner right now.

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[Disinformation]

I would rather have Horford back than Turner.

I think you just "lost" the debate with this one. You had some interesting points but this claim shows you're simply biased against Turner for some reason.

[ddb]

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What happened to the board's interest in Capela? Can't the Cs still go after him? Might be a cheaper option? It feels like Turner is Capela 2020.

Id rather have DeWayne Dedmon. Cheap, shoots the 3 ball. Decent defender.

well geez might as well just keep Theis as the starter.

[bisme37]

The thing about Turner is he's not "good" or "bad" as much as he's inconsistent. And the "meh" overall stats reflect that. When I watch a Pacers game it feels like I can tell if he's going to have a good game or bad game in the first few minutes. When he's engaged and has a bounce in his step he's quite impactful on both ends. But then the next game you don't even notice he's on the court.

So the question is... does he just naturally lack competitiveness and motivation on his own and nothing can really be done about it? Or is the inconsistency more a function of his inconsistent role on the Pacers and frustration due to that?

He seems like a smart kid and fits into out timeline and fits our needs on paper. I'm pretty interested. I just hope we don't trade for him and end up hating him after a month. But I'm optimistic he would be a good Celtic.

Uncle Jeff 2.0

Wonder what kind of drugs Turner is on if not benzos

I see the similarity but keep in mind we were asking Jeff to be our default #1 option when we weren't paying him like a #1 option and he simply wasn't and isn't a #1 option.

All Turner has to do on this team is play some defense and hit some open shots.

[Bleeding Green]

The Celtics already have Capela on the roster. His name is Robert Williams. Just a matter of which risk you want to take: the risk that WIlliams can never stay healthy or the risk that you trade some assets for Capela who makes 19 million a year.

[BK_2020]

I would rather have Horford back than Turner.

I think you just "lost" the debate with this one. You had some interesting points but this claim shows you're simply biased against Turner for some reason.

Just an overreaction to people overrating Turner. Doesn't change the fact which the stats plainly show, namely Turner is an indifferent defender whose main value is spot-up shooting on low volume. Basically he's a taller version of Semi.

[ConstableGeneva]

Oh, I'm all-in on Robert Williams at this point. That's why I'm lukewarm about all these trade scenarios for Turner and whoever non-top 5 big is out there.

Work on Timelord all offseason, whenever that is. I want him to win the starter spot in training camp, whenever that is.

[djFan71]

Oh, I'm all-in on Robert Williams at this point. That's why I'm lukewarm about all these trade scenarios for Turner and whoever non-top 5 big is out there.

Work on Timelord all offseason, whenever that is. I want him to win the starter spot in training camp, whenever that is.

This is me too. I don't want to overreact to the playoffs and think we're a big away from a title. I'll throw out 73 trades a day, but ultimately:

Healthy Hayward.
Improved WIlliamses.
3&D wings and/or switchable bigs from the draft (Beys, Paul Reed, Precious, trade up for Okongwu, etc)
Exception vet or small trade for a 3rd string PG with a shot.
Healthy & playoff experienced Kemba.

We're in really good shape if all/most of that happens.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Oh, I'm all-in on Robert Williams at this point. That's why I'm lukewarm about all these trade scenarios for Turner and whoever non-top 5 big is out there.

Work on Timelord all offseason, whenever that is. I want him to win the starter spot in training camp, whenever that is.

Fully agree here. He has all the tools we’d want in a big. He just needs steady PT to grow. IMO, we should be giving him 20+ minutes a night, regardless of how he’s playing, to see if he sinks or swims. His combination of height/athleticism/passing vision is too rare to try to not foster further.

[100proof]

Hayward to Dallas for THJ, Wright, #18 and #31

Wright, Poirier, Edwards, #18, #26, #31 to Detroit

THJ, Snell, #7 to Boston

#7-Haliburton
#14 - Jaylen Smith
#30 - Joe, McDaniels, Ramsey

MLE on a vet PG

Kemba/#7 - Haliburton/ MLE -
Smart/THJ/Romeo
Brown/Snell/#30
Tatum/#14 - Smith/GrantW
Theis/Kanter/Timelord

[CelticFaninLBC]

While we're cherry picking stats, in 2018-19 Turner was 1st in Block %, 5th in Defensive Ratings and 7th in Defensive Win Shares. Al Horford's not even in the top 20, and is 10 years old and $9 million more expensive, per year, than Turner.

[100proof]

Oh, I'm all-in on Robert Williams at this point. That's why I'm lukewarm about all these trade scenarios for Turner and whoever non-top 5 big is out there.

Work on Timelord all offseason, whenever that is. I want him to win the starter spot in training camp, whenever that is.

Fully agree here. He has all the tools we’d want in a big. He just needs steady PT to grow. IMO, we should be giving him 20+ minutes a night, regardless of how he’s playing, to see if he sinks or swims. His combination of height/athleticism/passing vision is too rare to try to not foster further.

He stops fouling everything and learns a jump shot he can be a special player.

[100proof]

Watch on YouTube

Just sayin

really wish he would have been used more in the playoffs.

[ConstableGeneva]

Oh, I'm all-in on Robert Williams at this point. That's why I'm lukewarm about all these trade scenarios for Turner and whoever non-top 5 big is out there.

Work on Timelord all offseason, whenever that is. I want him to win the starter spot in training camp, whenever that is.

Fully agree here. He has all the tools we’d want in a big. He just needs steady PT to grow. IMO, we should be giving him 20+ minutes a night, regardless of how he’s playing, to see if he sinks or swims. His combination of height/athleticism/passing vision is too rare to try to not foster further.

He stops fouling everything and learns a jump shot he can be a special player.

He has to learn and execute on the defensive side of the floor.

Even without a jump shot, he's already more than serviceable on offense. Very low usage, very high efficiency big is exactly what we need to complement our high usage wings and Kemba.

He's in his third year. We need to find out what we have in him before investing in a high-salary big. Unless the plan is to keep his value low until his next contract? Then as soon as his cheapo post-rookie contract is signed, he explodes!

Trading for Turner, Vucevic, or whoever else will just block his development. Let go of Kanter and play Timelord more minutes. Bam was already averaging 20+ mins in his 2nd year and 30+ mins in his 3rd year. Gobert was the same. Capela's minutes per year increased gradually but was around 24 mpg in his 3rd year.

[albas89]

Oh, I'm all-in on Robert Williams at this point. That's why I'm lukewarm about all these trade scenarios for Turner and whoever non-top 5 big is out there.

Work on Timelord all offseason, whenever that is. I want him to win the starter spot in training camp, whenever that is.

Fully agree here. He has all the tools we’d want in a big. He just needs steady PT to grow. IMO, we should be giving him 20+ minutes a night, regardless of how he’s playing, to see if he sinks or swims. His combination of height/athleticism/passing vision is too rare to try to not foster further.

I am all-in on Rob as well. I don't understand why Stevens seems to have such a tiny leash on him - and I am not talking about playoffs where mistakes cost dearly, he had no patience with him even during the season (even though, to be fair, during the season Timelord was not good most of the times).

His height is the only non-fixable issue imo, he's only 6'8". I know his ridiculous athletic ability makes him "play" taller than he really is, but against equally gifted athletic guys like Bam, and huge guys like Embiid, this effect is neutrilized. He needs to add a little muscle to compensate for that. Other than that, I think with PT and hard work he will be able to fix the known holes of his game.

[100proof]

Oh, I'm all-in on Robert Williams at this point. That's why I'm lukewarm about all these trade scenarios for Turner and whoever non-top 5 big is out there.

Work on Timelord all offseason, whenever that is. I want him to win the starter spot in training camp, whenever that is.

Fully agree here. He has all the tools we’d want in a big. He just needs steady PT to grow. IMO, we should be giving him 20+ minutes a night, regardless of how he’s playing, to see if he sinks or swims. His combination of height/athleticism/passing vision is too rare to try to not foster further.

I am all-in on Rob as well. I don't understand why Stevens seems to have such a tiny leash on him - and I am not talking about playoffs where mistakes cost dearly, he had no patience with him even during the season (even though, to be fair, during the season Timelord was not good most of the times).

His height is the only non-fixable issue imo, he's only 6'8". I know his ridiculous athletic ability makes him "play" taller than he really is, but against equally gifted athletic guys like Bam this effect is neutrilized. He needs to add a little muscle to compensate for that. Other than that, I think with PT and hard work he will be able to fix the known holes of his game.

the 7'5" wingspan helps him play bigger as well.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Oh, I'm all-in on Robert Williams at this point. That's why I'm lukewarm about all these trade scenarios for Turner and whoever non-top 5 big is out there.

Work on Timelord all offseason, whenever that is. I want him to win the starter spot in training camp, whenever that is.

Fully agree here. He has all the tools we’d want in a big. He just needs steady PT to grow. IMO, we should be giving him 20+ minutes a night, regardless of how he’s playing, to see if he sinks or swims. His combination of height/athleticism/passing vision is too rare to try to not foster further.

I am all-in on Rob as well. I don't understand why Stevens seems to have such a tiny leash on him - and I am not talking about playoffs where mistakes cost dearly, he had no patience with him even during the season (even though, to be fair, during the season Timelord was not good most of the times).

His height is the only non-fixable issue imo, he's only 6'8". I know his ridiculous athletic ability makes him "play" taller than he really is, but against equally gifted athletic guys like Bam, and huge guys like Embiid, this effect is neutrilized. He needs to add a little muscle to compensate for that. Other than that, I think with PT and hard work he will be able to fix the known holes of his game.

If both he and Kanter were going to make defensive mistake, Stevens preferred Kanter for what he did on offense. Personally? I disagree heavily with that logic, but thats why it happened.

[MagicBagley18]

It literally just happened with AD’s dad bring up us trading IT.....a year ago

Yep, and given all the PR we’ve spun regarding his locker room presence, there is ZERO chance we trade him. Its just an impossibly bad look.

Ok so one players dad. Anyone else? So we are not going to make whatever moves are good for the team due to PR? Thats nonsense. the IT trade was bad PR and as a fan it really hurt to lose him. But it was the right move. This PR narrative is over blown. I think we will sell out games when the arenas open up. I really don't think a player is going to scorn us if we trade Kemba. Kemba chose to leave the Hornets because it was a good move for him. We can make good moves for us. Anyways, agree to disagree I guess. I don't see us convincing each other.

Also, I'd not in the "We need to trade Kemba" camp. I do think he was exposed in the playoffs and there is reason to think that his playoff play will never be as good as his regular season play. But maybe he was hurt and won't be later. Maybe it was just a few flukes. In any event, Danny will explore trade options on everyone and only make a deal that is good for us. If there even is one to make.

It’s not even about just players....it’s about agents and relationships. Jeff Schwartz pushes clients here- he was pushing k love here (before cavs) he had Blake open to Boston and he was huge in making kemba sign here without even taking visits elsewhere. You don’t ruin relationships like that in the nba for no reason.

If kemba was absolutely horrible and or there was a no brainer trade where u just can’t turn it down or a deal where it’s a win for kemba and a win for Boston then u do it but to just trade him after he still had a good year and was huge for the teams chemistry is terrible business.....screw pr and selling out games.

Danny will make a deal for anyone but those deals won’t include kemba because overall kemba still played good and fit what brad likes, a score first pg who can score in bunches.

And yes....AD was the only person to bring up IT but he was also the first huge superstar we went after, after that trade. Ultimately we didn’t get ad because of klutch but It literally came up publicly the very next huge deal we tried to make.

[MagicBagley18]

Oh, I'm all-in on Robert Williams at this point. That's why I'm lukewarm about all these trade scenarios for Turner and whoever non-top 5 big is out there.

Work on Timelord all offseason, whenever that is. I want him to win the starter spot in training camp, whenever that is.

Fully agree here. He has all the tools we’d want in a big. He just needs steady PT to grow. IMO, we should be giving him 20+ minutes a night, regardless of how he’s playing, to see if he sinks or swims. His combination of height/athleticism/passing vision is too rare to try to not foster further.

I’m in on Williams development and yes ideally that’s what is best for us but I have serious questions about him holding up for 82 games ever and also he can still develop if his role goes from 13 minutes a game to 20 as the first big off the bench- assuming theis is moved.

The turner deal to me gets you away from Hayward and gets us an asset back with a movable contract while also being a position of need and a player that still has upside which may come out in a new scenario.

If he works....great or if he comes and is the same as Indiana turner and Williams looks like the clear better player and has made a leap he’s another asset in a trade package to improve the roster down the road, now you have a brown/turner duo in a deal.

[playa-hater]

Spoiler:

My dream, but realistic trade scenarios. So many Trade idea's out there, Biggest offseason I can remember.. so close yet we have to get this right (Ainge and Stevens that is)

Trade with 2 parts..

1st. Trade Marcus Smart for John Collins straight up.. Reasons - Smart is one of our Core defenders and makes our Team defense Go.. He has great spirit and competitiveness. But he is sometimes a walking disaster with his need to go into Curry or Klay mode.. getting J Collins, who is a perfect fit as a modern day 4 or 5 man.. He shoots well, rebounds and plays defense like a savage. He can spot up or Roll or PNRs and won't demand the ball/take it out of Tatum's and Brown's hands. THAT IS SOMETIMES so overlooked when talking about good team chemistry. Smart's value is at it's highest at the moment and Atlanta could use a player of tat caliper.. I am aware Collins has one year left, but resigning him should be a No brainer..

2nd - Trade our beloved but Cursed G Hayward, Romeo Langford and our 30th pick for Myles Turner + J Lamb (salaries close) Why we do it, Indiana gets a local star who may fit in perfectly for them, But with 1 year left, if he doesn't work out, can shed 32 Million of salary. and Young local star Romeo Langford, in case Indiana wants to rebuild young. I threw in the 30th as Indiana may need more incentive (no 1st) and 2nd if necassary.. I am thinking the market may be good IF M Turner goes on the trade block..

For Boston having a starting lineup of:

Kemba PG - J Brown SG - J Tatum SF - J Collins -PF M Turner C.. That line-up has ALL 5 players who can shoot and score and play good-great defense (except Kemba on defense.) But then Boston can use 14 and 26 to add any quality Wing and/or PG

14 - S Bey, Pat Williams, A Nesmith/ or Kira Lewis, R Hampton, Cole Anthony, T Terry, Ty Maxey
and

26 - Paul Reed, D Bane, J Ramsey, J Green, J McDaniels, Theo Maledon, Poku.

2nd Unit - so many combinations, but would have Theis, Grant Williams, J Lamb and any 2 combinations of young talent to rotate with multiple switchable offensive and defensive players..

Conclusions- a very timeline friendly- chemistry and switchable lineup with youth and talent that could compete for years IMO..

any thoughts opinions??

IND fans seem opposed to Turner for Hayward. Which, sure fans. But, even the financials are tough. I went thru it with one of their guys on the T&T board. Basically, your trade as is pushes them to the lux tax once they fill out the roster. So, you say, great dump Leaf or McDermott on us too, or something. But, they still have to replace them with vet mins and now they've lost 3 or 4 useful players for just an expiring, injury risk Hayward. So, it becomes less attractive.

keeping in mind Boston giving a 1st and a 2nd for an 1 year expiring contract helps bit. throw in R Williams low contract if that helps, since Brad doesn't have any faith in him..