Oladipo Trade Ideas

[boomershadow]

Via The Athletic:

Hayward won’t be opting out of his contract unless he has a long-term extension in place, which will be hard for a 30-year-old with a concerning injury history. Indiana is still home for the Haywards, and with Victor Oladipo looking to move on this offseason, according to sources, and Myles Turner possibly in the same boat, there could be an opportunity for Ainge to move Hayward and the abundance of draft picks in his war chest in a mutually agreeable way. Boston won’t have cap space again with three stars locked up long-term, so moving Hayward or Marcus Smart presents one of the few opportunities to get back a player making starter-caliber money.

https://theathletic.com/2094389/2020/09/27/celtics-eliminated-but-still-have-promising-future/

Although the Hayward for Dipo deal makes absolutely zero sense. For both sides really.

It's just the Celtics writer trying to console himself by fantasizing about a Hayward + fillers for Oladipo + Turner deal

I would maybe consider Hayward for Vic/Lamb. Not Turner, though.

[Wizop]

Grant wouldn’t have interest here unless we also deal Turner. I don’t think he’s signing long term to be a backup again.

Wouldn't have to be backup. Warren and Grant could start as wings with Brogdon and the two bigs. When Sabonis rests at 6 minutes, Grant moves to 4.

Boy. That would be a major zag when everyone else expects us to zig and play smaller. People tell us we should deal Turner and play Warren at the 4, and instead, WE GO BIGGER AND PLAY WARREN AT THE 2!

Either way, doubt he agrees to sign to play out of position at the 3, or off the bench as the 4. I would think he’s looking for a starting spot at his preferred 4.

He's a 3 in Denver and if we go back to a Vogel type system 2 and 3 are interchangeable. I like a 1-2-2. But Grant isn't going anywhere. Nor is Porter Jr. So far the best deal I see is for a Boston draft pick as they have too many to use in one year.

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[Scoot McGroot]

Wouldn't have to be backup. Warren and Grant could start as wings with Brogdon and the two bigs. When Sabonis rests at 6 minutes, Grant moves to 4.

Boy. That would be a major zag when everyone else expects us to zig and play smaller. People tell us we should deal Turner and play Warren at the 4, and instead, WE GO BIGGER AND PLAY WARREN AT THE 2!

Either way, doubt he agrees to sign to play out of position at the 3, or off the bench as the 4. I would think he’s looking for a starting spot at his preferred 4.

He's a 3 in Denver and if we go back to a Vogel type system 2 and 3 are interchangeable. I like a 1-2-2. But Grant isn't going anywhere. Nor is Porter Jr. So far the best deal I see is for a Boston draft pick as they have too many to use in one year.

Sent from my phone.

He’s primarily a 4 there but would be looking elsewhere because he has to keep playing large minutes at the 3, as he’s had to with Millsap/Porter.

[fbalmeida]

Just tossing an idea out there: what would you gentlemen think about:

Ibaka (sign and trade +/- 25 M) + Powell + Davis + stuff for Oladipo and Turner, presuming that both players have indeed requested trades.

[Scoot McGroot]

Just tossing an idea out there: what would you gentlemen think about:

Ibaka (sign and trade +/- 25 M) + Powell + Davis + stuff for Oladipo and Turner, presuming that both players have indeed requested trades.

I’d think it’s better that we look for long term deals that help us rather than try and narrow our window with lesser talent.

And neither player has requested a trade. That’s joy what Weiss reported that the Wiretap misreported.

If you want both Oladipo and Turner, it’d likely require a Siakam trade, or OG/Powell plus picks.

[Wizop]

If you want both Oladipo and Turner, it’d likely require a Siakam trade, or OG/Powell plus picks.

I would want Siakam or OG for Oladipo alone. adding Turner wouldn't work for me unless we got both and more back.

[fbalmeida]

Naturally any sort of deal remotely close to the ballpark I've suggested there would presume that there have indeed been trade requests. If neither desire to leave the Pacers, there isn't even a conversation to be had. OG and Siakam are essentially untouchable assets for Masai.

[Scoot McGroot]

Naturally any sort of deal remotely close to the ballpark I've suggested there would presume that there have indeed been trade requests. If neither desire to leave the Pacers, there isn't even a conversation to be had. OG and Siakam are essentially untouchable assets for Masai.

If they’d request trades, your offer would still be much lower than what we’d likely be receiving from other teams.

[fbalmeida]

Naturally any sort of deal remotely close to the ballpark I've suggested there would presume that there have indeed been trade requests. If neither desire to leave the Pacers, there isn't even a conversation to be had. OG and Siakam are essentially untouchable assets for Masai.

If they’d request trades, your offer would still be much lower than what we’d likely be receiving from other teams.

Perhaps, but after looking around, I think maybe only the Rockets would be in the hunt for a big, while having enticing enough assets. The Celtics could use Turner but their only movable piece, Hayward, has a ridiculous contract.

[Scoot McGroot]

Naturally any sort of deal remotely close to the ballpark I've suggested there would presume that there have indeed been trade requests. If neither desire to leave the Pacers, there isn't even a conversation to be had. OG and Siakam are essentially untouchable assets for Masai.

If they’d request trades, your offer would still be much lower than what we’d likely be receiving from other teams.

Perhaps, but after looking around, I think maybe only the Rockets would be in the hunt for a big, while having enticing enough assets. The Celtics could use Turner but their only movable piece, Hayward, has a ridiculous contract.

Only 3 teams in the league might have interest on a stretch 5 that can also play the 4?

[fbalmeida]

If they’d request trades, your offer would still be much lower than what we’d likely be receiving from other teams.

Perhaps, but after looking around, I think maybe only the Rockets would be in the hunt for a big, while having enticing enough assets. The Celtics could use Turner but their only movable piece, Hayward, has a ridiculous contract.

Only 3 teams in the league might have interest on a stretch 5 that can also play the 4?

No, but only three teams are currently lacking one while having interesting tradable assets. Charlotte could certainly use a big that could can space the floor, but I don't think they have the assets (they'd be willing to move) to even start a conversation with the Pacers.

[Scoot McGroot]

Perhaps, but after looking around, I think maybe only the Rockets would be in the hunt for a big, while having enticing enough assets. The Celtics could use Turner but their only movable piece, Hayward, has a ridiculous contract.

Only 3 teams in the league might have interest on a stretch 5 that can also play the 4?

No, but only three teams are currently lacking one while having interesting tradable assets. Charlotte could certainly use a big that could can space the floor, but I don't think they have the assets (they'd be willing to move) to even start a conversation with the Pacers.

Charlotte, GS, Minnesota could use a stretch 4 that Myles has shown he can play. Portland is looking for a stretch 4 like Myles. Brooklyn, Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, LAC, NY, OKc, Sacramento, San Antonio, and Washington, in addition to the 3 you listed. And if Utah loves Gobert, they’d likely look for a Myles. So, we’ve got about 17-18 teams that could value or make use of Myles. At a glance.

[zimpy27]

Naturally any sort of deal remotely close to the ballpark I've suggested there would presume that there have indeed been trade requests. If neither desire to leave the Pacers, there isn't even a conversation to be had. OG and Siakam are essentially untouchable assets for Masai.

OG is probably untouchable because of his contract size and finishing date.
Siakam is definitely tradeable, as soon as he got the max he became a cap space hog for a team hoping to work under the cap to open a slot for Giannis in 2021.

[fbalmeida]

At a glance:

Charlotte doesn't have the assets.
GS can't match anyone they'd be willing to part with while being of value to the Pacers with Turner's contract.
The Twolves don't have the assets or contracts.
Blazers don't have the assets.
Brooklyn could offer Dinwiddie and stuff, but I think Powell + Davis would be far more attractive.
The Bulls are loaded with youth at the 4 and 5 and seem committed to Markkanen.
Dallas is better off with Kleber and Kristaps.
Pistons don't have the contracts or assets to match.
Clippers laughably don't have the assets.
Knicks have a bunch of movable assets but they are nearly all PFs
OKC could move Schroeder but Turner is probably a bad pairing at the 4 with Adams.
Sacramento is probably aptly stocked at the 4 and 5 with Bagley, Holmes, and Barnes.
Washington is likely sticking with Hachimura and Bryant at the 4 and 5.

Still very preliminary, but we're left with the Rockets and Raptors, in my opinion as realistic trade partners.

[Wizop]

At a glance:
Knicks have a bunch of movable assets but they are nearly all PFs

but if we stop talking about moving Turner (or Sabonis) and stick with the topic, a backup 4 is exactly what the Pacers need to play when Turner or Sabonis is resting, hurt, or in foul trouble. and if what Oladipo wants is the publicity of a big market, NYC has to be on his list. Pacers might want to trade a backup for a backup though.

[Topofthekey]

Naturally any sort of deal remotely close to the ballpark I've suggested there would presume that there have indeed been trade requests. If neither desire to leave the Pacers, there isn't even a conversation to be had. OG and Siakam are essentially untouchable assets for Masai.

Is Siakam's performance in the playoffs just an anomaly, or is it a new trajectory for him?

He started the season red hot in 2019, but I think his performance cooled off somewhat in 2020, and was down right alarming in the playoffs

Agreed on OG though, him being on a rookie contract and showing a tonne of promise, though I don't think he's untouchable if the right trade comes along

[fbalmeida]

Naturally any sort of deal remotely close to the ballpark I've suggested there would presume that there have indeed been trade requests. If neither desire to leave the Pacers, there isn't even a conversation to be had. OG and Siakam are essentially untouchable assets for Masai.

Is Siakam's performance in the playoffs just an anomaly, or is it a new trajectory for him?

He started the season red hot in 2019, but I think his performance cooled off somewhat in 2020, and was down right alarming in the playoffs

Agreed on OG though, him being on a rookie contract and showing a tonne of promise, though I don't think he's untouchable if the right trade comes along

All indicators point to Siakam's offensive collapse (his defence remained fantastic) being an anomalous confluence of two factors IMO: the effect of the lockdown on his mechanics in tandem with the added mental pressure as the primary scoring option.

His late start with basketball means his developmental trajectory has been completely atypical. So rather than having a polished shot that he's worked on since his childhood, he's had to work extra hard on his mechanics, offsetting this with his athleticism and herculean work ethic. Living in a condo in Toronto during the covid-19 lockdown, he was actually unable to get up shots for three straight months. This led to the loss of shot consistency and a struggle to regain it. For comparison, a guy like Matt Thomas, who's shot is flawless, was unable to pick up his form much faster and with greater consistency. So suddenly what was a rather smooth and stable shooting form, morphed into a shot where his guiding hand was shifting all over the place from shot to shot in the bubble games.

Then the mental part: this loss of confidence with the restart in the bubble, led to him shooting less, cutting his 3pa in half on miserable efficiency rates. Statistically, on offence, he became inferior to Rondae Hollis-Jefferson.

The lockdown and bubble set him back to numbers that basically match his sophomore year numbers, where he was a net positive playing 20 minutes off the bench, despite being an offensive liability.

Word is that he's been in the gym, obsessively working. Last off-season, coming off the championship, he doubled the volume of the development assignments he was given. I'd expect him to come back with a vengeance.

[reflex35]

People who think that Raptors will give up Siakam for the damaged goods like Oladipo or for "I don't believe in myself" TURNER are crazy.

Not going to happen for one or for another or for the combination of both.

[Scoot McGroot]

People who think that Raptors will give up Siakam for the damaged goods like Oladipo or for "I don't believe in myself" TURNER are crazy.

Not going to happen for one or for another or for the combination of both.

You mean the Raptors fans that are visiting? We certainly didn’t pitch it.

[fbalmeida]

People who think that Raptors will give up Siakam for the damaged goods like Oladipo or for "I don't believe in myself" TURNER are crazy.

Not going to happen for one or for another or for the combination of both.

You mean the Raptors fans that are visiting? We certainly didn’t pitch it.

Nope. It was Wizop and Scoot McGroot that brought up Siakam.

Adding up all the factors: wants to leave, last year of contract, and questionable health, I think the returns for Dipo will likely be initially disappointing to the fanbase.